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BloodEngel · Post by **BloodEngel** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:25 am

I put this on another forum but wanted to ask about it here to. I'm basically going to copy paste my main points and arguments I had and then you can debate them if desired.

So...

Whats your opinion on them?

I see no problem with it as long as they aren't stupid about it and it does not go against their morality. I personally would never pay for sex but can see why what they do could be seen as good. I mean sex has health benefits. For men that can't get it any other way they are supporting both a longer life and healthy immune system if they are safe about it. It also releases endorphins which help with depression.

It's like going to see a special doctor.

A sex doctor!

There was a time I was against it but I ask myself why.

The answer was stupid, "because society tells me it's bad".

So I took notes on the good and bad. It turned out that it had health benefits and was quite harmless if done safely.

I mean for one it promotes a longer life.

You don't have sex you release less endorphins and males don't get the testosterone boost that has a chemical to help the immune system. It's natures way of saying "if you don't do your job (try and reproduce) then I don't need you here."

Sex is an act of love no matter how you look at it (except rape). It's human contact that causes a "love sensation". It's not being in love but either way love is a beautiful thing.

You can make love without "being in love". There should be an emotion that goes with it though whenever you commit an act of love period. That isn't a bad thing though and the emotion should be happy. It's not a filthy emotion like some females are forced into feeling thanks to what society has forced people to conform to.

If you use protection the chances are much lower of getting and STD and in some cases it's obvious if the person has one. You don't "have to sleep with them". If you get that type of job you should get tested frequently just to make sure nothing happened. While it may not be likely if you are safe it could happen. I am sure you would be aware of that when choosing the job.

Most of the time broken condoms and unwanted pregnancy are due to operator error and stupidity. Take the pill and use a condom, you will never get pregnant. Don't "double up on condoms". It's called friction and they will break. There are plenty of married people and prostitutes that never get an STD or pregnant on accident and use proper protection. Accidents can happen but the chances are very slim if you're smart about it.

If it wasn't illegal there could be more involved in making it a perfectly safe job but that is not the case. The fact that it is illegal in a sense supports the spread of STD's between the people that are not smart about it. If it were to be legalized there could be more standards. Such as requirements that both the whores and customers have been tested within a certain amount of time.

A few more points I would like to make after some more research. First of all discriminating against whores because of their choice is no better than racism. They have chosen a job that in almost all of the US except some parts of Nevada is illegal based on religious ideas even though we have "freedom of religion". Due to this they must work in a atmosphere where people are looking down on them because it's considered filthy. The intolerance is damaging and can result in other illegal activities that are harmful such as drugs. Statistically speaking the highest drug use rate for prostitutes is with street prostitutes. Thanks to anti prostitution laws they most likely are working on the street for a pimp that takes most of their money; therefore, the laws are supporting a increase in drug usage, psychological abuse, and an unsafe atmosphere in a drug friendly environment which will create a even larger risk of spreading STD's. Most prostitutes practice safe sex and the statistics for STD's from prostitution are about 3-5%. The highest rate is among teens (30-35%) that don't practice safe sex and are not as careful. It's more likely that you will get an STD from thinking you can "trust someone" than it is by having safe sex.

Statistically, the majority of house prostitutes feel better about themselves after becoming prostitutes. This is for those that say "only women with low self-esteem and other problems get involved in stuff like that". No, I hate to burst you bubble but I have known some people that did either nude modeling, stripping, and even a couple whores. Most of them (except my sons mom) were happy about themselves and were wonderful, friendly people to be around.

Making it illegal supports physical and sexual abuse because they cannot report it due to fear. Many of them are raped multiple times, many abused by clients. People know they will not report these things and because of that there is a high rate of physical and sexual abuse that is supported thanks prostitution being illegal.

Making it illegal does not work in the first place and is ridiculous when it's benefits are better than it's down sides. It forces potentially good people into situations that are emotionally and physically traumatizing when illegal. The damage that people do to their fellow human being by having such strong dislike for prostitution can lead to abuse, and emotional damage. The mass brain washing of people and forcing them to take a narrow minded religious based view causes nothing but pain and suffering for their fellow human being.

These are people, people that could be happy and live good healthy lives if it was just for a little acceptance. Discriminating against them is in my opinion sick. The proof is in the areas that it's accepted. Most of those prostitutes are happy and living productive lives. They aren't on the streets involved in drugs and spreading STD's like the simple minded majority of America has forced them to do.

I also would like to add that I was surprised to discover many feminist are against prostitution. Since they want equality I thought they would be for it. Males can be and are prostitutes as well. Also, female prostitutes have rejected that double standard of being trash for sleeping with many men while a man can be great for having multiple partners. So just a little message I want to give to any feminist that think that way. These prostitutes have sex with many people just as many men do. They are more equal sexually than you could ever imagine being. If you want equality don't expect men to conform to your ideas about sex. Suck it up and conform to theirs or stop complaining.

resource for some of my statistics, (Prostitution should be legal: the statistics prove it || kuro5hin.org

I know some will say it ruins relationships. If people are going to screw around behind their loved ones back not having whores wont change that. The person should not belong in a relationship and it's not the prostitutes fault. The blame is on the idiot sleeping around. They are doing the person a favor if their other finds out by showing them the the true colors of the person they are with. If someone I was dating screwed a whore I would thank the whore for showing me I needed to end the relationship.

Also, Pimps are a cause of a lot of abuse and getting rid of them would be good. I had a close friend whose cousin was picked up by one when she was 15. They do not always treat the girls well and can be very physically and emotionally abusive. My old friends cousin was trained until she was 18 and constantly moving around. They basically often pick up young girls on the street with no place to go.

In a legal environment as I talked about earlier there can be safe places for it. There already are some where it's legal. The girls are tested and the men at least have to clean themselves up first. There is always a risk of STD's but it is very small in a controlled environment. I don't know the details on this part but just for the sake of argument they wouldn't have to accept any men. If someone has an apparent STD or looks like they just walked off the streets and were obviously loaded up on drugs they could say no. They can keep some form of etiquette in a area like that.

Sure, some people may think that's all they can do. Much better to put them in a safer environment than let the roam the streets and be abused. At least then if they want to move away from it they are not damaged like they would have been on the streets. In a harsh environment they are more likely to never recover from being abused or even escape a pimp if they have one and that's not the career they want long term. You can't always just "leave a pimp" because depending on who it is you could find yourself in a body bag.

In a better and well controlled environment the chances of someone that would not want it long term moving onto something else are much higher. Someone that may have ended up abused, controlled, and on drugs may turn out a wonderful person. I look at it this way because I actually care about people and if they have a chance want whats good for them.

Get rid of the pimps and make it legal. Then they have nobody to train and the people working want to be there and can walk away.

Also, By safe environment I don't mean they would walk around at night if that's what you think. Whore houses for lack of a better word is what would be a safe place but it's not a trashy place. It would be like walking into a place that has various rooms and people there that look over everything.

Like the bunny ranch.

Bunny Ranch Home Page

Just take a look, check out the FAQ's or whatever. It's a fun friendly environment.

I hope posting that didn't break the rules....

If so go ahead and delete it. I just did it for the sake of debate.

Obviously the legal age would be would be 18.

I think at first some would stay with the pimp out of fear maybe or if they are used to it. Doing it off the streets though would be much better. I think even if it were legal they would still have to work in a place of employment. You are offering a service for cash. Is it not required when you have a job that some money be taken out for taxes? That will take out a lot less money than most pimps as well. Maybe I'm wrong but I think it legally would have to work that way because of how things are even now.

So, they can work for a pimp that takes almost all their money and abuses them or go to a pleasant environment where they can do their job legally. I think those facts alone would clean up what goes on greatly. Even if a few do make the choice to stick with the streets then oh well. You can't help people if they wont help themselves given the chance. Better to help many be removed from that atmosphere than none.

Even if someone is against the act I would like to think making the world a better and more friendly place is worth it. It may not fit your morals but nobody is forcing you to see one or become one. They are human and believe it or not these very people that some people are being so cold to are sometimes very giving and caring people. Yes I know, for a lot of people it's hard to grasp that but I know. I have been friends with a couple and will admit, some are bad people. That can go for any group. Others are amazing, caring, loving, all around good people. When you see someone you care about abused. Someone that has been there for you and others it's not a happy thing. No good person deserves that and if there is a way to change it I am all for it just to make the world a better place.

Locketart · Post by **Locketart** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:30 am

I didn't read your whole post but I saw Bunny Ranch. They charge like a grand for one hour. Bullshit.

BloodEngel · Post by **BloodEngel** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:32 am

lol, it's long and I hope the link didn't break any rules but it's for the sake of debate. Anyway I look forward to hearing some replies after people read it.

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:39 am

A couple of points from me.

First of all i fail to see "why" someone would go to a prostitute at all. For me sex should be the ultimate expression of love, saying to someone "im committed to you in such a way that i am willing to expose everything there is to me about you". It shouldn't be something that simply happens because someone is horny. Note that these morals aren't based on religion like you hinted at, im a heavy atheist. ( as you can clearly see im a virgin )

With that being said if someone wishes to do this kind of thing i do agree that it should be legalized or at the very last be done in a much safer environment. If that kind of act is to happen i would much rather people be safe doing it.

Nice post, it was an interesting read

Zypher · Post by **Zypher** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:46 am

i didnt read this whole thread but i like when they send nude pictures to me.

BloodEngel · Post by **BloodEngel** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:50 am

Thanks and I do understand your point of view. If someone wants to keep sex sacred I am not going to argue with that. We each have our own set of morals and that's what make us unique. The problem comes when people want to force their morals about sex onto others.

CrimsonNuker · Post by **CrimsonNuker** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:03 am

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:19 am

BloodEngel wrote:Thanks and I do understand your point of view. If someone wants to keep sex sacred I am not going to argue with that. We each have our own set of morals and that's what make us unique. The problem comes when people want to force their morals about sex onto others.

Thats the problem with idealism, it aint pratical. The magority of the time its nearly impossible to finds a balance between peoples morals.

Make prostitution legal and your accepting the mindset and ideas of people like yourself, who can see the economic and safety benifets of legalizing it. Though on the otherhand it offends the religious or highly moraled people who dont believe sex should ever occur before marriage, that all of this is sacriage etc.

So as a soloution they say its illegal, pretend they are eliminating it and just acknoweldging the fact that it occurs. Even still this is a terrible balance.

In essence, idealism sucks.

At the people not wanting to read it, just do it. Its a nice read. Hes ideas are thought out and justified, its worth the read.

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:32 am

i fuckin lol'd at all the words
then i scrolled down and read that no one read either.

TOloseGT · Post by **TOloseGT** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:43 am

very nice post, i agree with you 100%, so u won't find much discussion outta me. however, just to point out something. if u live in the u.s. (i assume u do) then u'll know that we're actually thinking about banning gay marriage and have already banned stem cell research. now the first part is just ridiculous. i'm not gonna turn this into a religious debate, so i'm gonna leave it at that. banning stem cell research though is the dumbest shit move and all cuz of dumb retards that are too caught up in their precious morals.

when u'r talking to us about morals, u've lost from the get go. person A could care less while person B starts up a shit storm.

BloodEngel · Post by **BloodEngel** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:01 am

Yes, I am from the US and do agree with the things you said as well. Just like you said though about not turning it into a religious debate. I really don't want to turn it into that either.

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:10 am

Big problem, most prostitutes don't do want to be prostitutes, instead they are cheated and trafficked into other countries and pretty much forced into being sex workers.

Post by **Doron** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:50 am

wow wow wow, what is this??

First I read whores, then I see a Farking story the size of Shindler's List...

that's like, a black whole. when it's about whores it should be short, not that long..

DeathBeforeDishonor · Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:02 am

Scum of the earth. Selling thier body and innocence.
Yucky, spreading STD's and STI's but hey, they will
die of aids soon enough. Hopefully anyways.

Pan_Raider(`_´) · Post by **Pan_Raider(`_´)** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:35 am

DeathBeforeDishonor wrote:Scum of the earth. Selling thier body and innocence.
Yucky, spreading STD's and STI's but hey, they will
die of aids soon enough. Hopefully anyways.

don't forget:

XuChu wrote:Big problem, most prostitutes don't do want to be prostitutes, instead they are cheated and trafficked into other countries and pretty much forced into being sex workers.

and as you said

DeathBeforeDishonor wrote:Scum of the earth. Selling thier body and innocence.
Yucky, spreading STD's and STI's but hey, they will
die of aids soon enough. Hopefully anyways.

That is a fact, but it the scum you are referring to also includes Business managers, Chair men, Secretarys and all sorts of business people who can't afford to make mistakes in business but can surely afford a fück up in their private lives...

Those kind of people who are actaully trustworthy people(or supposed to be)

latest one here in germany was the Volkswagen case, where the whole board invited lofty whores to pleasure themselves... all at the expense of the firms income

The scum you are referring to originates from all levels of society even if the numbers decrease going towards the wealthy people.
It could be almost anyone

DeathBeforeDishonor · Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:39 pm

I do agree with you about those rich buisness men hiring prostitutes and
such. It's funny how power and wealth messes with you. Our greed will
sureley end this race eventually. It's pretty lame.

BloodEngel · Post by **BloodEngel** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:43 pm

Did any of the last few people to post even read this? I would give some more input but I already covered the area of STD's in my post. The conditions many of them live in I wouldn't consider "greed". I'm not going to go to repeat myself over again though as I don't like repeating myself.

Also and for the "they will die soon enough, hopefully comment". It's bad enough wishing death on them but it's even worse if you bothered looking at how some of them are picked up by pimps at a young age and put on the street to work when they turn 18 which you would have known if you did any reading. I think most people have enough humanity not to wish death on children. I hope that was sarcasm, really.

Verfo · Post by **Verfo** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:49 pm

no it should not be legalized, they're whores, they CHOOSE to do this and they must pay the consuiqences.

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:12 pm

Verfo wrote:no it should not be legalized, they're whores, they CHOOSE to do this and they must pay the consuiqences.

A rich man buys a young thailand child from her mother, offers to give her a life of luxury but ends up forcing her into prostitution. This is an incredibly common practice in a lot of third world countries.

Choice? Did you even bother reading the post? If you have any sort of sense you would realize half the time there is no choice, its either do it or die.

Verfo · Post by **Verfo** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:22 pm

tedtwilliger wrote:
Verfo wrote:no it should not be legalized, they're whores, they CHOOSE to do this and they must pay the consuiqences.

A rich man buys a young thailand child from her mother, offers to give her a life of luxury but ends up forcing her into prostitution. This is an incredibly common practice in a lot of third world countries.

Choice? Did you even bother reading the post? If you have any sort of sense you would realize half the time there is no choice, its either do it or die.

i just skimmed the post.

and they are going to die anyways from an std =/

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:27 pm

Die a slow, emotionally painful death or die from starvation. Great choice isn't it?

Awataurus · Post by **Awataurus** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:30 pm

I hate Much reading

0l3n · Post by **0l3n** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:30 pm

Verfo wrote:no it should not be legalized, they're whores, they CHOOSE to do this and they must pay the consuiqences.

Ehm... most of them get forced at a young age.

Verfo · Post by **Verfo** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:31 pm

tedtwilliger wrote:Die a slow, emotionally painful death or die from starvation. Great choice isn't it?

but no one in the US should be like that, its very easy to get a job even with no ssn, but if your talking about 3rd world country then =/

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:35 pm

Because the center of the universe revolves around the US, doesn't it? Screw the rest of the world, as long as the US is happy and wealthy than nothing else matters >_>

Theres a world outside your fucking country

arg, americans.

Verfo · Post by **Verfo** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:38 pm

wut are you talking about?
i just said if they are in america, then they could get a job easly
if they're not then they should consider all their options first then if nothing works they can do that.

and iam not american

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:42 pm

My point is you naturally assumed this guy is talking about american law to legislate and you make the assumption that all whores have choice just because "american whores" do.

Dam if there needs to be enforced legislation anywhere it needs to be the third world countries where people have no choice, no human rights and no say in their lives. Hell a large factor of the aids epidemic is due to this kind of crap going on. If action is going to be taken it needs to be there.

edit

Verfo wrote:but no one in the US should be like that, its very easy to get a job even

A 12 year old girl is sexually abused by her parents, bashed by her father and runs away from home. Shes too afraid to report the incident and has no where to go. A pimp takes her in, treats her with a bit of luxury for a few days than persuades her to be a prostitute. If she refuses she ends up in a body bag much like the topic starter explained.

Even americans can get screwed over by life at times.

Verfo · Post by **Verfo** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:48 pm

tedtwilliger wrote:My point is you naturally assumed this guy is talking about american law to legislate and you make the assumption that all whores have choice just because "american whores" do.

Dam if there needs to be enforced legislation anywhere it needs to be the third world countries where people have no choice, no human rights and no say in their lives. Hell a large factor of the aids epidemic is due to this kind of crap going on. If action is going to be taken it needs to be there.

Yes, i agree with you, but its not happening, maybe if Obama, or Mccain become president, the can change it, because bassicaly they're the only that can, and Then those 3rd world country should also take part of that blame, maybe they think before having 9 kids.

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:53 pm

..how would an american president change legislation in another country?

>_>

And take responsibility for having kids? Having some jerk come along and raping you and then being forced to try and raise a kid is hardly their fault, right?

Verfo · Post by **Verfo** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:55 pm

tedtwilliger wrote:..how would an american president change legislation in another country?

>_>

And take responsibility for having kids? Having some jerk come along and raping you and then being forced to try and raise a kid is hardly their fault, right?

um they're the only one have enough power and money to do that, and iam not talking about rape, iam talking about a husband and wife, who bassicaly have 5+ kids.

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