The Powerleveling Problem

[PR0METHEUS]

Saw this somewhere before:
"Botting/bot plvl is like getting someone else to have sex with your gf coz ur too lazy to do it"...so to all the bot plvlees..GTFO..and fack mather

and legit plvl is like using a sex toy to give your gf pleasure coz ur lazy to do it

Well by using the sex toy, you are still taking part in the act, just sort of "cheating" I suppose. Usually with 'legit' plvl, the one getting power leveled is just sitting on a horse not actually taking part in the leveling process.

I used to have the "someone else to have sex with your gf" thing in my sig.

[Post]

We allow legit plevel

That just a poor excuse, plvl is gaining levels with out the effort of hand grinding the char in question (sound just like botting to me). From all members contributing, you can party to share EXP/SXP. In my view their is no way to "legit plevel" and if I need to level a char I will go grind, with or with out a party.

The game is a MMO-grind don't forget

[NuclearSilo]

We allow legit plevel

And also allow legit to play in a botted char as well

[Krysis]

I don't think a lvl 90 legit has a reason to be jealous of a bot pwrlvled player. In most legit circles, receiving bot pwrlvl is considered illegitimate because you're knowingly benefiting from a illegal third party program. If you didn't know they were botting, it's different. In this case you acknowledged it and support it.

It's kind of hard not to know their botting when they constantly level for 18-24 hours a day and yeah i'm benefiting, if i said oh don't bot what do you think he'd do.
and i didn't support it lol..

i don't recall me say oh yes, bot plvl rules.. i vote botters!! -.-

Your paying the bot and you're condoning his actions. That is supporting them.

i ain't paying, he was already plvling and said i could take advantage if i wanted, so i did. simple.

[JoyFax]

All the legit guilds on venus know the pain in the ass plvling has been. Avalon over the course of its year on venus has kicked atleast 300 players for this issue alone....Powerleveling has hurt the legit community also by legit plvling.

So explain why it's easy to find parties plvling avalon only

[PR0METHEUS]

All the legit guilds on venus know the pain in the ass plvling has been. Avalon over the course of its year on venus has kicked atleast 300 players for this issue alone....Powerleveling has hurt the legit community also by legit plvling.

So explain why it's easy to find parties plvling avalon only

Are these power leveling parties, or simply auto share grinding parties where the party members don't want non-union members to join?

Assuming Avalon/BHA are indeed 100% legit, which that is their intended purpose, the best way to ensure you are auto sharing only with legits is to keep the party restricted to union/alliance members.

Personally, I just stick with 4-man distribution parties, open to all.

[Barotix]

All the legit guilds on venus know the pain in the ass plvling has been. Avalon over the course of its year on venus has kicked atleast 300 players for this issue alone....Powerleveling has hurt the legit community also by legit plvling.

So explain why it's easy to find parties plvling avalon only

I loled. The parties that say "Need [this class] Avalon/BHA" are not pwrlvl parties.

[JoyFax]

All the legit guilds on venus know the pain in the ass plvling has been. Avalon over the course of its year on venus has kicked atleast 300 players for this issue alone....Powerleveling has hurt the legit community also by legit plvling.

So explain why it's easy to find parties plvling avalon only

I loled. The parties that say "Need [this class] Avalon/BHA" are not pwrlvl parties.

I loled. I'm not talking about that kind of parties and you know it.

[Barotix]

So explain why it's easy to find parties plvling avalon only

I loled. The parties that say "Need [this class] Avalon/BHA" are not pwrlvl parties.

I loled. I'm not talking about that kind of parties and you know it.

You would be hard-pressed to find several Avalon pwrlvl parties everyday.

[Pure_Vigilante]

plvling is out of control i only plvl my other account but other players at from lvl 10-75 ask me if i can plvl them its gets old and boring cause plvling someone you dont know is basically like being in a reverse bank robbery you take their money but your their hostage for the time being people asking for plvl should be killed forget murder status

[PR0METHEUS]

We need to get together and send in bug reports to have them fix there party system. Our combined bug reports fixed the Quota glitch. We can put an end to powerleveling.

What was the Quota glitch? I don't remember that one. I would love to see an end to power leveling. I think it's pretty obvious, by the "the difference in level can be no more than 5 levels and there is a maximum of 8 members" part that Joymax did not intend to introduce power leveling into the game, and that it was just a poor implementation on the part of the developers.

I remember when the advertisements came out about the new party system, they stated the +/- 5 level restriction, but it never got implemented properly. So would this be considered a bug? Are power levelers abusing the bug?

[Pure_Vigilante]

Maybe People Are Abusing The Bug Bt either Way If Your Capped Or See Someone Plvling Lower Than You And Their Using AoE Attacks Lead Mob On Them Like I Do

[slimshady]

Not only has plvling cause a bad influense on the game by making players lazy but also by increasing the number of scammers in the game. (I plvled before and I still am. srry. but i shouldnt lie) People get scammed alot, because they are looking for a good person to plvl them. But sometimes the plvler scams them for alot of gold. (im scared to plvl now because im so scared of being scammed)

Hey now the scamming goes both ways....I plevel to keep me income coming in to buy pots while i lvl up my alternate char. Lots of noobs try to exchange me 500k then i press accept, and then....

1) The exchange box just disappears and does not say "successful item exchange" and my gold doesn't increase

2) Somehow the scammer makes the screen say "The trade cannot be made normally" as if I would fall for that. Also the gold doesn't increase.

Then one time a turk tried scamming me and say "I gave gold" bullcrap story...I kick him from party and he say party or I global scammer. I just lol'd and kept grinding.
So its not just the powerlevelers that are scamming....

[Da_Realest]

I think the game would begin to die even faster if they removed plvling. If someone relied on something for that long and its taken away, most would seek the next best alternative which is botting. The others would be split between players who quit or would begin to level themselves the "normal" way.

With all the different languages in the game, trying to get a functional party going is just going to be fustrating for many players. Ex. We going to have a Turkish wizard in the party, a German rogue, a French cleric, and a warrior who speaks English. It would be chaos. Thats not even factoring in the personalities of each individual. Also, just because you're a Euro character doesn't mean you have to party or even want to party. After JM changed the pot delay from 30 secs to 15 secs, Euros are just as good at soloing as Chinese characters.

The root of the problem is bots. They create the urgency for many "legit" players wanting to get to the cap as fast possible. What's the fastest way to get to the cap within the rules allowing you to effectively compete and survive in all the forms of PvP? Plvling.

There are positives and negatives to removing plvling but I think the negatives outweigh the positives. The only way to stop plvling and keep the current players is to ban all bots and keep the botting problem under control. After the bottom botting problem is under control, a fix to the party system(if they really do consider it a bug...) should then be implemented.

Personally, plvling doesn't bother me. It allows me to try out many different builds within a reasonable amount of time. I'm also a competitive player so I want to get to the cap as fast as possible to remain competitive.

Since they are sort of banning bots now, JM shoud just wipe the servers and start everyone at level 1 again...

[whiteraven]

jup reroll the servers and everyone to lvl 1,,
ban bots (and keep banning them every 2 days or so)
make the cap at lvl 20 xD

whooosha,, if that is done,, sro would be really messed up xD


why isnt there something like turkish sro?? Xian server is stuffed with turks, they scam, they begg for gold, and they dont speak english,,

xian server is getting very sucky this way and since there is this huge amount of turkish peeps,, why doesnt joymax make a turkish sro? server will get les crowded and fun will increase (for me ^^)

[JoyFax]

jup reroll the servers and everyone to lvl 1,,
ban bots (and keep banning them every 2 days or so)
make the cap at lvl 20 xD

whooosha,, if that is done,, sro would be really messed up xD


why isnt there something like turkish sro?? Xian server is stuffed with turks, they scam, they begg for gold, and they dont speak english,,

xian server is getting very sucky this way and since there is this huge amount of turkish peeps,, why doesnt joymax make a turkish sro? server will get les crowded and fun will increase (for me ^^)

Yeah... If I was a turkish I would be ashamed of puting TR on name... if the kind of fame the turkishes have....

[slimshady]

ban all Turk IP just like Vietnamese?

[BloodyBlade]

Avalon= fail

[NuclearSilo]

Or: increase the exp rate by 10

There u go, ppl dont need bot or plvl anymore. It's the low exp rate the root of bots and plvl.

ban all Turk IP just like Vietnamese?

I suggest to ban USA IP. Coz it has more population than any other country, therefore more bots and CCFers.

[PR0METHEUS]

Or: increase the exp rate by 10

There u go, ppl dont need bot or plvl anymore. It's the low exp rate the root of bots and plvl.

I think even if they made it 100x exp rate increase, people would STILL want to bot or get power leveled. There will always be people out there that want to get to the cap as fast as possible.

Instead of worrying about how fast one can possibly get to cap, they should implement new content into the game that makes it more enjoyable for people at lower levels. Put things like dungeons, tournaments, party-quests, etc, into the game that are level-restricted. Maybe have a cave or dungeon for people under lvl 20, 30, 40, 50.... More interesting quests that you can only do below lvl 40 or so.

If there is more to do at lower levels, and more ways to compete with people that are near your level, there won't be as much need to race to the cap.

[Nitro]

jup reroll the servers and everyone to lvl 1,,

I bet you have lv.20 character only.

[NuclearSilo]

jup reroll the servers and everyone to lvl 1,,

And massive charge back...

[Barotix]

JM shoud just wipe the servers and start everyone at level 1 again...

And that would spell the end of SRO for many players. I think, as you said; JM does need to do a wipe but they also need to condense the servers to a manageable number. Such as 5, they should then perform a database wipe. At this point, the botting problem is irreversible without extreme measures.

[Kyver]

I am in no way for or against plvling...just giving something for everyone to think about.

When you are 7x+ a legit party is much easier to come by. The temptation to plvl (or bot) is there regardless because everyone knows the majority of the parties and guilds are at that level. I do not bot, nor have I or will ever bot, but yes I have been plvled, mostly because I'm trying to catch up to 2 RL Friends that are lvl 38 and lvl 42 respectively. After that I have no temptation to be plvled because I want to play with my friends.

Some higher lvl players are very alienating towards new players, I myself having only played this char and only so far have gotten to lvl 30, I know what it is like to be shrugged off as another nub. What most of us need from our guildmates, friendship and guidance, we are not getting because we are not high enough level or have enough experience in SRO to be able to contribute much to the guild or union. BHA has been awesome, especially SuicideGirl and Axe007, others have been less than friendly. *Tenacious D moment* We just all need to take the friendship test =)

If we want to get rid of plvling and botting we first need to admit that the temptation is there for low levels to catch up to the high levels to be able to participate by plvling or botting. I just want to play the game, make some new friends, and hopefully make it to 9x or beyond...and I don't want to plvl to do it. Understand that we are all playing the same game toward the same goal for the same reasons.

just my rant

[AngloKnight]

im unsubscribing from this topic.. it's full of bs and bore-ism...

[the_wicked]

Or: increase the exp rate by 10

There u go, ppl dont need bot or plvl anymore. It's the low exp rate the root of bots and plvl.

ban all Turk IP just like Vietnamese?

I suggest to ban USA IP. Coz it has more population than any other country, therefore more bots and CCFers.

Am I the only one who thinks nuclearsilo is a little cocksucking attention wh0re?
Cuz I think if I met him In real life I'd probably kick his face in.
All he does is flame everyone, and has some weird personal obsession/vendetta against avalon and venus.
Seriously, just get the .**** out.

[NuclearSilo]

Or: increase the exp rate by 10

There u go, ppl dont need bot or plvl anymore. It's the low exp rate the root of bots and plvl.

ban all Turk IP just like Vietnamese?

I suggest to ban USA IP. Coz it has more population than any other country, therefore more bots and CCFers.

Am I the only one who thinks nuclearsilo is a little cocksucking attention wh0re?
Cuz I think if I met him In real life I'd probably kick his face in.
All he does is flame everyone, and has some weird personal obsession/vendetta against avalon and venus.
Seriously, just get the .**** out.

Just admit the truth. Dont distort facts.

And Avalons are hypocryts. They support bot (probably used). Some kids in the union act like they are tyran just because his guild own the fortress.

[Azilius]

i know for a fact i'm getting plvld by a botter. so what do you think of me?

And My Opinion is your the smartest person in this topic.
Why complain about a proplem
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

But then thats my opinion

Did anyone else totally miss reading this? Then read it and LOL'd?

[non ego man]

Did anyone else totally miss reading this? Then read it and LOL'd?

Between that comment and his opinion that people who don't respect botters have their heads up their asses, I kinda wonder where Mr. Dango is coming from.

[PR0METHEUS]

Just admit the truth. Dont distort facts.

And Avalons are hypocryts. They support bot (probably used). Some kids in the union act like they are tyran just because his guild own the fortress.

Don't generalize. Not everyone in Avalon is like that. I haven't met any botters (or supporters) in the guild yet. Everyone's always party grinding on Roc Mountain while I'm soloing in asia.

Just because there may be a few "bad kids" in the union doesn't mean we're all like that.