Here's a nice looooong response.
Fly wrote:banned? i think your have been puffing on guthix's peace pipe for too long.
I was kidding on that part. Of course we know that you won't ban yourself.
Fly wrote:the point of this topic was to fix a problem with the gameplay of silkroad. it has nothing to do with whos plvling or why they are plvling.
On the contrary, it has everything to do with who is powerleveling and why they are powerleveling. You said so yourself in your first post:
Fly wrote:Legits gain there levels by hand grinding. 99% of euro botters get powerleveled. I belive this is the next step we must take in order to make Venus the legit heaven its ment to be.
That was the "who" part of powerleveling.
Fly wrote:All the legit guilds on venus know the pain in the ass plvling has been. Avalon over the course of its year on venus has kicked atleast 300 players for this issue alone.
I believe you identified the "why" part of powerleveling in that quote too.
Fly wrote:yeah people in my guild plvl alts. people in your guild also plvl alts. people in bot guilds plvl alts. my mother's brother's friend's coworker plvles an alt. who the hell cares?
"Who the hell cares?" Apparently you do. A lot. You care so much about the powerleveling problem that you've "kicked atleast 300 players" ever since the server opened. Yes, it is indeed a big issue for everyone to care about.
Fly wrote:the point of fixing the issue is to better the gameplay of silkroad. the patch would apply to everyone, everywhere, at the same time. i would not get some kind of "bonus 1337 god mode hack" because of this.
It won't improve the gameplay of SRO for 1 big reason, which I believe have been addressed by others in this topic:
-All the level 6X+ parties will be screwed, especially around Guards and GENS area. This is your "solution", according to your first post:
Fly wrote:With the fix of 5 levels above/below party leader, powerleveling will compleatly die off. Legits will once again control the euro population of the server, and botters will be forced to either quit there euros, or attempt to bot them.
What happens because of this? Guards pts start around lvl 58. If the leader is lvl 58, a lvl 64 person can't join. GENS start at lvl 65 these days and end lvl 75. If a lvl 65 person joins the pt, then everyone above lvl 70 is immediately alienated. Some for Roc mountain parties, which start around lvl 76. If someone from your party is lvl 76, anyone above lvl 81+ can't join.
In the end, your plan does more harm than good.
Fly wrote:botting is a problem. due to botters, avalon can attract a shitload of anti-bot members to our guild. we are benefiting, in the form of gaining members, from botters. i want botting to be banned once and for all. am i a hypocrit?
Yes, yes. Botting is indeed a problem. I have never disputed that. I don't know why you are bringing this up.
I thought the main reason people are joining Venus is because they already know that the player bots are losing. You are gaining members because the bots are gone, not because there are bots overrunning your server.
But i guess you can argue that Venus is bot-free
because you have a lot of anti-bot members.
w/e your point had nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is powerleveling. I'm digressing.
Fly wrote:I own and use a car. It looks nice and gets me places. It also releases alot of carbon into the atmosphear. I hate pollution. I am all for clean air and laws to stop carbon gas from being released into the air. Am i a hypocrit?
I guess Guthix doesn't have to post pics of you powerleveling anymore. You already implied it.
You analogy fails. Hard. You are comparing a mode of transportation to a free MMORPG computer game with poor customer service? C'mon man, I thought you were smarter than that.
Cars a necessary method of transportation. If you don't ride it, you won't be able to reach your destination on time. What happens when you don't reach work on time? Productivity declines. Workers won't be able to get to their jobs on time, and importing/exporting things would take significantly longer.
What happens when productivity declines? What happens when work doesn't get done on time? The whole economy would collapse. Everything related to the economy is related to transportation. As much as cars emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, our economy would have to degenerate back to pre-1920's (before Ford Model T) was invented if petroleum-driven engines were banned. Everything is intrinsically related to the existence of petroleum-driven engines in status quo.
To use cars in status quo despite knowing about carbon emissions does make you a hypocrite to an extent, because transportation driven by alternative energy still hasn't been mass-marketed. But there is no alternative to cars, besides horse-riding or riding bycycles. Horses are rare these days, and no company out there produces enough bicycles to support 6 billion people worldwide. However, there are more than enough cars out there.
If there were enough horses or giant-bicycles out there, or if majority of the cars in status quo were fueled by alternative energy, then yes, riding a car would indeed make you a very big hypocrite.
And...to compare this to your powerleveling issue...
1) powerleveling doesn't affect the in-game economy in anyway. Or atleast not in any way that I'm aware of. You do powerlevel a lot, so you tell me. Automobiles, on the other hand, have significant effects in the economy.
2) you already have a choice of whether or not to powerlevel. The alternative to powerleveling is old-fashioned grinding. There will be no serious consequences if you simply party-play all the way to the cap. Even you agree with me on this. You DON'T have much of a choice if you boycott petroleum-driven cars. Cars are pretty much a necessity; powerleveling isn't.
3) there are no consequences in the real world if you hit the 90 cap faster than others (through powerleveling). If you refuse to ride a car and don't get to your job on time, your employer will definitely fire you (in school-terms, it means you'll be tardy and ultimately get a detention).
4) Cars emit carbon dioxide, which is hazardous for health. A powerbotter grinding alone in a corner doesn't bother anyone. Unless they start ksing, in which case you can either pk him or move away. You can't wish away carbon emissions. Even if alternative energy is becomes readily-available in the market, you still have that big gaping hole in the ozone layer thanks to global warming.
Fly wrote:your logic is messed up. There are some things that are "legit" yet still harmfull. While we cant force other legits to not powerlevel, we can all agree that its harmfull. Joymax CAN force people to not plvl. Joymax SHOULD force people to not plvl. Doing so will stop as meny avalon plvlers as any other legit union out there. We would all be effected by it for the better.
Yes, Fly I agree entirely. What better way to set an example for others than to stop powerleveling yourself? I mean, you "kicked over 300 people" from Venus because they powerleveled, right? When are you and your friends gonna stop?
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