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hey! u jus found out who they were a couple of days ago. it was obviously not my sig that distracted u =s


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yes, but then you stuff yourself first before throwing it out again...
Take laxating stuff, then it goes moar natural...
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wth happened to this topic? u people half way round the world need to post around like now so i dont miss everything >.<

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crazyskwrls wrote:wth happened to this topic? u people half way round the world need to post around like now so i dont miss everything >.<
ITWASBOMBED

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get teh ..... outta here this is OTL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 卐 not racist...
It's connotations overshadow it's original intent, therefore any smart-alek portrayals of the swatisika should be viewed as racist.
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SM-Count wrote:It's connotations overshadow it's original intent, therefore any smart-alek portrayals of the swatisika should be viewed as racist.
no, smart-alek portrayals with reference to Nazi Germany should be viewed as assholish. Its connotations does not overshadow its original intent, maybe in the western world where the only thing ppl care about IS the western world but the symbol has existed time out of mind. Its simplicity and age easily make it one of the earliest symbolic figures of mankind. It has a positive meaning anywhere you got outside Europe and the US. The rest of the world should not have to conform and give this symbol, which is being done due to pressure from the west, just because the west feels like everyone should be going emo over it with them.
No i don't like hitler, no im not anti-semitic, yes i feel for the Jews but one of the things i hate in this world more than anything is ppl having to give up their native cultures to appease the western world and the western world forcing its own cultures upon everyone else. It makes the world so much smaller....

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crazyskwrls wrote:The second to the last one just made me LOL
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The 卐 is a Hindu symbol.
The 卐 is a Buddhist symbol.
The 卐 appears on maps in Asia to denote temples.
The 卐 is famous.
The 卐 means good luck.
The 卐 is drawn on houses in India.
The 卐 is a common design in many cultures.
There is a town named 卐 that has refused to change its name.
The 卐 is one of the most powerful symbols in the world.
The 卐 is an ancient symbol which was abused by racist Europeans.
The 卐 was banned by Google from showing up in its search trends.
They display of the 卐 is found to be offensive by racist Europeans.
Even though the 卐 is a holy symbol in much of the world.
The European Union tried to prohibit the 卐, but failed, because racist European ideas about it don’t fit in with a multicultural society.
The 卐 is a Chinese character.
The 卐 means myriad, or 10,000 in Chinese.
The 卐 has been made famous on 4chan.
卐.com is against any racist use of the 卐!
and discuss.... the influence of 4chan on our society and the racist Europeans described by this
I did an essay on this noob.
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XemnasXD wrote:SM-Count wrote:It's connotations overshadow it's original intent, therefore any smart-alek portrayals of the swatisika should be viewed as racist.
no, smart-alek portrayals with reference to Nazi Germany should be viewed as assholish. Its connotations does not overshadow its original intent, maybe in the western world where the only thing ppl care about IS the western world but the symbol has existed time out of mind. Its simplicity and age easily make it one of the earliest symbolic figures of mankind. It has a positive meaning anywhere you got outside Europe and the US. The rest of the world should not have to conform and give this symbol, which is being done due to pressure from the west, just because the west feels like everyone should be going emo over it with them.
No i don't like hitler, no im not anti-semitic, yes i feel for the Jews but one of the things i hate in this world more than anything is ppl having to give up their native cultures to appease the western world and the western world forcing its own cultures upon everyone else. It makes the world so much smaller....
I don't think you fully understand the word connotation. In the Western world it carrys the 'images' of Hitler, the Nazis, their bigotry and violence; in the Eastern world it does not. Connotations are never universal (except for rare examples in literature, but I don't think anyone actually reads books here). Thus, when I address connotations of the Nazi party, it should only refer to the Western world because that's the only place where people would associate the swatzika with fascism in Germany and war crimes foremost. In addition, the Western world would also be the only place where swatizkas would be deemed overly and hysterically offensive. While I agree that 'racist' was the wrong word choice and that imbeciles stupid enough to make jokes about the swatzikas are complete idiots, I still believe that where the swatzika carries the conntations of the nazi party, realistically, it overwhelmingly overpowers its historic / Eastern counterpart.
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SM-Count wrote: I still believe that where the swatzika carries the conntations of the nazi party, realistically, it overwhelmingly overpowers its historic / Eastern counterpart.
i think if you had said that in the first place i would've agreed with you. You didn't stipulate the limits of the connotations you were referring to. By saying just "the connotations" you implied all the connotations represented by the symbol both western and eastern and that the western ones overpowered the eastern ones universally. If in Europe the swastika is negative im ok with that but i don't them trying to get it removed in other countries and other countries removing it to make it more appealing to westerners who are simply being ignorant.

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The swastika is an ancient symbol in europe too. Hell, it's still in use in Finnish military (like it was used before they invented the nazis), and there's nothing nazi/negative about that.

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Shadow wrote:The swastika is an ancient symbol in europe too. Hell, it's still in use in Finnish military (like it was used before they invented the nazis), and there's nothing nazi/negative about that.
Well, it's still a bit nazi, as that's the widest known meaning of it in Europe.

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crazyskwrls wrote:and discuss.... the influence of 4chan on our society and the racist Europeans described by this
Influence of 4chan? ha ha ha
4chan doesn't have any influence on our society.

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I personally found every comment in this post to be pertinent, apropos, and absolutely on topic (except it was posted in off topic - wth???).
For example, the notorious double post by our insightful friend (she / he / it, the racist) is an example of connotations overshadowing intent, the comments about Anorexia and Bulimia also relate; if you binge - you must purge.
We have binged and therefore must purge.
Where else should we spew our Off-Topic regurgitation?
The symbol referenced is even now taking on new meanings in the US Defense Intelligence Agency (D.I.A.).
Let it ferment just a little while longer and we may see more forehead swastika tattoos.
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For example, the notorious double post by our insightful friend (she / he / it, the racist) is an example of connotations overshadowing intent, the comments about Anorexia and Bulimia also relate; if you binge - you must purge.
We have binged and therefore must purge.
Where else should we spew our Off-Topic regurgitation?
The symbol referenced is even now taking on new meanings in the US Defense Intelligence Agency (D.I.A.).
Online Etymology Dictionary wrote:svastika-s, lit. "being fortunate," from svasti-s "well-being, luck," from su- "well" + as-, root of asti "(he) is," from root of L. esse "to be". Also known as gammadion and fylfot. Originally an ancient cosmic or religious symbol thought to bring good luck.
Let it ferment just a little while longer and we may see more forehead swastika tattoos.
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Priam wrote:Shadow wrote:The swastika is an ancient symbol in europe too. Hell, it's still in use in Finnish military (like it was used before they invented the nazis), and there's nothing nazi/negative about that.
Well, it's still a bit nazi, as that's the widest known meaning of it in Europe.
Look, here's a comb that bears the swastika. It's from around year 300, found in Denmark. Here the swastika probably symbolized good luck, or the sun, or something like that. It is not even a bit nazi.
Okay, now here the swastika, the very same symbol, is carrier by this moustache-dude. In this context it is a symbol of nazism and not a Southern Asian symbol of wealth, for example.
The bad moustache-man bites the dust, but his ideology survives. Now we go wandering on a Danish bog, and find that comb with the swastika symbol on it. Woah! A nazi comb, and this old!?! No. In my opinion the meaning of the symbol on the comb has not changed, regardless of what nazis did or thought. Just like there's nothing nazi in hindu swastika. But then, if I pick up a baseball bat, paint a swastika in my forehead and go out in the streets to look for members of some certain ethnic group to beat, then the swastika probably is not meant to symbolize wealth or good luck; then it is to symbolize the bearer being a nazi. See the context?
The swastika may symbolize many things in many places and situations. Nazism became one of those things in the 20th century. One more meaning for the symbol. No, it did not replace the slavic meaning of the symbol, nor the hindu meaning of the symbol. Not even if a hundred million ignorant people were unaware of the other uses of the swastika symbol.
If we asked all americans "where is Lithuania?" and most of them would say "it's in Africa", it sure as hell wouldn't be even a bit in Africa. Now, let's ask ignorant europeans "what does a swastika symbolize" and most of them would say "it means nazinazinazi!" Again, this doesnt make the swastikas in finnish flags and medals to be nazi.
ps. Americans dont take offence for using you in my example... I know you know Lithuania is not in Africa. *cough* Sorry, I have a cough..


