republican convention

[Reise]

you are rather stupid you dont know how much easier would it be for criminal organizations to get their hands on them if they were legal

a normal person doesnt need an ak47 to protect himself/herself ......

Let me stop you right here.

I find it odd that you think this. Of course it'd be easier for criminals to get guns, but we're talking about automatic weapons. Right now the ban is still lifted, and to legally own an AK47, fully automatic, comes with a $500 yearly tax and tons of ATF paperwork. So to legally own a modern automatic weapon, the ATF and the government has your background, your taxes, and the right to search your premises with a week or so notice.

So, even with current laws, most criminals cannot legally purchase an AK47. In fact, I think if you've been convicted of a felony at all you can't own most guns. Check the ATF site if you need details.

Now, on the flip-side: Criminals with access to these kinds of weapons (no doubt illegally!) will still be getting them, with no consequence from authorities. Bans or not. They will still be breaking into your house, with that AK47, and you will be defenseless because you either didn't have the money to afford a modern rifle, or because you farked around as a teenager and ran from the cops while you were drunk one night. Now your family is dead and your life is ruined because you couldn't defend yourself.

I believe there was a saying: "When owning a gun becomes illegal, only the outlaws will be armed"

I understand this is an extreme example, but it's still a realistic one nonetheless. There's plenty of reasons to own modern weapons like the AK47, most people just don't see them until it's too late.

[John_Doe]

+1 Reise

[IguanaRampage]

People tend to forget that Mccain is like another bush! And i really dont like his VP. The only thing they keep saying against obama is that he is inexperienced. No one can really be experienced for being president for the first time.

this is true. but i fear to many ppl are going to vote for obama just because he is black or because he gives a good speach. but what will he do for us? im not sure of that. good thing i cant vote, my 18bday is in may. i have to wait till next one ><

There are so many people voting against Obama because he's black... you have no idea. I'm a volunteer in Obama's campaign (I make phone calls), and there are way too many people who attempt to cover up their deeply-rooted racism (when they are racist it's really pretty obvious) by saying that McCain is "experienced" and that Obama is "vague" and "non-specific". They also voice financial concerns ---- they say that Obama won't be able to pay for his healthcare plan, for example. They have no idea how much money the war in Iraq costs, and think that somehow McCain's "experience" will create a better economy. Personally I think they could not be more mistaken.

History says whenever government makes illegal something that isn't criminal, criminals are created. Few examples: The failed war on drugs, the prohibition, and the numerous gun laws that are brought upon us for absolutely absurd reasons. Have we ever seen a decrease in crime when government tries to criminalize certain civil rights? No, we have always, and still do see an increase. A few bad people is not a good reason to punish the whole.

I happen to mostly agree with you. Gun prohibition laws would be difficult to make viable in America. However, look at other countries --- Canada for example. States in Canada have less than 1/50 the homicide that Oakland experiences annually. In Oakland a lot of homicides are about domestic disputes, things that might not be considered "criminal," though they lead to murder. Many of these COULD be prevented by gun control laws. Look at Detroit, and at Baltimore as well. Sure many murders in these cities would not be affected by gun control laws, but many would, and I think certain laws prohibiting hand guns could be useful. We will see an increase if guns are banned outright, but there are many, many other ways to further restrict gun usage.

[Reise]

Edit: Know what, I don't want to birdwalk off topic too much more.

[dom]

you are rather stupid you dont know how much easier would it be for criminal organizations to get their hands on them if they were legal

a normal person doesnt need an ak47 to protect himself/herself ......

Let me stop you right here.

I find it odd that you think this. Of course it'd be easier for criminals to get guns, but we're talking about automatic weapons. Right now the ban is still lifted, and to legally own an AK47, fully automatic, comes with a $500 yearly tax and tons of ATF paperwork. So to legally own a modern automatic weapon, the ATF and the government has your background, your taxes, and the right to search your premises with a week or so notice.

So, even with current laws, most criminals cannot legally purchase an AK47. In fact, I think if you've been convicted of a felony at all you can't own most guns. Check the ATF site if you need details.

Now, on the flip-side: Criminals with access to these kinds of weapons (no doubt illegally!) will still be getting them, with no consequence from authorities. Bans or not. They will still be breaking into your house, with that AK47, and you will be defenseless because you either didn't have the money to afford a modern rifle, or because you farked around as a teenager and ran from the cops while you were drunk one night. Now your family is dead and your life is ruined because you couldn't defend yourself.

I believe there was a saying: "When owning a gun becomes illegal, only the outlaws will be armed"

I understand this is an extreme example, but it's still a realistic one nonetheless. There's plenty of reasons to own modern weapons like the AK47, most people just don't see them until it's too late.

+1

I don't care for guns, but all that strict gun legislation (and resulting federal registration programs) has done in Canada is cost tax payers loads of money and do nothing for violent crime rates.

[Jstar1]

the chance that someone will break into your house with an ak-47 is so low its laughable. Unless your living in the wrong part of chicago or detroit, the chances that someone will come into your house wielding an ak-47 is low. And why should criminals break into your house to confront you and your handgun/rifle/machinegun? So they can get shot and killed? They would rather sneak in while your sleeping and loot the whole place.

The scenario that someone will break into your house with a gun and you have a rifle right by you so you can start some western-style shootout is really something gun owners only wish for so they can make their case.

[dom]

the chance that someone will break into your house with an ak-47 is so low its laughable. Unless your living in the wrong part of chicago or detroit, the chances that someone will come into your house wielding an ak-47 is low. And why should criminals break into your house to confront you and your handgun/rifle/machinegun? So they can get shot and killed? They would rather sneak in while your sleeping and loot the whole place.

The scenario that someone will break into your house with a gun and you have a rifle right by you so you can start some western-style shootout is really something gun owners only wish for so they can make their case.

Add to that the fact that people who are guilty of "minor" crimes like that are most often poor, live in areas without jobs, violent neighborhoods, etc. The people who carry around an ak-47 aren't the same people that rob a store for a couple hundred dollars.

The people that carry around ak-47s are the same people that manage to smuggle in illegal immigrants and drugs. Whether you ban assault rifles or not, those people will manage to bring them in.

The money that it would cost to maintain and regulate a ban on assault rifles would better be spent improving social conditions for people from bad neighborhoods; that would better help with lowering crime rates.

[Barotix]

People like J never want to go to the root of the problems. Break. The. Root.

[Jstar1]

The money that it would cost to maintain and regulate a ban on assault rifles would better be spent improving social conditions for people from bad neighborhoods; that would better help with lowering crime rates.

yes..that is a good idea

[Love]

you are rather stupid you dont know how much easier would it be for criminal organizations to get their hands on them if they were legal

a normal person doesnt need an ak47 to protect himself/herself ......

Let me stop you right here.

I find it odd that you think this. Of course it'd be easier for criminals to get guns, but we're talking about automatic weapons. Right now the ban is still lifted, and to legally own an AK47, fully automatic, comes with a $500 yearly tax and tons of ATF paperwork. So to legally own a modern automatic weapon, the ATF and the government has your background, your taxes, and the right to search your premises with a week or so notice.

So, even with current laws, most criminals cannot legally purchase an AK47. In fact, I think if you've been convicted of a felony at all you can't own most guns. Check the ATF site if you need details.

Now, on the flip-side: Criminals with access to these kinds of weapons (no doubt illegally!) will still be getting them, with no consequence from authorities. Bans or not. They will still be breaking into your house, with that AK47, and you will be defenseless because you either didn't have the money to afford a modern rifle, or because you farked around as a teenager and ran from the cops while you were drunk one night. Now your family is dead and your life is ruined because you couldn't defend yourself.

I believe there was a saying: "When owning a gun becomes illegal, only the outlaws will be armed"

I understand this is an extreme example, but it's still a realistic one nonetheless. There's plenty of reasons to own modern weapons like the AK47, most people just don't see them until it's too late.

you seem to be more informed about this than myself but is a fact that when more of this weapons are in the open criminals have a much easier time getting their hands on them. this becomes more true to low profile criminals as big organized groups can illegally get them if they are determined regardless

and about protecting your family, in a real armed confrontation fire will be exchange and one of you if not both will drop in the spot, this isnt some video game or movie in wish you will be running around your house hiding behind walls, the handgun will as easily pierce that wood/paper wall as the AK47, weapons are extremely good at what they do if you are hit by either one you will die and you will die fast and there is nothing stopping that

[Barotix]

you seem to be more informed about this than myself but is a fact that when more of this weapons are in the open criminals have a much easier time getting their hands on them.

I would like to see a convicted felon get his hands on an automatic weapon legally.

[l05tfr33k7]

come on people...going too off topic here. republican convention --> palin --> obama, economy, etc. --> obama v. mccain --> gun control?

[Blurred]

come on people...going too off topic here. republican convention --> palin --> obama, economy, etc. --> obama v. mccain --> gun control?

lol i know... But i love debates...

Right now obama is loosing on the polls

McCain 48%
Obama: 45% (or 42%)

Or something like that.

[Barotix]

come on people...going too off topic here. republican convention --> palin --> obama, economy, etc. --> obama v. mccain --> gun control?

lol i know... But i love debates...

Right now obama is loosing on the polls

McCain 48%
Obama: 45% (or 42%)

Or something like that.

Fuck the polls.

[Homie]

http://surfthechannel.com/info/televisi ... /S3E9.html

[John_Doe]

you seem to be more informed about this than myself but is a fact that when more of this weapons are in the open criminals have a much easier time getting their hands on them.

I would like to see a convicted felon get his hands on an automatic weapon legally.

+1 lol as long as it is a good debate.

[Reise]

http://surfthechannel.com/info/television/Penn_%26_Teller%3A_Bullshit%21/87659/S3E9.html

Says it better than I ever could.

[Foilin]

Wow that video was amazing! Totally correct in every way, those who dissagre should watch it.