republican convention

[MiKe 51-50]

and mccain agrees with bush 90% of the time....so it's like voting bush in 4 more years...Mccain wants to continue to spent 10 billion dollars a year on a war for oil.
While Obama wants to stop the war and invest in renewable power sources.

Loled. Have you checked the man's voting record?
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_categor ... =9&go.y=11
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_categor ... 16&go.y=13

Yeah, he's sure going to preserve our civil liberties and stop engaging in pointless wars.
In the words of the great Asyamura:

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You have 2 choice in this elections.

Obama / Biden =
Occidental College - two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude
&
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

Versus

McCain / Palin
United States Naval Academy - class rank 894 of 899
&
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

Which do you actually want running your country?

[Barotix]

Neither. I'll just wade through the next 4 years. If the choice comes down to two men that will strip us of our liberties, one intelligent, and one unintelligent I will support neither candidate. Hopefully in those 4 years who ever is in office will come to their senses and do what is necessary to recover this nation's pride and economy because as it stands now they are both inadequate choices that will strip us of our rights and liberties to fight an invisible enemy that has been fabricated to control every aspect of our lives. If America were smarter, IF AMERICA WERE SMARTER. It would NOT be a choice of "lesser evils."

[Reise]

United States Naval Academy - class rank 894 of 899

lol

I like how if someone served in the military and is in politics afterward, he's instantly recognized as a hero and example of the highest patriotism. Dude barely made it into the Navy.

[Barotix]

United States Naval Academy - class rank 894 of 899

lol

I like how if someone served in the military and is in politics afterward, he's instantly recognized as a hero and example of the highest patriotism. Dude barely made it into the Navy.

It's really sad. :[

[l05tfr33k7]

If America were smarter, IF AMERICA WERE SMARTER. It would NOT be a choice of "lesser evils."

Exactly.

It's too fucking bad that the young vote for Obama because they tend to get swayed by charisma and stuff, and the uneducated mainly get swayed by McCain.

Btw i heard Ron Pual is announcing something major next week.
Too bad that even if he decides to go third party or endorse some other guys, wouldnt make a difference cause there just aren't enough supporters. its either Obama or McCain.

[Foilin]

If America were smarter, IF AMERICA WERE SMARTER. It would NOT be a choice of "lesser evils."

Exactly.

It's too fucking bad that the young vote for Obama because they tend to get swayed by charisma and stuff, and the uneducated mainly get swayed by McCain.

Btw i heard Ron Pual is announcing something major next week.
Too bad that even if he decides to go third party or endorse some other guys, wouldnt make a difference cause there just aren't enough supporters. its either Obama or McCain.

Yeah i agree man, i wish there were better canidates.. but since there are not... One other thing i have to say. just because obama was able to get through school doesnt mean anything, for those who say it does and shun bush at the same time. seeing as he went to Harvard and graduated. sometimes wisdom from experience > Book Larnin (yes i know its spelled wrong )

[John_Doe]

As Barotrix has said we are just choosing the lesser of 2 evils, and I choose mine and gave my reason, I didn't bash no one or the other party, I just defended my choice... If people want to bring Bush up, heres my thought on him, Bush as a president sucked, but as a politican he is the best politican I've seen.

you state your reasons, but bashing other people makes you stupid

Let me ask? Obama wish to low taxes and cut unneed government spending, health care, schooling etc. if you actually watch his speech he said that he will do all of that including getting the money needed without useing any money from out or our pockets. Now that sounds great right, but think how would he do that? By pulling money from thin air? How would the governemnt get money by any other way besides taxing? If he plans to do so much change in 4 years, yet still lower taxes, then it will truely be amazing. Do I have to post Macain's speech from yesterdays convention word for word? Because not one time did I see nor hear him say that he was only gonna lower taxes for rich people? [b]more money on middle class ( like obama is planning ) = more money in the economy = more jobs. I fail to see how that works? He lowers taxes, inflation goes up, wow your dad just got a 5 dallor raise but inflation just went up as much, that 5 dallor raise can easily now be compared to a .25 cent raise. I thought it was the more money a bussiness had the more people it can hired and the more it can pay it's employees?

offtopic: Imma eat then sleep I post later when I wake up. If people haven't shreded eachother by then.

get a clue the man himself said he doesnt understand the economy
/google
/youtube

thanks for making things up about the economy for him .........people like yourself are the reason why the country isnt moving forward

and go back to school and learn about inflation...... people are loosing houses left and right that tells you that they dont have money therefore they arent consuming and jobs are being lost due to the lack of sales. i wont give you a class but there is a lot more to it, learn your stuff

I thought it was the more money a bussiness had the more people it can hired and the more it can pay it's employees?

old economies there, that goes to show that you dont understand how the economy works, if you knew anything you would know that middle class is the spending class and the more they have the more they spend

businesses cant hire people if no1 is buying their products and they having more money doesnt necessarily mean they will pay their employees more, that is another subject related to how well the economy is doing and the current level of education of people

lesson to be learn from that is that the economy is driven by middle class people wish is over 90% of the country ( cant back that up ) businesses already have the ability to hire people at will and if a business is ever lacking profit/resources is due to lack of costumers not taxes because taxes dont give they only reduce amount of gain

I fail to see how that had anything to do with what I stated. I stated that Obama wishs to do so much while keeping tax low, so if he is able to pull it off then i appualed him (that is if he is elected). Government doesn't control inflation, nor the companies that most middle class people work at, so I don't see how more money would get into middle class hands, if the company doesn't pay them more, unless Obama if elect is gonna start giveing free money to middle class?. Companies can't hire anyone if they had no money, and they don't have money cause there is no one buying thier stocks. Most middle class people I know tend to save? For big things like college, cars, house. Obama wishs to take away the taxes cut from the gas, the tax cut for a summer period is a between a range of $27-$30, wow such a big help that's gonna do, that couldn't even buy me 5 gallons of gas. If you wish to play the I took economic's class card I will humor you. I will back my statements up if needed.

Offtopic: lol i got off work and I bought a new pair of pants. woot

[vivien]

And you are saying that from personal experience because you actually live in the state of Alaska, and arn't just saying something from the news media? I fail to see how her daugther's pregnanacy has anything to do with this. Or is it the only last bit of straw that you guys can pick at. Call it cheap if it makes you feel better. He is such a turnoff? Yea that is a very valid reason.

I called the move cheap because she does nothing to the benefit of being female (the irony). She is anti-choice, and is a horrible mother because shes said she wouldnt support abortion even if her own daughter was raped. So shes a governor of Alaska.. big deal. Alaska has more wild animals living there than people anyway. -.-

[John_Doe]

if you say so...I have no reason to sway you. I've defended my reason so leave it at that.

[cpinney]

The biggest factor for me is that while Obama has some good plans, he's still a democrat. He's shooting for tighter gun laws, and banning assault weapons again. Hillary would've done the same thing. Unfortunately McCain is an old dumbass but since he's a republican he would leave guns alone. Both candidates suck, and each have very few good points.

This country's party system can kiss my ass.

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

[Blurred]

The biggest factor for me is that while Obama has some good plans, he's still a democrat. He's shooting for tighter gun laws, and banning assault weapons again. Hillary would've done the same thing. Unfortunately McCain is an old dumbass but since he's a republican he would leave guns alone. Both candidates suck, and each have very few good points.

This country's party system can kiss my ass.

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

It's a long story, revolutionary war, etc.

....lol

[l05tfr33k7]

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

some men gotta have their guns. simple as that.

[John_Doe]

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

some men gotta have their guns. simple as that.

our guns are like our property, we feel violated if they are takened from us.

[dom]

Which do you actually want running your country?

The one who's been around long enough to have witnessed the political and social impacts of the Vietnam war (which are similar to Iraq); knows what it's liked to be tortured, knows what it's like for the civilians in a wartorn region, and knows what sort of difficulties the simple infantryman in the American military has to live with.

The one who's been around to see some of the greatest economic booms, as well as recessions, and the seemingly unsurmountable cost of oil.

The one who is undoubtedly better qualified for the job, and not the one who is popular for... ?

[Reise]

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

So we can't lose our true control over this country.

A gun's a gun. It being automatic or not really is a non-issue.

[Foilin]

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

So we can't lose our true control over this country.

A gun's a gun. It being automatic or not really is a non-issue.

+1 said it before i did xD

[Bukakke]

For those talking about Palin, the vice presidential candidate for the republican party, you should really consider thinking things through before you say any negative comments.
For starters she has MOAR experience in leading than Obama and McCain
seeing as how both were SENATORS and Palin was MAYOR AND GOVERNOR;
however, you can successfully argue that she hasn't been in there for too long its still more executive experience as opposed to the presidential candidates legislative experience.
Not only that but she wasnt a random choice from McCain nor was she chosen to try and get the woman of america on his side. McCain was previously judged on how he wasn't too conservative and if you know anything at all you know Palin is a raging conservative republican. This will help McCain even-out and get back the conservative followers he might have lost.
Lastly, the fact that her daughter is pregnant to her isn't a bad thing as she is using it to her advantage to prove how conservative she is by stating that they will keep the child and be anti-abortion

Either way both of these Pres. Candidates are lacking in one area or the other. That doesn't give the OK' for people not not vote for them or put them down as representatives because EVERY presidential candidate before them has lacked something.
My thoughts: Obama made too many promises he might not be able to back up
McCain wants to follow in bushes footsteps as far as war is concerned
So i will probably be for Obama solely on the fact he said "reduce dependency on foreign oil...support alternative sources of energy" I think its time the world stop using up all the fossil fuels.

Oh, for the people talking about the economic issues, the republican party is all for helping the UPPER CLASS as they think from helping them it will trickle down to the rest of society. Its basic stuff, so of course McCain will have ideas along the lines of that. and of course Obama will help the middle class since he is democratic

Anyways final thought, none of it really matters since there's this thing that says that 70% of americans vote on their gut feeling for who they think will be better. Its all ways been that way, that's how we will do it now, and how it will be in later elections. Whatever happens happens. Some things always get fixed and become better and others become worse
there cant be a PERFECT president who can fix it all and not make any mistakes

[Love]

Which do you actually want running your country?

The one who's been around long enough to have witnessed the political and social impacts of the Vietnam war (which are similar to Iraq); knows what it's liked to be tortured, knows what it's like for the civilians in a wartorn region, and knows what sort of difficulties the simple infantryman in the American military has to live with.

The one who's been around to see some of the greatest economic booms, as well as recessions, and the seemingly unsurmountable cost of oil.

The one who is undoubtedly better qualified for the job, and not the one who is popular for... ?

follower alert

and ya, you are very smart the one who's been around long enough to have witnessed political and social impacts after war and has seeing the greatest economic booms as well as recessions

and clearly toll you he has no clue about how the economy works .........i would question it if some1 else said this about him but he bluntly said so himself, so how can you be so stupid to expect any sort of good results from him......blindy fallowing

knows what it's liked to be tortured, knows what it's like for the civilians in a wartorn region, and knows what sort of difficulties the simple infantryman in the American military has to live with.

the man wanted cuts on protective gear for god's sake and have you seing his class rank ? class rank 894 of 899 that is not a leader that is a follower with no skill of any sort

and wtf dont you live in Canada ? you have a very inefficient military mind, the efficient and effective shows results and shows them on the spot( that is readiness/preparation/capabilities of the individual ), is always rdy and doesnt make mistakes, also able to handle all kind of situations

[Barotix]

Even with all that experience McCain doesn't know jack-shit about history and is most likely to repeat it. Obama is the same. Difference being he's smarter and has less experience.

[Jstar1]

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

So we can't lose our true control over this country.

A gun's a gun. It being automatic or not really is a non-issue.

there is a difference. Do you think the police or the national guard will like it if they have to fight gangs who have ak-47s? How about terrorists who get in the country and get access to automatic weapons. If you have 2 or 3 terrorists open up their machineguns in a mall or downtown new york, they can kill a lot of people in just a few seconds.

if there is no difference in the firepower of weapons you might as well allow rocket launchers and M60s

[Barotix]

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

So we can't lose our true control over this country.

A gun's a gun. It being automatic or not really is a non-issue.

there is a difference. Do you think the police or the national guard will like it if they have to fight gangs who have ak-47s? How about terrorists who get in the country and get access to automatic weapons. If you have 2 or 3 terrorists open up their machineguns in a mall or downtown new york, they can kill a lot of people in just a few seconds.

if there is no difference in the firepower of weapons you might as well allow rocket launchers and M60s

This country was made for the people, by the people, and if the people choose to dissolve the Government by force of arms we have all the right to.
First they take away our Freedom of Speech.
Then our freedom of expression.
Then they impose religious "morals" upon society.
Then they brainwash our children.
Then they take away the means to fight back.
All for a little extra security from an invisible enemy.

If they want my guns they'll have to take them from my cold dead hands.

[Jstar1]

i doubt there will be a situation where all the american people will rise up together to dissolve the government. so far its worked and its worked for other democracies.

and how many people will own automatic rifles in case such a situation occurs? Not many, and if the people are going against the government, the government has more than enough weapons to crush a puny rebellion where a few guys have machineguns. Permitting automatic rifles to the public doesnt mean that everyone is going to rush to the store and buy a rifle in case of a "bad government"

join a state militia or the NRA if your scared of george bush suddenly turning into a dictator or something

[Blurred]

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

So we can't lose our true control over this country.

A gun's a gun. It being automatic or not really is a non-issue.

there is a difference. Do you think the police or the national guard will like it if they have to fight gangs who have ak-47s? How about terrorists who get in the country and get access to automatic weapons. If you have 2 or 3 terrorists open up their machineguns in a mall or downtown new york, they can kill a lot of people in just a few seconds.

if there is no difference in the firepower of weapons you might as well allow rocket launchers and M60s

You can own a weapon, but dosent mean you can walk around with an ak-47. There's laws for that.

[Barotix]

so far its worked and its worked for other democracies.

Our Democracy isn't the same as other Democracies. =]

[Jstar1]

so far its worked and its worked for other democracies.

Our Democracy isn't the same as other Democracies. =]

the underlying principle is the same: that power is divided and the people choose their leaders

[Love]

Even with all that experience McCain doesn't know jack-shit about history and is most likely to repeat it. Obama is the same. Difference being he's smarter and has less experience.

i must say that sounds appropriate and fairly educated but McCain experience = non real

[Barotix]

so far its worked and its worked for other democracies.

Our Democracy isn't the same as other Democracies. =]

the underlying principle is the same: that power is divided and the people choose their leaders

Power isn't divided in all democracies and the party has more say than the people in other democracies. American Democracy isn't typical.

[Reise]

and tell me again why we civilians need automatic weapons?

So we can't lose our true control over this country.

A gun's a gun. It being automatic or not really is a non-issue.

there is a difference. Do you think the police or the national guard will like it if they have to fight gangs who have ak-47s? How about terrorists who get in the country and get access to automatic weapons. If you have 2 or 3 terrorists open up their machineguns in a mall or downtown new york, they can kill a lot of people in just a few seconds.

if there is no difference in the firepower of weapons you might as well allow rocket launchers and M60s

They already do fight gangs with AK47s. The automatic weapons ban is a stupid law meant only to shut up soccer moms who lost children or loved ones because of a gun. Terrorists wouldn't give two shits about gun laws and would likely bring their own hardware anyway. The reason they aren't bringing 2 or 3 guys with MGs is because cops and civilians have guns too, they wouldn't accomplish much more than killing a handful of people. Think of how fast you'd be out of there if you saw 3 idiots roll up and start pulling belts of ammo and a MG out of the trunk of their car.

You can own rocket launchers and M60s if you have the money. Most people don't though.

Before we continue though, it's been stated numerous times quite clearly by founding fathers individually that every citizen of the US has the right to own guns. Any restriction on that is restricting our rights as US citizens.

[Love]

They already do fight gangs with AK47s. The automatic weapons ban is a stupid law meant only to shut up soccer moms who lost children or loved ones because of a gun. Terrorists wouldn't give two shits about gun laws and would likely bring their own hardware anyway. The reason they aren't bringing 2 or 3 guys with MGs is because cops and civilians have guns too, they wouldn't accomplish much more than killing a handful of people. Think of how fast you'd be out of there if you saw 3 idiots roll up and start pulling belts of ammo and a MG out of the trunk of their car.

You can own rocket launchers and M60s if you have the money. Most people don't though.

Before we continue though, it's been stated numerous times quite clearly by founding fathers individually that every citizen of the US has the right to own guns. Any restriction on that is restricting our rights as US citizens.

you are rather stupid you dont know how much easier would it be for criminal organizations to get their hands on them if they were legal

a normal person doesnt need an ak47 to protect himself/herself ......

and let me tell you why you are stupid while are it. lets say i see you with a bazooka on the street, i will definitely stop you and take you to jail for it and question where it came from and take down w/e you are planning to do but now lets say i see you with a zooka on the street and every1 in the country has one ( extreme example ) do you think i will be able to keep track of the good and the bad guys or tell them apart? not to mention controlling effectively any criminal organization they are running. but that is not even the bad part lets say every1 could buy a zooka at w/e place as long as they had a clean criminal record and i am a bad guy and not allow to buy one. how real do you think is the possibility of me kidnapping people and force family members to buy this items? or for me to recruit young people and introduce them to the criminal world and have them purchase this items for me before they get tainted, i could as easily offer money to some1 in a bad situation to get this items for me point is = no control and you are stupid to think the way you do ....

[Barotix]

History says whenever government makes illegal something that isn't criminal, criminals are created. Few examples: The failed war on drugs, the prohibition, and the numerous gun laws that are brought upon us for absolutely absurd reasons. Have we ever seen a decrease in crime when government tries to criminalize certain civil rights? No, we have always, and still do see an increase. A few bad people is not a good reason to punish the whole.