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even if we fail? Don't get me wrong but I wouldn't do something if I knew I wasn't gonna win in the end.
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you would never know if you will win or fail. just gotta take that chance, it seperates the boys from the men.
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John_Doe wrote:even if we fail? Don't get me wrong but I wouldn't do something if I knew I wasn't gonna win in the end.


If everybody thought that they couldn't do something on their own and not do it, no one would do anything big, because no one would be tackling any problems because if every one thought that one person cannot do anything on his own.

So without 10,000 'one persons' doing their $10 to help the church even thought they think $10 isn't going to build a cathedral. There would be no 100,000 dollars.

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people could do things to help, but there will always be the problem. and people can make change, but its hard for anyone with out power. people in office can make change, but what can you do if you own a gas station? how can you make change?
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blackfalcon wrote:people could do things to help, but there will always be the problem. and people can make change, but its hard for anyone with out power. people in office can make change, but what can you do if you own a gas station? how can you make change?


People in office are only people, the only difference is that the people in office motivates the thousands not in office and puts thousands of peoples strength into one task. That what leaders are, why else would we put people in office? So they can tax us and do nothing?

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John_Doe wrote:even if we fail? Don't get me wrong but I wouldn't do something if I knew I wasn't gonna win in the end.


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XuChu wrote:
John_Doe wrote:even if we fail? Don't get me wrong but I wouldn't do something if I knew I wasn't gonna win in the end.


If everybody thought that they couldn't do something on their own and not do it, no one would do anything big, because no one would be tackling any problems because if every one thought that one person cannot do anything on his own.

So without 10,000 'one persons' doing their $10 to help the church even thought they think $10 isn't going to build a cathedral. There would be no 100,000 dollars. I do not get what your trying to point out with this


If people knew that a single person can make no diffenece they would invest in gathering a mass of people to present their idea of change. Plz point out one person who has tackled a big problem by himself and solve it by himself? Hmm...yea I can't understand that last bit.
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It's a misunderstanding:
You said that one person cannot bring about change.
We responded that if everyone believed that one person cannot bring about change then nothing would get down and we would still be at square one.
So the conclusion is that if everyone believes they can bring about change (individually) their collective efforts are greater than their individual efforts. An example would be as follows:

One person wants to change a unfair piece a legislation. He/she believes that alone he/she won't get the job done and doesn't try at all. There are many others like him/her. Because of their lack of confidence the legislation remains unchanged.

Now again the same scenario played out differently:

One person wants to change a piece of legislation. He/she believes that his/her opinion matters. There are many like him/her and even though they mail their complaints individually because of their collective might the legislation is changed for the better.
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John_Doe wrote:
XuChu wrote:
John_Doe wrote:even if we fail? Don't get me wrong but I wouldn't do something if I knew I wasn't gonna win in the end.


If everybody thought that they couldn't do something on their own and not do it, no one would do anything big, because no one would be tackling any problems because if every one thought that one person cannot do anything on his own.

So without 10,000 'one persons' doing their $10 to help the church even thought they think $10 isn't going to build a cathedral. There would be no 100,000 dollars. I do not get what your trying to point out with this


If people knew that a single person can make no diffenece they would invest in gathering a mass of people to present their idea of change. Plz point out one person who has tackled a big problem by himself and solve it by himself? Hmm...yea I can't understand that last bit.


Yeah you're not getting what I'm trying to say, but nevermind it, its not what this thread was originally about anyways.

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If i wanted to bring around change to some legislation I for one know that one letter from me won't sway anyone (thus knowing that i can't no win said fight alone, even though i believe my opion matters) thus I would rally support and mass as many poeple as I can to support my reason. I wouldn't just mail it in and hope by some fate/chance that 100k other people also felt that thier voice individaully would change said legislation.

John_Doe wrote:
If people knew that a single person can make no diffenece they would invest in gathering a mass of people to present their idea of change. Plz point out one person who has tackled a big problem by himself and solve it by himself?


Assemblies don't just happen because people happen to by chance meet another person with thier view. They happen because people know that 1 voice won't change anything (a voice can start something) but if will be silenced and won't have any effect if there is no support behind it. If person knew they couldn't do it alone and just decided to quit they are just stupid. What I'm trying to point out is that you cannot do anything as big as stopping something like postitution without the support/help of people, and that maybe you should accept that you can't do it alone (not as a negitave thing but just knowing what you can and cannot do).
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John_Doe wrote:If i wanted to bring around change to some legislation I for one know that one letter from me won't sway anyone (thus knowing that i can't no win said fight alone, even though i believe my opion matters) thus I would rally support and mass as many poeple as I can to support my reason. I wouldn't just mail it in and hope by some fate/chance that 100k other people also felt that thier voice individaully would change said legislation.

John_Doe wrote:
(a voice can start something)


That is all that matters. Most people aren't willing to be that voice.
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true on that point. I have to say you do have me tongue tied now.
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But what if Einstein thought nothing could be done alone?
He wouldn't have invented loads of things and became obese
from shooting pigeons and putting them in waffels. But really
it seems like a pathetic life to sit back and be to much of
dog to try and change the wrongs around you. Half the time it
takes nearly no effort but what ever.

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XuChu wrote:Big problem, most prostitutes don't do want to be prostitutes, instead they are cheated and trafficked into other countries and pretty much forced into being sex workers.


THAT is the main problem with whores.
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DeathBeforeDishonor wrote:But what if Einstein thought nothing could be done alone?
He wouldn't have invented loads of things and became obese
from shooting pigeons and putting them in waffels. But really
it seems like a pathetic life to sit back and be to much of
dog to try and change the wrongs around you. Half the time it
takes nearly no effort but what ever.
I didn't mean look at it from a negetive point, I meant you should know when you can't win alone and don't be stupid and yet still try. Einstien (haveing a background of being proficcent in math and pyhics) didn't invent anything from what I know, he just made up theories that he was able to prove. Einstien knew what he could do and he did just that.
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ROFL I'm getting him mixed up with another guy then. My bad.
If you don't try no one sees you trying. Alot of the time we
need someone else to start then alot of people will kinda think
"hey that's not so crazy or stupid, they are doing it so I can to"

I'm living proof. If someone had of told me of veganism before I
knew that alot of people actually are vegan I would have thought
it was impossible but then I found found out alot of people can
achive it and still be healthy and all that with good tasting
food, watched a video, thought about it. Eventually I said no more,
and became vegan the next day. Lol, I wouldn't have made that
change if no one else had. Don't get me wrong, I truely beleive
I'm doing the right thing, I'm not using it as a title as damn
Pamela Anderson uses vegetarian. Anyway One person can make a
tremendous diffrence. Look at the guy who wrote the bible ^^

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Yeah, Whores are bitches.
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Read all, but no opinion. :?
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