What build should i choose in terms of 1v1 pvp?

englishganxta · Post by **englishganxta** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:17 am

Im considering these two builds for my euro char =D

Cast a vote, and if you have time tell me a reason :roll:

Also itd be cool if you could give me any name suggestions..

thanks =D

Jazba · Post by **Jazba** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:30 am

for 1vs1 specially
go for
ROGUE + WARLOCK

Crni_Vatreni · Post by **Crni_Vatreni** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:33 am

Any warlock related build is absolutely the best at 1 vs 1. Learned the lession the hard way. Expirience has told me, not just guessing.

Name: Run4UrLife (been my alias for some time) (and it's true, if u are a warlock. He betta run.)

Sacrament · Post by **Sacrament** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:43 am

warrior/warlock i know from first hand experience

Puma60 · Post by **Puma60** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:42 am

Warrior/Cleric, Cleric for the Bless, Holy Spell and Recovery Division. Most Warlock debuffs can be removed with Special Pills, or prevented with Holy Spell.

Nitro · Post by **Nitro** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:49 am

Warrior / Cleric hands down.
Any propper Warrior / Cleric can tanke down Warrior / Warlock without any problems.

Cerus · Post by **Cerus** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:03 am

Warrior Warlock for 1v1.
Warrior Cleric for War.

Nitro wrote:Warrior / Cleric hands down.
Any propper Warrior / Cleric can tanke down Warrior / Warlock without any problems.

At lvl 90, Cleric is no longer immune to Warlock's curses n traps.

foudre · Post by **foudre** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:09 am

for 1 vs 1 warlock for sure, cleric is better at groups but one on one just stop your opponent in his tracks no sense in tanking extra if you can stop and debuff your opponent and finish him a few blows, fights will be over faster with warlock

_Scarlett_ · Post by **_Scarlett_** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:58 am

Nitro wrote:Warrior / Cleric hands down.
Any propper Warrior / Cleric can tanke down Warrior / Warlock without any problems.

This is true, it helps even more if you're in Light Armor; with the Charity passive (given that you have cleric rod equipted and L.A on), it reduces Weakening series, given that with holy spell, gL to any warrior/lock that can find a way to debuff that. Just equipt cleric rod when they have warlock out, and use innocent and integrity, until they go back to warrior. Easy to tank 'em.

foudre · Post by **foudre** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:44 am

_Scarlett_ wrote:
Nitro wrote:Warrior / Cleric hands down.
Any propper Warrior / Cleric can tanke down Warrior / Warlock without any problems.

This is true, it helps even more if you're in Light Armor; with the Charity passive (given that you have cleric rod equipted and L.A on), it reduces Weakening series, given that with holy spell, gL to any warrior/lock that can find a way to debuff that. Just equipt cleric rod when they have warlock out, and use innocent and integrity, until they go back to warrior. Easy to tank 'em.

of course in doing so provided they notice can just sit there too you can like sheild bash each other (of course the cleric can use over heal while doing this bind and switch back to warrior himself)

Mango · Post by **Mango** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:27 pm

Warrior/Warlock is better against chinese in 1v1 but since most euros are Cleric subs it is basically just a warrior to them. Gets raped by Warlock/Clerics and Warrior/Cleric.

Warrior/Cleric is very good against chinese when played well, and is better against most euros than Warrior/Warlock.

Ragnorak · Post by **Ragnorak** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:01 pm

Warrior/cleric...why?...cuz I don't want another annoying warlock on any server xD....I got annoy of going to dw south for job wars alone..vs 3+ other thief that I would not mine the odds but as long as is not a warlock that adds abnormal status that u virtually can't move. I have a cap nuker besides my glavier and 2 lvl 80 euros..one with mastery cleric 80 (no stat points added (237) HP/MP 5210 810K SP. pvl. ftw ) other mastery bard bard 80 no stat pts added as well...thief love to use safe zone bards....most likely will be warrior/cleric wizard/bard...but I honestly have no intention of using them for jw/pvp...might use wiz for shaitan (reverse of course) waiting in one spot for hrs for a unique to spawn is not my thing..and it probably will die before I can make it to the location where it spawn...might use warrior/cleric for FW..since cleric ress/bless is really needed for fort.

Genocide · Post by **Genocide** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:03 pm

warrior/ warlock is real tough and the pills are expensive 50 for 1 mill

xKingpinx · Post by **xKingpinx** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:21 pm

WARLOCK/CLERIC.... ITS BEASTLY ..so hard to kill....

Mousetrap · Post by **Mousetrap** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:32 pm

I asked myself the same question months ago, and decided with warrior / cleric?
Why? Warrior / lock will get boring too fast IMO.
I mean really, you can dominate almost anyone 1v1 in the server within 15 seconds.. what kind of PvP is that?
I'd rather longer, more exciting PvPs.
Oh and you'll be a beast in group PvP also, recovery division, holy word, defense buffs for everyone, and finally bless.. switch to warrior and pain quotas + screens, ultimate build imo.

I Pk I · Post by **I Pk I** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:29 pm

Well look at it like tihs:
Warrior = Str build
Warlock = Int build
they dont go as well as warrior/cleric.

Nitro · Post by **Nitro** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:33 pm

I Pk I wrote:Well look at it like tihs:
Warrior = Str build
Warlock = Int build
they dont go as well as warrior/cleric.

You dont know what you're talking about...
By your theory, Cleric = Int build ... so they dont match either?

Shadowfox542 · Post by **Shadowfox542** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:44 pm

If these 2 builds 1v1'd each other, the warrior cleric would win no problem.
why?
Holy Word/Spell makes the debuffs not land. You cast iron skin and the warrior warlock switches to 2h and does the same. 45 seconds are up. He switchs to 1H, you switch to celric and sheild crush him to cast bless. One of two things will happen:
1. He will kb you whenever you try to use maddening/daredevil and you wont be able to kill him till he can skin again and make a go at you

2. You will get lucky and have sprint/shield NOT kb, as there is a % it won't. Daredevil is used, but without a crit, a pure str in heavy armor survives or even blocks it, and then proceeds to KB you till he can skin. Basically, you need a crit and no blocks.

This pvp would most likely go on for well over 2 minutes, and would be super boring to watch.

In general PvP:
Warlock Warrior will own those without holy word, but will fail at killing celric sub people, and massively fail at group pvp.

Cleric warrior would have a hard time killing other warriors as well as bladers, but would most likely beat bladers, and do fine in pvp. Excells in group pvp.

Also, a quick note, Ive never had any problems dealing the required amount of damage to kill a blader, it just takes awhile. 2H does a large amount of damage, and you can tank with bless/skins for 90 seconds, then just use 1H till you can repeat. I have a lv85 warrior, and a warlock that is lv60. Warlock pvp is really fun, but I almost ALWAYS get ks'd after giving them a full set of debuffs.

Also, a quicker note, warlock sub takes more SP than cleric if you don't get the cleric buffs.

tl;dr: Warrior celric.

iGod · Post by **iGod** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:22 am

And again... holy spell cant protect from lv10 debuffs, so warrior/cleric is pointless, get a cleric on the side if you have to, its easy to farm at least

John_Doe · Post by **John_Doe** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:31 am

Shadowfox542 wrote:If these 2 builds 1v1'd each other, the warrior cleric would win no problem.wrong if two robots fought eachother then the cleric sub would win, if real people fought eachother it would be all luck and timing.
why?
Holy Word/Spell makes the debuffs not land. You cast iron skin and the warrior warlock switches to 2h and does the same. 45 seconds are up. He switchs to 1H, you switch to celric and sheild crush him to cast bless. One of two things will happen:
1. He will kb you whenever you try to use maddening/daredevil and you wont be able to kill him till he can skin again and make a go at youeven with holy spell on the warlock can stun you for 5-10 sec leaving you vernuable to mutiple stabs from the 1hs or slash from the axe tree, assuming from the speed that 2hs atks are excuted. Ofcrouse this won't kill any regular warrior but it will drain your pots.

2. You will get lucky and have sprint/shield NOT kb, as there is a % it won't. Daredevil is used, but without a crit, a pure str in heavy armor survives or even blocks it, and then proceeds to KB you till he can skin. Basically, you need a crit and no blocks. a 2hs would have such a slim chance of even excuting DD due to the fact that kb from the shieldbash is so high, +the stun/kb from sprint and thier 80% warlock stun skill at lvl90.

This pvp would most likely go on for well over 2 minutes, and would be super boring to watch.

In general PvP:
Warlock Warrior will own those without holy word, but will fail at killing celric sub people, and massively fail at group pvp. plz show a video of a warrior/warlock failing in group pvp? Any warrior no matter thier sub as long as they do thier job cannot fail in group pvp. So I don't know what you mean. Tell me how they fail? Or are we basing this on the assumption that there is no cleric present and the only warrior with cleric sub are able to heal and res thus making them excell in group pvp?

Cleric warrior would have a hard time killing other warriors as well as bladers, but would most likely beat bladers, and do fine in pvp. Excells in group pvp. Most warrior should excell in group pvp if they do thier job, doesn't matter what sub they have.

Also, a quick note, Ive never had any problems dealing the required amount of damage to kill a blader, it just takes awhile. 2H does a large amount of damage, and you can tank with bless/skins for 90 seconds, then just use 1H till you can repeat. I have a lv85 warrior, and a warlock that is lv60. Warlock pvp is really fun, but I almost ALWAYS get ks'd after giving them a full set of debuffs.

Also, a quicker note, warlock sub takes more SP than cleric if you don't get the cleric buffs.

tl;dr: Warrior celric.

SO I'm just trying to say if real people did Fight a cleric sub would just not outstraight win. It takes luck and timing, and knowing your character. SO heres the gist of it, if you want a not so hard character to win most pvp that doesn't require too much weapon switching and sp go cleric, if you think you can handle losing at first and farming the extra sp for all the debuffs...etc go warlock. Both builds do fine in my opion just one is like the glavie build (that everyone can easily get use to useing) while the other is like the dual weapon int build of the chinese race.

Grimm-.- · Post by **Grimm-.-** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:40 am

If It is Warrior/Cleric [Axe] Vs Warrior/Warlock [any]

The Axe Has A huge advantage with holy word and the passive.

Also @ people who were talking about group play err something....
A Warrior Really cannot act as a cleric...
The Sub Cleric warrior is really meant to keep him and only him Alive...
Unless you are using Vigor Dont count on a warrior to heal you party and keep it alive. There is way to much mp consumption and not enough mp.

Refurbished · Post by **Refurbished** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:53 am

war/cleric they pwn

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:55 am

I personally love 1h warrior/warlock pvp. I was beating nukers with sos sets with merely a npc set on my lvl 40 warrior/warlock. It was fun and exciting, since debuffing the enemy, being able to interrupt most of their attacks, and still tank them pretty well when they managed to hit me was a luxury after coming from a Chinese INT hybrid. Warrior/cleric is an excellent defensive build though, and is especially good in 2v2 and 3v3. It also gives you the power to res your comrades after they've been killed, since it is very likely that you'll be the last one standing.

If you really like exciting 1v1, go warrior/warlock. If you generally want to tank people pretty much endlessly, go warrior/cleric. Both are great builds.

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:56 am

IguanaRampage wrote:I personally love 1h warrior/warlock pvp. I was beating nukers with sos sets with merely a npc set on my lvl 40 warrior/warlock. It was fun and exciting, since debuffing the enemy, being able to interrupt most of their attacks, and still tanking them pretty well when they managed to hit me was a luxury after coming from a Chinese INT hybrid. Warrior/cleric is an excellent defensive build though, and is especially good in 2v2 and 3v3. It also gives you the power to res your comrades after they've been killed, since it is very likely that you'll be the last one standing.

If you really like exciting 1v1, go warrior/warlock. If you generally want to tank people pretty much endlessly, go warrior/cleric. Both are great builds.

Unknown_Ninja · Post by **Unknown_Ninja** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:44 am

Y quote yourself

Ontopic:Warrior/warlock

englishganxta · Post by **englishganxta** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:21 pm

OMG this poll is inconclusive, give or take 5 and then you can say one is better=/ :banghead:

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