How EURO characters have screwed SRO

[Detective]

Ok..i'm not here to compare chinese to euro. This topic is for only the long time sro players that remember wut jobbing/guild wars were like before EURO update.

Do u remember before EURO update came out? i mean sro was great..and EURO's completley ruined the game. period

Think of back in the day (before EURO update) when job wars/pvp/guild wars were actually fun. It was great..it all depended upon your gear and weapon. Now all that is ruined, because EUROS are over-powered with there BUFFS. I mean look at the jobbing system now, from what i've heard, in 75% of the servers when people job war/trade/etc. they use UNSUITED EUROS FOR BUFFS (which i think is cowardly and only goes 2 show how weak your char. rlly is.)

Think of how great the job wars would be with only chinese...you wouldn't have the 12yr old kids with FF lvl 90 warriors with full screens/bless/all other euro buffs talkin so much shit about how they can tank 10-20 ppl at once. This is why i think euro's have ruined the game...no matter what your gear/weapon/skill is...you can alwayz get a euro to buff you so your practically invincible.

Think back when it was only chinese, it was great...the better your stuff..the more respected you were, but not now...its whoever can get the most buffs on and tank the most ppl b/c of these BULLSHIT OVER-POWERED EURO BUFFS. Even if your chinese with a SUN+7 weapon now...you cannot take down even a FULLY EURO BUFFED wizard, which has only like 8k HP WITHOUT LIFE TURNOVER ON...but back in the day..if you had sun u were considered a GOD on the server. Now..all that means nothing..cuz Joe Blow can go out and get a euro buffer to buff them and tank as many ppl as they want.

I'm not here to say euros are pieces of shit by any means..b/c yes..they r fun 2 play with..but they are mis-used in MANY ways.

so now i would like for you to vote, have euro chars. helped or hurt SRO?

P.S. dont vote HELPED or HURT without reading what i've written below, because i know some of you will vote HELPED just b/c u like euro better than chinese or vice versa. So please..before you vote, take the time to read and comprehend what i've said below. ~ThX

As good as statistic proves, the vote is more on "helped" so you are proven wrong =p

What good is the old SRO? Totally lack of strategy and the only way to pvp is just spam 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 repeatedly and see who falls first. Now you think twice of what to do when you meet a wizard or 2 hand sword. Not to mention group battle of China/Euro are interesting as well, you got to aim for cleric first and warlocks are pain in the ass if there're no clerics around.

The complexity of game is good when Euros are introduced. Now it has become more "team" based instead of just playing alone. IMO people that prefers only chinese are more loner and doesn't like to work with anyone else and prefers just pressing 3 buttons hopping for some Crits and enemy to fall before them....

1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3 regardness of what opponents you are facing.... Omg how boring is that, I'm glad Euros came in and save SRO

[Cruor]

Which is probably why you dont realize HOW HARD IT IS to actually GET 8-10 players together in a video to play a video game, at the same time three or four days a week for a couple hours, across different timezones, age groups, housing and living situations. . .it aint EASY like the chinese where you press 23456 for 100 hours a week and expect to own face all the time and cry when you dont. . .Joymax made thsi game more close to an mmorpg than before the euro update, now people have no excuse to bot! they can level a LOT faster in a euro party than by using a bot, euros have this thing called a POT DELAY (FIFTEEN SECONDS) joymax didnt fix the jobbing "bug" because they know that everyone would pick Chinese characters and not use euro, or just use all chinese and a euro cleric or something stupid like that
you seem to not understand that the updates have been YEARS in the making, I mean the islam merchant has been in Jangan for oh well about FIVE YEARS joymax isnt stupid, they've got it all planned out since the beginning.

Yes, let's abandon half of the farking game, all Chinese are antisocial botting n00bs anyway. Hey, while we're at it we should take the marathon out of the Olympics because the teamplay and faster pace of relays make them superior events.

A server is not healthy unless it's 50/50 or 33/33/33. Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.

[Barotix]

Yea, Euros made the game much worse. Not worth playing a Chinese character anymore. JM needs to remove the Euro race or nerf them.

Of course most people are going to disagree because they are playing the Euros.

WTT 15 second potion delay for 30 second potion delay.

I doubt that would help. Most Euros end their fights before need they need to pot twice against the average Chinese player. Against a buffed Euro, there is a good chance that the average Chinese player won't be able to make them pot at all.

It appears it is time to raise the bar. If Chinese want to stand a chance against Europeans what is "pro" today must become "average" tomorrow.

[Da_Realest]

Ok..i'm not here to compare chinese to euro. This topic is for only the long time sro players that remember wut jobbing/guild wars were like before EURO update.

Do u remember before EURO update came out? i mean sro was great..and EURO's completley ruined the game. period

Think of back in the day (before EURO update) when job wars/pvp/guild wars were actually fun. It was great..it all depended upon your gear and weapon. Now all that is ruined, because EUROS are over-powered with there BUFFS. I mean look at the jobbing system now, from what i've heard, in 75% of the servers when people job war/trade/etc. they use UNSUITED EUROS FOR BUFFS (which i think is cowardly and only goes 2 show how weak your char. rlly is.)

Think of how great the job wars would be with only chinese...you wouldn't have the 12yr old kids with FF lvl 90 warriors with full screens/bless/all other euro buffs talkin so much shit about how they can tank 10-20 ppl at once. This is why i think euro's have ruined the game...no matter what your gear/weapon/skill is...you can alwayz get a euro to buff you so your practically invincible.

Think back when it was only chinese, it was great...the better your stuff..the more respected you were, but not now...its whoever can get the most buffs on and tank the most ppl b/c of these BULLSHIT OVER-POWERED EURO BUFFS. Even if your chinese with a SUN+7 weapon now...you cannot take down even a FULLY EURO BUFFED wizard, which has only like 8k HP WITHOUT LIFE TURNOVER ON...but back in the day..if you had sun u were considered a GOD on the server. Now..all that means nothing..cuz Joe Blow can go out and get a euro buffer to buff them and tank as many ppl as they want.

I'm not here to say euros are pieces of shit by any means..b/c yes..they r fun 2 play with..but they are mis-used in MANY ways.

so now i would like for you to vote, have euro chars. helped or hurt SRO?

P.S. dont vote HELPED or HURT without reading what i've written below, because i know some of you will vote HELPED just b/c u like euro better than chinese or vice versa. So please..before you vote, take the time to read and comprehend what i've said below. ~ThX

As good as statistic proves, the vote is more on "helped" so you are proven wrong =p

What good is the old SRO? Totally lack of strategy and the only way to pvp is just spam 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 repeatedly and see who falls first. Now you think twice of what to do when you meet a wizard or 2 hand sword. Not to mention group battle of China/Euro are interesting as well, you got to aim for cleric first and warlocks are pain in the ass if there're no clerics around.

The complexity of game is good when Euros are introduced. Now it has become more "team" based instead of just playing alone. IMO people that prefers only chinese are more loner and doesn't like to work with anyone else and prefers just pressing 3 buttons hopping for some Crits and enemy to fall before them....

1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3 regardness of what opponents you are facing.... Omg how boring is that, I'm glad Euros came in and save SRO

The game is only complex if you're a Euro. If you're Chinese there is no point in going for the Cleric first. The Cleric most likely has 5+ buffs that reduces damage in some form. Good luck hurting them as a Chinese character.

Also, as you said "warlocks are pain in the ass if there're no clerics around." Good job remedying the Euro problem with another Euro. A Chinese character should be just as effective but unfortunately they are not.

I think playing "alone" is why many people started playing SRO before. Unlike most MMORPGs, you didn't need anyone to take down a whole party or guild by yourself. That was fun or even if you were going to die, attempting to do so was fun. Now try that and you'll be one shotted by a rogue or wizard as a Chinese character before you know what happened. That isn't fun. If the starting SRO players wanted the generic warrior, cleric, rogue, etc. builds, there were and still are much better games that have those builds balanced correctly.

It appears it is time to raise the bar. If Chinese want to stand a chance against Europeans what is "pro" today must become "average" tomorrow.

Guess its time for me to save up a few bil to get a full sun+7 set just to barely stay competitive...

JM has to fix the problem not the players.

[Barotix]

you don't need a sun-set to rock out with your cock out.

I think playing "alone" is why many people started playing SRO before. Unlike most MMORPGs, you didn't need anyone to take down a whole party or guild by yourself. That was fun or even if you were going to die, attempting to do so was fun. Now try that and you'll be one shotted by a rogue or wizard as a Chinese character before you know what happened. That isn't fun. If the starting SRO players wanted the generic warrior, cleric, rogue, etc. builds, there were and still are much better games that have those builds balanced correctly.

Over 9000 internets for that post.

[CrimsonNuker]

Holy fuck, did nobody read my post?

[Barotix]

Holy fuck, did nobody read my post?

Your post is flawed. KTHXBAI.

[Da_Realest]

you don't need a sun-set to rock out with your cock out.

Whats the secret?

If Chinese pure str characters switch to armor, I'm pretty sure they would have no trouble against warriors and rogues anymore. However, pure int Euros would run through them. A Chinese character can get some Euro buffs and tank almost as well as a Euro character but they still won't be strong enough to kill other buffed Euro characters because they lack absolute damage attacks. Euro damage is overkill compared to a Chinese damage so Euros don't necessarily need absolute damage attacks to do an noticeable amount of damage to other buffed Euro characters.

After saying that, Euros are fine for the most part. The problem begins when you're a Chinese character facing a Euro with 1+ row of buffs.

JM should limit the amount of buffs a Euro character can have to 5. Self buffs would not be included. This would force Euro players to strategize when it comes to deciding which buffs to have instead of, "buff me with everything you got."

Or, make certain Euro buffs conflict with each other. Can't have Skins and Bless Spell on at the same time. A character can have only 2 absorb buffs, etc.

Or, under the force mastery, a skill that removes all enemy buffs in a 10.0m radius. 5min cooldown.

Or, under the force mastery, a skill that prevents a player from being buffed for a certain period of time. Maybe an AoE version in a later book.

Or..., just give Chinese characters some decent absolute damage attacks.

[Detective]

To an extend I agree the fact that most people started on SRO because of the ability to play alone with depending on anyone else... That is why those core legit players would most certainly prefer only Chinese chars. I remember the good days of blader/glaivier, being alone you can tank a group of thieves no problem with just a normal decent set. If you spend years in making a chinese char in legit way, no doubt the pinch of misery is felt when some botted Euro chars bullied you everywhere.

Sadly, gone are the days of such luxury, no such thing as tanker now. How defensive you are it takes only 1-2 shot from Euro chars to kill you. And just the same on Chinese nuker trying to take down other chars with one whole row of defensive buffs, impossible.
Those are the people that will say "oh fck, Euro have screwed SRO"

[Amarisa]

it was the player that screwed sro up even in ecsro theres retards killing low lvls then hidding in safe zone but now with euro its easyer to 1 shot people and hide

[Hustlar]

it was the player that screwed sro up even in ecsro theres retards killing low lvls then hidding in safe zone but now with euro its easyer to 1 shot people and hide

who do almost all people from Venus fail so badly in everything?

[CrimsonNuker]

*sigh* GD is stupid VIVA LA OTL.

[Bananaman]

Holy fuck, did nobody read my post?

They were mesmerized by your avatar. . . .

Pink bananaaaahhh. . .

[Nixie]

Ok..i'm not here to compare chinese to euro. This topic is for only the long time sro players that remember wut jobbing/guild wars were like before EURO update.

Do u remember before EURO update came out? i mean sro was great..and EURO's completley ruined the game. period

Think of back in the day (before EURO update) when job wars/pvp/guild wars were actually fun. It was great..it all depended upon your gear and weapon. Now all that is ruined, because EUROS are over-powered with there BUFFS. I mean look at the jobbing system now, from what i've heard, in 75% of the servers when people job war/trade/etc. they use UNSUITED EUROS FOR BUFFS (which i think is cowardly and only goes 2 show how weak your char. rlly is.)

Think of how great the job wars would be with only chinese...you wouldn't have the 12yr old kids with FF lvl 90 warriors with full screens/bless/all other euro buffs talkin so much shit about how they can tank 10-20 ppl at once. This is why i think euro's have ruined the game...no matter what your gear/weapon/skill is...you can alwayz get a euro to buff you so your practically invincible.

Think back when it was only chinese, it was great...the better your stuff..the more respected you were, but not now...its whoever can get the most buffs on and tank the most ppl b/c of these BULLSHIT OVER-POWERED EURO BUFFS. Even if your chinese with a SUN+7 weapon now...you cannot take down even a FULLY EURO BUFFED wizard, which has only like 8k HP WITHOUT LIFE TURNOVER ON...but back in the day..if you had sun u were considered a GOD on the server. Now..all that means nothing..cuz Joe Blow can go out and get a euro buffer to buff them and tank as many ppl as they want.

I'm not here to say euros are pieces of shit by any means..b/c yes..they r fun 2 play with..but they are mis-used in MANY ways.

so now i would like for you to vote, have euro chars. helped or hurt SRO?

P.S. dont vote HELPED or HURT without reading what i've written below, because i know some of you will vote HELPED just b/c u like euro better than chinese or vice versa. So please..before you vote, take the time to read and comprehend what i've said below. ~ThX

As good as statistic proves, the vote is more on "helped" so you are proven wrong =p

What good is the old SRO? Totally lack of strategy and the only way to pvp is just spam 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 repeatedly and see who falls first. Now you think twice of what to do when you meet a wizard or 2 hand sword. Not to mention group battle of China/Euro are interesting as well, you got to aim for cleric first and warlocks are pain in the ass if there're no clerics around.

The complexity of game is good when Euros are introduced. Now it has become more "team" based instead of just playing alone. IMO people that prefers only chinese are more loner and doesn't like to work with anyone else and prefers just pressing 3 buttons hopping for some Crits and enemy to fall before them....

1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3 regardness of what opponents you are facing.... Omg how boring is that, I'm glad Euros came in and save SRO

The game is only complex if you're a Euro. If you're Chinese there is no point in going for the Cleric first. The Cleric most likely has 5+ buffs that reduces damage in some form. Good luck hurting them as a Chinese character.

Also, as you said "warlocks are pain in the ass if there're no clerics around." Good job remedying the Euro problem with another Euro. A Chinese character should be just as effective but unfortunately they are not.

I think playing "alone" is why many people started playing SRO before. Unlike most MMORPGs, you didn't need anyone to take down a whole party or guild by yourself. That was fun or even if you were going to die, attempting to do so was fun. Now try that and you'll be one shotted by a rogue or wizard as a Chinese character before you know what happened. That isn't fun. If the starting SRO players wanted the generic warrior, cleric, rogue, etc. builds, there were and still are much better games that have those builds balanced correctly.

It appears it is time to raise the bar. If Chinese want to stand a chance against Europeans what is "pro" today must become "average" tomorrow.

Guess its time for me to save up a few bil to get a full sun+7 set just to barely stay competitive...

JM has to fix the problem not the players.

If you like to play alone, go play some offline games and cancel your Internet. You'll save money yourself.

[Cruor]

If you like to play alone, go play some offline games and cancel your Internet. You'll save money yourself.

MMORPG. If you don't like lone-wolves or Chinese, don't play the game.

[Ploxy]

i think the Islam race will screw sro even more

[Nixie]

If you like to play alone, go play some offline games and cancel your Internet. You'll save money yourself.

MMORPG. If you don't like lone-wolves or Chinese, don't play the game.

Massively MULTIPLAYER Online RPG. It's not that I have something against someone who like to play solo, I was doing the same before Europeans came. And I still do a bit. But if you start crying how hard it is and how better solo play is, that's what I hate.

[Nixie]

i think the Islam race will screw sro even more

It will rather balance it out, as it should be. (Triangular conflict)
EU > CH
CH > IS
IS > EU
(hate to repeat these 3 lines, again >_<)

[Infect]

In all honesty, i would have to say that Euros have made the game alot more enjoyable.

Unfortunately, you seem to be talking about the small percentage of Euros (Such as Wizards and Rogues) who feel the need to 1hit people, and then run to the safe zone. I dont think we can put Joymax to blaim for this. I myself like to PvP with Infect (My Lvl81 Wiz / Cleric) and Future (My Lvl90 Warrior / Cleric). However here are the two sides of the story;

1. On Infect, I usually start with Recovery Division and Holy Spell. When the PvP starts i use Bless Spell. I Equip my Staff and use Charged Squall (Knockback), then Bind, and Fear. I then use Frozen Spear and Fire Bolt. In a few cases my opponent is dead. In others the PvP can last a lot longer.

2. On Infect, I sit in safe zone. I wait for my Life Turnover and Invisible cooldowns to end. Then i walk out into the area, where i see a crowd of people with capes on. I smash down on my Earth Quake skill, and then spam my Aerial Teleport. Game over.

I think it is fairly obvious which is more enjoyable both to play as and against. But please realise, that Euros arent the problems; the few kids that play them are.

[JKMB]

Hmm, the problem with euro's is that their pot delay does not off set their extreme attacks / defense, with bless spell on for example, its impossible to die, and yet a 2h warrior the "tank build" that is supposed to be immortal, but un-able to kill as well, can 1 shot chinese with a dare devil crit..

[Infect]

Hmm, the problem with euro's is that their pot delay does not off set their extreme attacks / defense, with bless spell on for example, its impossible to die, and yet a 2h warrior the "tank build" that is supposed to be immortal, but un-able to kill as well, can 1 shot chinese with a dare devil crit..

WRONG - I have a lvl90 Warrior with Sun 2H. I cannot 1 shot most chinese characters at all even with my crit. I would also like to draw your attention to that fact that nearly every Chinese Build should have at least 30 Fire at the 90 Cap. Which means they can use Fire Wall. Fire wall prevents Warriors from KD / Stun / KB. If you have a look at alot of the Warrior 2H moves, you will notice that alot of the moves can only deal high damage when the Opponent is Knocked down.
You also say that Bless makes it impossible to die. This is almost always correct. But Bless ends, Snow Shield lasts alot longer. Infact it is only Chinese Chars that I have lost against. Even after perfecting my tactic, so that i am only defenseless for a matter of seconds, still leaves me open to get owned by these Pure Chinese Builds. I have both a 90 Glavier and 90 Warrior. Please dont speculate things you havent tried. In the end, if both Euro and Chinese have a good set, its totally down to Tactics / Crits / Statuses. It can go either way.

[Barotix]

i think the Islam race will screw sro even more

It will rather balance it out, as it should be. (Triangular conflict)
EU > CH
CH > IS
IS > EU
(hate to repeat these 3 lines, again >_<)

It isn't like that.

[Infect]

i think the Islam race will screw sro even more

It will rather balance it out, as it should be. (Triangular conflict)
EU > CH
CH > IS
IS > EU
(hate to repeat these 3 lines, again >_<)

It isn't like that.

What sources are you basing your arguements on?
How can you know if it is or isn't like that..?

[Barotix]

It will rather balance it out, as it should be. (Triangular conflict)
EU > CH
CH > IS
IS > EU
(hate to repeat these 3 lines, again >_<)

It isn't like that.

What sources are you basing your arguements on?
How can you know if it is or isn't like that..?

My argument is a logical deduction based off interviews and the nature of this game.

[Da_Realest]

If you like to play alone, go play some offline games and cancel your Internet. You'll save money yourself.

1. Of course the person who has a bunch of Euro characters is going to say that. You're proving my point.
2. Since when did having and intelligent discussion means that you're crying?
3. You totally misunderstood the context of what I meant by playing alone. I even gave an example. I clearly stated playing alone as in taking on a party or guild by yourself, not playing in the world of Silkroad alone. I don't think they created the party and guild system for no reason. The point is if you wanted to go up against a up a whole guild or party by yourself, you didn't have to worry about Average Joe not being online to buff you. Also, I see that you only replied to that small portion or my argument so I'm going to assume the rest of my argument is still valid.
4. Euros are overpowered. Anyone who disagrees, feel free to prove otherwise.

@Barotix - How can you be sure that it will balance out. I don't see them taking on the rock, paper, scissors format. This is JM we're talking about.

[Barotix]

It won't be rock paper scissors.

[Fly]

how to fix euros: 1) take out oblation skill. 2) put bless spell on a party recharge. if a cleric casts it in ur pt, everyone gets a recharge.

and there you go. problem solved and no longer overpowered.

[Da_Realest]

It won't be rock paper scissors.

I don't understand how it would supposedly balance out then.

Everytime I look at the pics in Fotress War topics, the majority of the characters that are dead laying on the ground are Chinese characters. lol It may be just a bad coincidence though.

[Bob]

Nostalgia, do you know what it means? Rofl.

[Nixie]

If you like to play alone, go play some offline games and cancel your Internet. You'll save money yourself.

1. Of course the person who has a bunch of Euro characters is going to say that. You're proving my point.
2. Since when did having and intelligent discussion means that you're crying?
3. You totally misunderstood the context of what I meant by playing alone. I even gave an example. I clearly stated playing alone as in taking on a party or guild by yourself, not playing in the world of Silkroad alone. I don't think they created the party and guild system for no reason. The point is if you wanted to go up against a up a whole guild or party by yourself, you didn't have to worry about Average Joe not being online to buff you. Also, I see that you only replied to that small portion or my argument so I'm going to assume the rest of my argument is still valid.
4. Euros are overpowered. Anyone who disagrees, feel free to prove otherwise.

@Barotix - How can you be sure that it will balance out. I don't see them taking on the rock, paper, scissors format. This is JM we're talking about.

It's not because I have a bunch of European characters. To be exact I've got 4 of them right now. Before the European update I had over 20 Chinese characters, but just 2 or 3 above level 40. Europeans are just a lot more fun to me, but that's my thing.

Playing alone... can be wonderful in a way, but pain in the other. Owning a whole guild? One SINGLE player versus 50 players? You must be kidding me. Just look at the current CTF. You can't even tank 8 players with bless spell, iron skin, mana skin and vitality.

Overpowered? They are really strong, stronger than Chinese, but that's the triangular conflict, ffs. I already see how Europeans will spam the boards "How ISLAM characters screwed EURO characters" and some Chinese players how they can own Islam characters. You have to live with that.

Right now what I care for are my friends, the fun when I play and job wars. Once you lose, once you die... you can't be unbeatable. Even Ahil had his weakness (his foot).

Edit: It's like... water can put out fire, fire can burn grass, grass can "drink up" water. The same will be in Silkroad. If it's not going to be like that, at that points I'll agree with you. Playing the ultimate race gets you hated and it's not enjoyable.