Goverment? Do or do not have your best interests in mind?

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

What do you guys think about the goverment allowing drinking and smoking
but not allowing drug taking? The facts I read said that the amount of
people hospitalised and/or killed from drinking is aprox. 10 times more
and smoking is aprox 5 times more. They care about the people or want some
cash? I understand that the revenue of smokes and alchohol does pay for
lots of things but I can only imagine them saving tons of cash because
of the less populated hospitals but then again resulting in job losses I guess. I think it is just greed.

Also war, sending our people away to die for cash, land oil ect.. I beleive
the war in Iraq now is a load of crap and they just want to get some oil.

Also where I live our petrol prices don't go down (they are highest ever)
when other countries and the value of oil goes down. Goverment does not
care, Bribed by the oil companies possibly? I dunno.

Personally I think society and the goverment absolutely suck and are
often dead stupid and have some ridiculus laws, regulations and what not.

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drinking was illegal at one point

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

drinking was illegal at one point

Really? When? Interesting. Do you know what made who ever
was in power at the time choose to do that? Smart move.

Personally I think greed will end the human race. It makes us
do horrible things, our nature sucks. We are a design built
failure if you ask me.. I can be negative sometimes but w/e.

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i think it was the 18th amendment. Because of orginazed crime growing in the USA, The 21st amendment repealed the Eighteenth Amendment.

Al-Capone was famous for his organized crime in this era.


Woodrow Wilson was president during the 18th amendment.

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

As in "Thou shall not steal" ect.. That would have
been ages and ages ago lol. Another point I'd like
to make more about the human nature been lame and
not as much about the goverment sucking thought they
could change but would be way to extreme for most people.

You will probably say oh your only saying 'cause your
vegan as I am but like eating animal products.. even
meat.. Giving up 10% of meat everyone eats would leave
enough food to food everyone starving in the world.
That would be amasing to end world hunger, though there's
still the problem of transportation. For every 1 pound
of beef they must use 16 pounds of grain which could be
used as 16 pounds of healthy food. Giving up meat and
animal products would pretty much put global warming
to an end for awhile, the amount of green house gases
produced by all the animals in the world(for food) is
more than EVERY car, bus and train in the whole
world! And then the gas produced by animals is alot more
destructive than what cars and all that produce. Then
there's the water polution from chemicals and thier crap
that runs off into our drinking water and rivers.

We could make amazingly great changes to the world with
such little and effortless changes to our lifestyle.
To me I think that shows selfishness in our nature.

[ciko1984]

America sux and leeches world

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

America sux and leeches world

I'm Australian. I wasn't talking about America but basically the
whole world. Nearly anyways. We should be made to live a month in
a 3rd world country. Make us appreciate everything we have and every
thing that they don't.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

America sux and leeches world

So do all the other industrial countries

and the raw material suppliers AKA 3rd world countries are contaminated by corruption

Every coin has 2 sides.

[dom]

/facepalm

Another pseudo-intellectual discussion on over-talked issues. It isn't even a discussion when it comes to this anymore. The same people will use the same arguments they all heard from the same tv show.

[Leon]

Come to Holland, drugs is kinda legal here

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

/facepalm

Another pseudo-intellectual discussion on over-talked issues. It isn't even a discussion when it comes to this anymore. The same people will use the same arguments they all heard from the same tv show.

Tell me your joking? I actually looked up all the facts myself.
And these are things I feel strongly about. I'm a heavily opinionated
person and I like to talk to others and see their sides of. You
never know what you can learn. Often it's from people you wouldn't
expect to learn from.

Tell me these TV shows I'm getting my arguements from?

Get lost if your not contributing and stop trying to look smart.

I'm a 16 year old. I don't watch gaylord TV shows that discuss
this stuff as media is s**t and takes every bad point posibble
and seems to make it worse for views. The stories and opinions
on TV are decided and driven by money. Therefore not valid to me
that's why it's better discussing it with other real people IMO.

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I don't want drugs legalised lol I'd be absolutely discusted if they
were. Get a how to letter bomb the authorities book and put it to good
use if that happened.

[Blurred]

/facepalm

Another pseudo-intellectual discussion on over-talked issues. It isn't even a discussion when it comes to this anymore. The same people will use the same arguments they all heard from the same tv show.

Huh? I dont see these types of arguments? Atleast not around here.

[YangKang]

I dont agree with the drugs part. Lets say drugs WERE allowed, then people would have something new, 'legally' to consume. Also I guess that drugs will kill you faster than smoking and drinking.

[whiteraven]

well i was to lazy to read all

but your mind shrinks if you smoke weet same as with alcohol xD however drugs will be legal 1 time,, thats for sure,, i live in holland (coffee shops,, everybody know holland about the coffieshops, tulips, woodenshoes, mills )
in holland its legal to use soft drugs,, works fine and because its legal the governement can controle it

mather of time before other countries will follow



governements dont have in mind about what you care (as individual) but what is right for the country and what most people want why dont you go in politics and try to change it,, if you get votes then your idea is OK, however if you dont get votes, your ideas suck and you will be a failour please dont waste my time with this threats,, everybody knows how democrasie works,, act like it and dont point your fingers to others who arent doing to right thing (in your eyes)

just vote for peeps who do care about where you care about OR start your own political party

its as simple as that

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

There's a diffrence between what's best for people
and what they want. People want to smoke. Is it good
for them? No, it's deffitnly not. People like eating
meat, Is it good for them? Not to bad but not eating
it is better. People want to drink. Is it good for
them? Nope. Same as someone might want to commit suicide.
Is that good for them? Obviously not.\

I would never go into politics, so much bullshit there.
Constantly trying to make crap smell good basically.

[whiteraven]

There's a diffrence between what's best for people
and what they want. People want to smoke. Is it good
for them? No, it's deffitnly not. People like eating
meat, Is it good for them? Not to bad but not eating
it is better. People want to drink. Is it good for
them? Nope. Same as someone might want to commit suicide.
Is that good for them? Obviously not.\

I would never go into politics, so much bullshit there.
Constantly trying to make crap smell good basically.

most people would say:

dont criticisy (damn dont know how to spell it,, so i wrote it like i would say it xD) people on what they are doing if you cant or dont want to do it yourself


politic is based on arguments,, im sure they have some fine arguments why they are acting like they are doing now,, this topic is a total waste of time ^^ if you could speak dutch (i suppose you dont?) then i would really make some good points,, but my english is just to bad and i wont even try it i suck xD xD

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

Nope don't speak dutch sorry. I'm Australian
with Australian parents and school didn't
offer it anyways so yeah.

I'm sure there's something decent reasons but
I'm sure there's many that are morally wrong
and they give the public bs stories to make it
sound great when it is probably a bad thing to
do. That is my opinion.

I cop more criticism because I have different believes
and values in many ways than the amount I give out
even though I don't criticize people for what they do
unless they give it to me first then I tell them why
they are stupid for criticizing me.

How much crap do you think I cop for not eating meat,
eggs. Drinking milk, purchasing fur, not eating so many
foods like all soft lollies. Not drinking or smoking or
taking drugs? Haha a lot. Everyone always says that people
with different believes criticize everyone, we take a lot more
than what we give out usually.

I don't think it's a waste if people talked, I like to hear
other opinions 'cause you can learn alot even if they beleive
the opposite to you. It's happened a few times to me

[Tasdik]

America sux and leeches world

America has also saved the world a time or two...*WW1 and WW2*

[John_Doe]

drugs well illegal ones arn't usually controled by big companies.

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

drugs well illegal ones arn't usually controled by big companies.

Yeah. Please elaborate. I'm not
understanding what your trying to say.

[whiteraven]

eating meat sometimes is a healthy thing to do,, but you could also take suplements for the stuff what is in meat,, i damn like meat nobody will ever give enough arguments to stop eating meat (unless i get a gun pointed at my head and peep who is pointing says he will pull the trigger if i eat the meat damn my wild fantasies xD)

im not smoking, dont drink much, eat meat not drinking milk (hate the taste of it), not taking drugs, eating eggs (also healthy in a small amount,, take out toxines out of your body) great for when you have a hang over 2 eggs and you feel alot better within a hour (well you dont feel very happy when you are eating xD)

if i knew you in rl i would really critizese you you sound like 1 of those greenpeace peeps who actually have strange, not healthy, not natural believes humans are made to destroy ourselfs just relax and watch the show im some sick peep in my own ways but nobody knows except for myself

im really going to enjoy when the whole eco style is gone,, mather of time,, eco peeps are suiciding themselfs fuel and energy will be the next things to worry about i would love it when greenpeace like groups are going to protect oilfields xD damn i would think back about the time where we in now and laugh for days, weaks, months, years xD

not to mention the ''war'' there will be for the oil and gass underneath north or southpole (to stupid to remember wich one it was xD)

[whiteraven]

America sux and leeches world

America has also saved the world a time or two...*WW1 and WW2*

who says they saved it,, they saved their own ideas about how the world should been,, not to flame but we dont really know if they saved the world although im gratefull they did otherwise i probably wouldnt excist xD

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

Haha dude. Me? a green peace kid? Lol. Okay I'll say
a few more things about myself. I'm 16, dropped out.
Shitty job. Listen to hardcore as in scream/yell as
vocals, heavyish. Absolutely love it, live for shows.
I'm vegan as I beleive torturing animals to make an
already wealthy person a little richer is discusting.
Don't do drugs, don't smoke, don't drink as that are
all terribly selfish in my eyes. Destroying your mind
the and body whilist people that love you have to sit
back and watch you do that to yourself. I'm a very
negative person towards society haha. Can't wait to
turn 18 and get me a few tats "get my heart on my sleeve"
I want to make a change in the world, a good one.
I'm heavily opinionated. Still open minded. Athiest.

Do I still sound like a green peace kid?

As for me thinking the human race will destroy it's self
it's not a beleive. It's a theory. I don't beleive that
we were made to kill ourselves but I think that if we don't
make a change in our decisions our greed will probably destroy
us.

Eating meat isn't the healthiest thing nor the unhealthiest.
Compared to a vegan or vegetarian diet it's not that healty.
Increases cancer growth rates (50% for some types) and other
not so great things. Google why veg? and it will probably
show heaps of health benefits for it.

I'm not some super eco kid or anything I just think that
we could do so much good, fix the mess we have made of the
world with so little effort but everyones to mindless to
bother or to think for themselves. Personally I think most
people just accept the lifestyle lived by thier peers and
parents. Not sure why. Maybe 'cause they can't handle pressure
or need acceptance. Maybe just don't wanna let someone down.

And you critising me is a joke. Not getting agro but don't make
me laugh seriously.

[whiteraven]

nah greanpeace is to peacefull for you,, you are probably one of the more aggrasive approach,, there was nother activist group not sure but ithink they where called rainbow warriors,, lol they fail harder as greanpeace xD

point about meat,, MEAT IS HEALTHY,, cancer might grow faster but first you will need to GET cancer,, how about that meat is full with euhm well,, healthy stuff,, i know how to call them in dutch ,, but i fail in english xD

the people who really want to make a difference (well we all want to make a difference in childhood (im 17 myself)) same with me,, but i know i probably will never make a big difference,, ill do my best for it, but i accept if i dont,, benefit for young people,, we still dream alot,, about what we could do i would get use to the idea you will pretty much fail and become a mailmen otherwise youll probably end up cutting yourself or trying to make suicide you cant imagine it YET, but you will remind these words when you get in that situation and dont tell me this is rubbish,, FACTS tell me im right

for some reason young people some times ignore the basic rule of life: stay alive
howcome,, because we all tell world is rubbish and we want to make a difference, and you will probably not make a difference (nother fact)

live is complicated,, the headbang music doesnt work eather,, try some pop much more peacefull

[Midori]

America sux and leeches world

America has also saved the world a time or two...*WW1 and WW2*

Well, actually... America had little to do with WWI.

[_Scarlett_]

/facepalm

Another pseudo-intellectual discussion on over-talked issues. It isn't even a discussion when it comes to this anymore. The same people will use the same arguments they all heard from the same tv show.

+1. Pretty straight forward generalization, but it describes it perfectly.

[Squirt]

If none of you have a dregree in political science or something relating to the goverment I know decree your post spam.

[_Scarlett_]

If none of you have a dregree in political science or something relating to the goverment I know decree your post spam.

Guess that counts your post and this one ^,^

[whiteraven]

i dont have a degree but i have some (translate site says) deepening tasks in politics,,

i think i can claim that i know something about politics but my knowledge of english is just to poor to translate all my knowledge

[ImmortalKiller]

Dear MR. ThreadStarter

The only reason I am posting this is because you spelled "Government" wrong.

It's the TITLE of the thread. You lose man-points.