Fire imbue much weaker than lightning.

Billion · Post by **Billion** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:49 pm

Now, i'm a level 70 nuker on Oasis. A guildmate told me to replace my lightning imbue with the fire one because it caused much more damage.
So I took a look at the numbers, and yes, it should do much more damage.

I took the fire book to third book max, just like the lightning. Got a guild mate to help me test it, I nuked him about 30 times with the fire imbue. About 10% of the nukes would hit around the same as a lightning imbue nuke. The other 90% would hit WAY less, I mean significantly less (2-3k less), I was shocked, hence the testing it with 30+ nukes. Now, i'm using an sos spear with 211 attack rating and 1400+ max mag attack (112% int balance). I should have been hitting almost my max everytime with an attack rating like that. There shouldn't have been such huge differences with the fire imbue.

So I'd just like to share with everyone that the lightning imbue it much superior (Because of the split second shock status which reduces parry ratio), feel free to argue. But I did many tests, heuksal and nukes. Just letting all you other nukers know.

WindSlicer · Post by **WindSlicer** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:52 pm

I'm a young nuker (lv 31) but last night I also switched over from my lightning to fire imbue and I am pretty sure my damage suffered. I wasn't gonna say anything because maybe it evens out in the end, but now I'm kinda sad that I switched heh.

Bakemaster · Post by **Bakemaster** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:03 pm

Have you tested it on someone who's immune to electric shock?

Sin · Post by **Sin** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:08 pm

The damage output of your fire imbue may also be less than your lightning imbue because of a discrepancy in your lightning and fire levels. Remember that you get a 1% damage increase for every level, so take that into consideration.

Bakemaster · Post by **Bakemaster** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:11 pm

And it may not merely be 1% final damage taken by your enemy; if it's 1% to damage earlier in the calculation it may end up to be 5% or more effective damage against an enemy.

PB_and_J · Post by **PB_and_J** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:16 pm

Plus you are forgetting the burn damage that lightning does not posses.

Nimko · Post by **Nimko** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:18 pm

what is the lvl of your fire and light skills? stilll if light is higher i cant see 1-2% more doing around 3k more damage

Billion · Post by **Billion** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:22 pm

My fire, ice, and water are all level 61. But none the less, lightning is still much better.

Sin · Post by **Sin** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:25 pm

Billion wrote:My fire, ice, and water are all level 61. But none the less, lightning is still much better.

lol

JackB4u3r · Post by **JackB4u3r** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:29 pm

Billion wrote:My fire, ice, and water are all level 61. But none the less, lightning is still much better.

lol

Maybe you mean force??? Water does not exist

Billion · Post by **Billion** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:39 pm

BAH. Lightning. =P I meant lightning.

Was talking on vent about water elements, just happened. x_x

AllEyezOnMe · Post by **AllEyezOnMe** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:46 pm

For 1k silk I can test this theory for you

I got fire 65, lightning 61. If I find a way to get enough SP I will test it out.

damastergen326 · Post by **damastergen326** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:49 pm

are you serious? I just switched and deleveled my lovely lightning imbue in favor of fire as well :shock:

WindSlicer · Post by **WindSlicer** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:35 pm

My lightning and fire masteries are equal also.

Pfft @ fire

But I figure that I'm gonna want a non AOE imbue for future anyways, so meh

kitary · Post by **kitary** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:36 pm

i love this topic =)

Leonidus · Post by **Leonidus** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:12 pm

my last character i changed from lightiong to fire around lvl 40 becuz "fire is so much more powerful..." or so everyone told me.

now the buffs and passives that go along with fire are great, but as for the imbues i was doing at lvl 43 around 400-500 less damage on every kind of attack using fire - switching to fire was a terrible decision and the character never really recovered

Devotia · Post by **Devotia** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:20 pm

Soul Fire Force at lvl 69 does 351~584 or an avg of 467.5.
Thunder Dragon Force at lvl 69 does 286~429 or an avg of 357.5 (25% less)

If you're only hitting a couple of times (eg nuker), fire is far and away the best force. If you're going to be hitting more often, (eg str) lightning does less damage until the effect takes hold. However, since a str user is most likely maxing fire anyway for the buffs, it's still a tossup. That said, once everyone at high lvls is immune to all 3 forces, fire is the best, hands down.

br0ken · Post by **br0ken** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:22 pm

wait soooo...fire imbue does less damage overall than lightening imbue? Is this only with the use of nukes (Imbue+Nuke=Damage) or with weapons as well?

~.~ this is awesome thread coz I started a new char, and so far I only have 1 for fire imbue

=D phew not much sp wasted there

damastergen326 · Post by **damastergen326** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:41 pm

rawr only about 500k and hours and hours of grinding curst hearts to recycle 80% sp and delevel a stronger imbue. :banghead:

moley · Post by **moley** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:59 pm

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait WAIT!

Light > Fire???

SHIT!

Draquish · Post by **Draquish** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:12 pm

already knew that

lightning=nuker cold=bow and fire=strenght

every1 knows that! :roll:

pingpongboss · Post by **pingpongboss** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:26 pm

draquish wrote:already knew that lightning=nuker cold=bow and fire=strenght

every1 knows that!

lightning = attract mobs = pure int nuker dies

every1 knows that! :wink:

WindSlicer · Post by **WindSlicer** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:29 pm

Heck I think I'm just gonna farm a bit extra and get both.

PB_and_J · Post by **PB_and_J** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:30 pm

draquish wrote:already knew that lightning=nuker cold=bow and fire=strenght

every1 knows that!

bow = fire/lightning as it will kill the mob befor it even reaches you, everyone knows that

Shimohime · Post by **Shimohime** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:40 pm

PB_and_J wrote:
draquish wrote:already knew that lightning=nuker cold=bow and fire=strenght

every1 knows that!

bow = fire/lightning as it will kill the mob befor it even reaches you, everyone knows that

Not really, ice for bow may not be so good in pvp, but ice bow is still good for pve.

Devotia · Post by **Devotia** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:04 pm

Sword and blade users get to use shields too. Everybody knows that.

rainbow · Post by **rainbow** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:22 pm

thats because lightning reduce parry ratio , and i m a lightning glavier i can pown a fire one

Billion · Post by **Billion** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:18 am

Devotia wrote:Soul Fire Force at lvl 69 does 351~584 or an avg of 467.5.
Thunder Dragon Force at lvl 69 does 286~429 or an avg of 357.5 (25% less)

If you're only hitting a couple of times (eg nuker), fire is far and away the best force. If you're going to be hitting more often, (eg str) lightning does less damage until the effect takes hold. However, since a str user is most likely maxing fire anyway for the buffs, it's still a tossup. That said, once everyone at high lvls is immune to all 3 forces, fire is the best, hands down.

Right in a logical sense. But completely wrong on the battlefield.

As I said, it was the clear decision to go with fire. But it does MUCH less than the lightning imbue. I thoroughly tested both before I purchased more skill re-allocation potions.

SSS and Ghost spear did less with fire, and so did nukes. VERY noticable.

That decrease in parry ratio must be huge, it definitely makes a difference.

badKarma · Post by **badKarma** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:32 am

So for a hybrid nuker.....

Lightning imbue + nukes is the way to go? With a second fire nuke as support? And ditch the fire imbue...

I'm rather confused.

Nimko · Post by **Nimko** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:41 am

does this apply to str 2 :shock:

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