Hey, Quick question Bout the diffrence of... and ...

[Phix]

Multiclient

And

Having 2 pc's with sro on it..


Oke well just recently i bought a laptop +-1 week ago, my desktop is 2 crappy to play silkroad normally on it but i can log on make it trace my better char and then get p0werleveld bij myself.

so my question is it against the rules to p0werlevel your own character with your own higher level character (by hand obviously) if its on 2 computers?

and if so,

why is it allowed if you have 2 computers to p0werlevel yourself but it isnt allowed on SRF to use a multiclient while having one good computer.. ^^

Im not supporting anything. i was just wondering. since its basically the same thing, like i have 2 computers i log them both on, -2 server slots,

while if i had multiclient
i log both on, -2 server slots.

NO THIS IS NOT ABOUT HAVING A MULTICLIENT TO BOT YOURSELF UP CUZ THATS JUST LAME,

Thx for answers. no flaming plix, ooh and no banning plix ^^

[B-Ace]

Well a good question i dont get it either...
I still dont get it that ppl arent allowed to talk about Multiclient or ZoomHack etc.
Well Goldbotter sux and normal botters are "sometimes" annoying..well some of them bot cause they are lazy or some ppl just bot because they dont have much time to play and they want to reach the cap..
There are many reasons and some i can understand and some not !
In my Opinion some small tools like ZoomHack or Multiclient arent that worse.. you can either Multiclient or just use 2 PCs its the same isnt it ?

WORST are only the Goldbotters which make the Server traffic..

Obviously botting is against the rules of Joymax so ppl arent allowed to talk about it or to give bots away..
BUT privat servers arent allowed either are they ?
So why is it still ok here to talk about Privat server ?
IMO its illegal 2.

But well just my opinion lol

To make it clear: IM NOT SUPPORTING ANY BOTTERS/SCRIPTKIDDIES

I just want someone to explain me why some illegal stuff can be disgust and some not also if its almost the same thing

ILLEGAL = ILLEGAL so i dont get it why ppl are allowed to talk about privat servers etc

[Sovereign]

I believe SRF has a problem with MC as it is a 3rd party program, and thats against Joymax's Terms and Conditions.
However 2 computers should technically be legal.

[Phix]

I believe SRF has a problem with MC as it is a 3rd party program, and thats against Joymax's Terms and Conditions.
However 2 computers should technically be legal.

2 computers is legal, and if it isnt ill just put my little sister behind the computer and tell her to follow me lol.. >_>

anyway. its basically the same multiclient or 2 computers. thats why its weird XD

[JKMB]

anyway. its basically the same multiclient or 2 computers. thats why its weird XD

No, it is not the same, multiclient interfers with the normal sro client, aside from various security risks that come with using it, its not intended for use by Joymax, and is made by a person reverse engineering the client and modifying it, which is illegal which ever way you choose to look at it, that and the fact its compatable with certain bots, is why it is banned, afaik.
EDIT: Just to make it clear why its banned, multi client is orginaly a function exclusive to certain types of bots, the fact it has been disected and re-worked into the orginal client, means thats equivlient to using a bot or the functions of one, the same way that using auto-pot was a bot function to start with..

[Nitro]

I believe SRF has a problem with MC as it is a 3rd party program, and thats against Joymax's Terms and Conditions.
However 2 computers should technically be legal.

2 computers is legal, and if it isnt ill just put my little sister behind the computer and tell her to follow me lol.. >_>

Trace Ftw?

[BloodyBlade]

I believe SRF has a problem with MC as it is a 3rd party program, and thats against Joymax's Terms and Conditions.
However 2 computers should technically be legal.

2 computers is legal, and if it isnt ill just put my little sister behind the computer and tell her to follow me lol.. >_>

Trace Ftw?

omg, did you even read his first post? >,>

[B-Ace]

And why is nobody answering my question ? xD
Talking about privat server is allowed but MC and other Stuff end with a bann lol
What a stupid reason must hide behind this conclusion ? o.O
It's weird either go a full legal way or just let it be ._.

[Phix]

well im going to bed g'night guys, discuss it overnight and ill read tomorrow at collage ^^

peace

[Insanity]

i dont think there's a problem with it. 2 computers are 2 slots, multi-client is 2 slots. but the reason that SRF has to be against it is because that if they say yes to Multi-client then people are gonna wonder why not no DC as well. and then eventually it will become, why not bots?

I DONT USE MULTI-CLIENT....

[dom]

Before anyone else says anything. Saying

I DONT BELIEVE IN WHAT I JUST SAID

isn't a form of protection from bot support. If you blatantly come out and support bots, you will face warnings, temporary bans, and bans (in the case of bot support it's a ban).

Discussion is healthy, but lets not straddle the line of what is accepted.

[JKMB]

And why is nobody answering my question ? xD
Talking about privat server is allowed but MC and other Stuff end with a bann lol
What a stupid reason must hide behind this conclusion ? o.O
It's weird either go a full legal way or just let it be ._.

I said why in my post, harmless pk2 edits are allowed because pretending to be lvl100 never hurt anyone, where as seeing stealth does, also pServers ARNT allowed, except for the SRA private server, which is rly their bussiness and not SRF's..

[B-Ace]

And why is nobody answering my question ? xD
Talking about privat server is allowed but MC and other Stuff end with a bann lol
What a stupid reason must hide behind this conclusion ? o.O
It's weird either go a full legal way or just let it be ._.

I said why in my post, harmless pk2 edits are allowed because pretending to be lvl100 never hurt anyone, where as seeing stealth does, also pServers ARNT allowed, except for the SRA private server, which is rly their bussiness and not SRF's..

Yeah Stealth hacks destroy the gameplay.. it is like making a skill useless..
And my main point ist PServers arent allowed but its still allowed here to discuss about it and what kind of PServer exist even where to get it imo...
Whats the Point of allowing PServers but not other illegal stuff ?

As is said befor Illegal = Illegal..
So either keep this Forum legal and forbid Stuff about PServers or just let ppl talk about MC and other stuff..
I still dont get the point ._.
This sux ball lol

AGAIN: Im not supporting Botters/Scriptkiddies
I just want that someone give me a good reason and explain me why PServers are allowed to talk about

They dont hurt anybody..so ZoomHack and MC doesnt either

[JKMB]

Well prolly cuz the only private server that is allowed to be talked about here is ECSRO, which is the Avalon legit private server where as other pServers may allow / support botting, as for stealth pk2 edits, that is banned to discuss here
EDIT: I see your point, but the reason that harmless "illegal" things are allowed on SRF is because the rules here are diffrent to the offical joymax ToS, SRF is aimed towards fair play, bots, MC, certain pk2 edits unbalance game play

[tedtwilliger]

1. Multiclients are typically made my botting companies. As people go to download one chances are they will download a bot while they are at it. People who lose the willpower to log in will more than likely lose the willpower to grind.
2. Its against the TOS, simple enough

In all honesty i would be careful when using 2 pcs. If the stupid stories people are spreading around turn about to be correct, its possible to get banned for having the same ip one two characters. Thus, using a second computer to powerlevel could result in a ban.

[nightbloom]

Well prolly cuz the only private server that is allowed to be talked about here is ECSRO, which is the Avalon legit private server where as other pServers may allow / support botting, as for stealth pk2 edits, that is banned to discuss here
EDIT: I see your point, but the reason that harmless "illegal" things are allowed on SRF is because the rules here are diffrent to the offical joymax ToS, SRF is aimed towards fair play, bots, MC, certain pk2 edits unbalance game play

WOW, JUST WOW!

ECSRO isnt Avalon's or SRA's. SRA (Cruor and THC) made an easy installer for the client so that our users could play easier, that is all. Cruor used that to test how to change certain things in the client in case we needed it someday, that is why it says SRA at the beginning. We just got tired of answering the same questions over and over tbh.

The party list alteration when you post in the match, that was just free advertising for SRA. ^^

[B-Ace]

Well prolly cuz the only private server that is allowed to be talked about here is ECSRO, which is the Avalon legit private server where as other pServers may allow / support botting, as for stealth pk2 edits, that is banned to discuss here
EDIT: I see your point, but the reason that harmless "illegal" things are allowed on SRF is because the rules here are diffrent to the offical joymax ToS, SRF is aimed towards fair play, bots, MC, certain pk2 edits unbalance game play

The last one was a good point "Fair Play"
Even it is against Joymax to talk about PServers.
But doesnt it make SRF to a victim for Joymax if they find out that SRF is supporting PServers which take the Costumers away from Joymax so they cant make profit anymore ?
So its illegal after all.

Im for "Fair Play" aswell it sux Balls if someone has pk2 edit and see invisible.. thats totally unfair.
But ZoomHack and MC arent that bad IMO.
Ppl with a crappy PC have a low Resolution so through Zoomhack it might help them a bit.
ZoomHack.. i dont get the Point why ZoomHack destroy the Gameplay..it might help you only on hunting Unique but not that great... even a dumb player can use his map to see a purple point ..
And MC well MC give those ppl a chance who dont have a second PC at home so they can transfer stuff and plvl themself (on a non-botting way)

Some tools that give only ppl who are in disadvantage the chance to become equal to the rest..
PServers have also the same concept... ECSRO give ppl the chance to get a high lvler and try their builds etc.

Hope someone get my points lmao xD

[PureStr]

2 comps is ok, as long as its not "ur little brother" playing.

[_Shinigami_]

2 computers is okay

MC is just as bad a botting.
we have enough gold bots in servers,
we dont need more users crowding the servers.

Babel = Fail =(

[KoRniziWa]

lol, there is a difference

not everyone has 2pcs, so most legit players only use 1 server spot.

if it were allowed, everyone would have 2-3chars running, and theres less place for real players...

well thats why multi is lame and your not a fair legit player if you use it

[Necrobat]

Multi-clienting is not allowed because it's a modified client. Modified client = against Joymax's ToS. Most multi-clients also come with zoomhacks, stealth hacks etc etc built into them. ALSO against Joymax's ToS.

Nowhere in the ToS does it say you can't use two computers.

THAT is the difference. One gets you banned, one doesn't.

[penfold1992]

ok.... say we allow multiclienting...

you hav 2pc's therefore deserve the right to multiclient 2 clients....

how many people would say "ill stay by the rules and only multiclient ONE other sro..." my arse people would just go.... "8man party ftw!"

zoomhack and multiclient tools often come with bots and that is why they arnt aloud either, they hav the client altered.

[Sovereign]

Omg. I can't believe this thread is still being dragged on.

According to the rules of SRF and the TOC from Joymax.
- MC is ILLEGAL due to it being a 3rd party program, which itself can only be created by reversing the sro_client, which is also ILLEGAL.

- Using 2 computers which are running 1 client each, is perfectly legal.


As for why SRF allows posts about private servers, in particular ECSRO.
Well technically they shouldn't allow it as stated here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86072.

However maybe people are more lenient towards ECSRO as the GM's are 100% against bots and they are trying to make it as much of a legit server as possible, even though they sell silk, sp and pimped weapons for real cash, which again breaks joymax's TOC.

Well enough for my little grumble, hope that shines a light towards so of you...

[nightbloom]

As for why SRF allows posts about private servers, in particular ECSRO.
Well technically they shouldn't allow it as stated here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86072.

However maybe people are more lenient towards ECSRO as the GM's are 100% against bots and they are trying to make it as much of a legit server as possible, even though they sell silk, sp and pimped weapons for real cash, which again breaks joymax's TOC.

Ummm ECSRO doesnt have to follow JM's TOS, they are a private server. SRF allows posts about ECSRO because they only sell their OWN gold and sp and weaps, etc. The first private server that was available, MHTC, was released by a gold selling company. They sold gold for both their own server and iSRO on the same site. So it wasnt welcome here on SRF.

[loveisintheair]

If you don't agree with something here (bot, MC, zoomhack, etc), nobody forces you to "discuss" it before usage.

If you want to use it... use it, and don't mention it here. You’re in-game "behavior" does not affect your presence here (unless of course you have the irresistible urge to post something that by this board’s rules would be “self-incriminating”).

[CloudStrider]

1. Multiclients are typically made my botting companies. As people go to download one chances are they will download a bot while they are at it. People who lose the willpower to log in will more than likely lose the willpower to grind.
2. Its against the TOS, simple enough

In all honesty i would be careful when using 2 pcs. If the stupid stories people are spreading around turn about to be correct, its possible to get banned for having the same ip one two characters. Thus, using a second computer to powerlevel could result in a ban.

With some cutting, --

1. Multiclients are typically made my botting companies

Some more cutting --

my botting companies

OFMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ted is running the Gold buying industry!

OnT -- MC is frowned upon and a bannable offence because it is against JM's ToS, simple.

[Ayoki]

As for why SRF allows posts about private servers, in particular ECSRO.
Well technically they shouldn't allow it as stated here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86072.

However maybe people are more lenient towards ECSRO as the GM's are 100% against bots and they are trying to make it as much of a legit server as possible, even though they sell silk, sp and pimped weapons for real cash, which again breaks joymax's TOC.

Ummm ECSRO doesnt have to follow JM's TOS, they are a private server. SRF allows posts about ECSRO because they only sell their OWN gold and sp and weaps, etc. The first private server that was available, MHTC, was released by a gold selling company. They sold gold for both their own server and iSRO on the same site. So it wasnt welcome here on SRF.

ahh now I understand
So somehow getting server files from err dont ask me from where and making your own server without having anything to do with the real JM is perfectly fine with Joymax and their TOS Im so glad its allowed to steal software

[tedtwilliger]

With some cutting, --

1. Multiclients are typically made my botting companies

Some more cutting --

my botting companies

OFMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ted is running the Gold buying industry!

OnT -- MC is frowned upon and a bannable offence because it is against JM's ToS, simple.

hahahahahahaha

oh yes i run a successful botting company, all your bots belong to me!

[Nitro]

2 computers is okay

MC is just as bad a botting.
we have enough gold bots in servers,
we dont need more users crowding the servers.

Babel = Fail =(

2 Computers = 1 Computer with 2 Clients ...
Same thing if we look at "Server Traffic" ...

Let me ask you a question ... If I had alot of cash, and have 200 computers at home, and powerlevel my noobs,
stalling, tracing to increase my SP etc.. etc...

Would that be okay too? So the rich people in RL, have advantage over poor ones?
Great...

[IZerkNoobz]

Article 5 (Definition of Hacking)

1. Hacking shall mean acquisition and use of other's computerized information without permission. Hacking includes the following actions:
① Creating a new function that can harm the system
② Illegally penetrating into the information system without permission

taken from joymax user agreement.

Tell me where in that article that says its illegal to use multiclient. As far as I know. Multiclient does not hurt any systems, and its not penetrating information.

Not supporting anything, but just stating that Joymax says NOWHERE in the entire user agreement that it is illegal to bot, or use multiclient. Bots dont harm the system. They harm economy, server traffic, and other players, but does not directly damage the game.

Discuss.