[Exteel] Official Thread

[Love]

excuse me dr...
but, Exteel is 4 times more fun than gunz..

Thats because its easier to pick up and play. Having someone steal my kills isn't fun though. I know this happens often in many games but it seems to be more frequent here. Probably because of the lock on system.

and about skill
you're taking a noobs vid vs a "pro" gunz vid..

Find me a "pro" Exteel vid then. I looked through about 10 vids before picking that one and that was the best one I saw.

I've beaten high ranking players. Are those the pros you speak of?

look at gunz, you spam buttons like Farking mad, all you do is jump around in all directions you can, and ocasionally hit your enemy once or so.

Wrong. You obviously know nothing about Gunz. You spam butons in gunz and you will get destroyed against pro players. You must haven't played Gunz long enough to gain the opportunity to play on the expert channels. Almost no high level players play on the novice or free channels because you lose points if a low level manages to kill you. As for Exteel, all I have to do in Exteel is keep a distance from the pro players and keep the lock on with the rifle and I will have no trouble getting kills. The "jump around" you are seeing in Gunz is called "butterfly." There is no way you can move that fast just simply "jump around in all directions." But since you call it that, I doubt you can do it effectively. How often you hit your enemies depends on your skill, skill of the opponent you are facing, and ping.

How can you miss in Exteel? Oh thats right, its pratically impossible. You Lock-On. Anyone with a great reaction time can do better in Exteel than gunz soley based on reaction time. I find it quite funny how every gun requires you to lock on in order to hit except the rocket launcher. lol The guy can be right in front of me but I won't be able to hit him with my rifles or shotguns because he is too close. lol?

The sniping factor with Cannons has great potential in Exteel but its totally ruined by the fact that the game alerts the opponent when you lock on to them. I can't pick off the people who aren't paying attention because "locked" will show up on their screen as soon as I target them. This requires you to need to have more skill with cannnons than necessary compared to other weapons. Fail.

You have no way to recover HP in deathmatch from what I understand. Once your HP gets low you're basically screwed unless you're playing team deathmatch and someone on your team happens to have the medic weapon(extremely unlikely unless you're playing with people you know). If you "hit" someone enough times in deathmatch you can basically chase after them if they try to run because there is nothing they can do to recover their hp. This oftens leads to people ganging the person that looked liked they were getting hit the most so they can get the kill(I know because it has happened to me alot.) At least on Gunz I didn't feel helpless when my health is low. I can go find health or actually block attacks successfully without fear of dying. (I know there are places where you can regen HP in Last Stand and CTF.)

Its not that Exteel requirs mad skills, but requirs decent skills, and its more about intelligence, and teamwork.

Its about who can get the last hit.

Intelligence? I basically steal the flag and run for my life and hope EN doesn't fail me at a bad moment(It always does).

Teamwork? Doesn't exist unless you in a clan or have good friends who are going to work together. No one cares about the flag or obtaining Aerogates in CTF because you get more points just by getting kills. I returned the flag once and took and defended the Aerogate many times, but this one guy still got first place just because he killed more people than me. What a waste.

If you look at my battle record, it'll look like I'm a bad player. I think I'm at least above average. My battle record should reflect how good I am not how my teammates fail, how I get ksed, and how I get raped by SMG users who gang me. lol

Exteeel's a lot more fun than gunz.. if i feel like spamming buttons, ill spam some friend on msn or play silkroad lol

I find Exteel more fun to play than Gunz because it is easier and because sadly Gunz doesn't have CTF. I don't have to use much of any "skill" to win in Exteel. Where as in Gunz, I have to think fast literally every second to prevent dying against pro players. In Exteel, all I have to do is keep the target on you, which isn't hard, and pray that someone doesn't take the last hit from me. If you try to get in close for SMGs or Sword/Spear, I'll just boost backwards and destroy you with my rifles. I'll get bored and go back to Gunz later because this doesn't require much skill compared to Gunz.

I'm just saying that saying this game requires more skill or comparable skill to Gunz is a joke.

Oh yea, anyone knows what the movement upgrade thing does? I upgraded it like 6 times but I don't see a difference.

lol you dont seem to know much about exteel lock on is just to shoot and hit but accuracy is a different thing, it depends on the weapon you are using and also on your opponents action, for example if some1 goes flying off your accuracy will get lower by A LOT so even if you are lock on you are going to hit 1/4 of those shots

there is a lot of strategy involve in the game you think cannons are op i can take you out without getting a single shot, having said that i myself have fought people that have taken me out without me landing a single hit and i think i am a bit above average with all humility

some examples of strategy
for fighting cannons never 1/1 them in a hallway couse that is an exchange, use cover and take them down slowly
fighting smgs user; jumping is a good way since it will mess up their accuracy and knowing when to strafe is another big plus to loosing lock on, another nice trick is jumping towards them after firing a couple of shots so they start attacking but since you are so close they will loose lock on and end up overheating their weapon, then you will have the upper hand even if they have a second set of weapons they will loose their EN and become a static target in wish case you should be able to take them out pretty easily, big note to pull this things off you need A LOT of skills and is not always possible

i could go on about every weapon but that is not the point learn about the game before you talk

[Da_Realest]

lol you dont seem to know much about exteel lock on is just to shoot and hit but accuracy is a different thing, it depends on the weapon you are using and also on your opponents action, for example if some1 goes flying off your accuracy will get lower by A LOT so even if you are lock on you are going to hit 1/4 of those shots

there is a lot of strategy involve in the game you think cannons are op i can take you out without getting a single shot, having said that i myself have fought people that have taken me out without me landing a single hit and i think i am a bit above average with all humility

some examples of strategy
for fighting cannons never 1/1 them in a hallway couse that is an exchange, use cover and take them down slowly
fighting smgs user; jumping is a good way since it will mess up their accuracy and knowing when to strafe is another big plus to loosing lock on, another nice trick is jumping towards them after firing a couple of shots so they start attacking but since you are so close they will loose lock on and end up overheating their weapon, then you will have the upper hand even if they have a second set of weapons they will loose their EN and become a static target in wish case you should be able to take them out pretty easily, big note to pull this things off you need A LOT of skills and is not always possible

i could go on about every weapon but that is not the point learn about the game before you talk

I already knew about the accuracy. Strategy? I thought that was common sense. Also, how about you read my post before you talk. I said nothing about cannons being overpowered but I basically said they were underpowered.

I've put 13+ hours into the game. I'm familiar with the core gameplay. The only thing left to do now is buy better things and upgrade.

[xxxduelxxx]

In exteel it dont really matter who get the kill or not, cus in the end as long as ur team win u earn alot of money.

But in gunz when someone steal kill you, they get all the exp and money. = /

[IceCrash]

Making it short so I'll skip some parts that I feel are less important or I feel that I explained in some other part.

Also, my post aren't long. The quotes just make it seem that way...

Eh, you can do exactly the same thing on Gunz, the difference is, since the other player or pro or w.e will always be jumping around (wich some of the times is not doing the butterfly, im taking about jumping around, not moving along the walls doing the butterfly thingy) so, since you dont have lock on, it'll ofc be harder for you to hit the other bitch... but it's basicly, the same thing..
And again, you can do that at any game

So you admit that it requires no skill here but luck. Jumping around in random directions is the perfect technique in Exteel. Why? Because the opponent has to lock on before they can shoot. Meaning, as soon as the target turns red, the opponent is already somewhere else. In other shooters, you can anticipate where the player will be. You can't anticipate when someone is jumping around in your face because if its not locked on when you fire, you will miss. You basically spam when they are jumping around and hope you hit them.


I can't debate anything with you, towards this game, if you think like this..
Sorry, you're not really thinking anymore here, you're just saying a bunch of stuff that doesn't even make sence compared to the game.

I was expecting you, to be fair from both points, but no, i honestly dont know what you were expecting with an answer like that but oh wel..if it was for me to agree with you or admit something.. meh

I'm not like you, i dislike debating people's opinions based on feelings towards the game just to prove im smart, and do you know why i say this? Because, seriously, other players, as Love's alredy did, they contradict you, because, you sure aren't beeing rational, and fair in discussing both game's points at all.. because those things don't happen in Exteel, and some others you mentioned can happen, and there is no reason for them not to happen. But it's fine if you feeel like picking on Lock On.. when it isnt anything ZOMG SUCKYSUCKY, and it's not , not even as easy as you say, but w.e


If you say stuff like, jumping in Exteel doesnt really matter when you're fighting those so called pro's a difference, looks to me like you really haven't fought any good people yet.
And what you say about Lock on just prooves that.

And about moving requiring less skill
press space one time+arrow key Exteel

press space many times and many arrow keys Gunz


and i even think it takes just, sometimes a lil bit more in Exteel and sometimes a lil bit more skill in Gunz..cause even if the movement system is diff, it'll always be similar in some ways, so, both games are skilled in their both ways if you really see it fairly.


This coulda been so much easier if you woulda been normal, but noo.. oh well, whatever honestly, it's normal you answer this

I'm still thinking about your post, and i dont even know what else to say lol

i'll say one thing tho, this debate is da sux.
it's boring, you countered in a fishy way, nice

that means no more debates to me from now on. lol
it isnt worth it

[Krevidy]

Can we make a list of the SRF players and their IGN?

mine is, Brevidy.

[IceCrash]

IceCrash here

[Swindler]

looks awesome! to bad my graphic card is farked up so i cant play anything..

[MrJoey]

I don't like this game simply because of the lock-on system.

[Da_Realest]

Sorry, you're not really thinking anymore here, you're just saying a bunch of stuff that doesn't even make sence compared to the game.

Maybe you're the one not thinking. The fact that I can use what you're saying against proves that I am thinking. I've seen those things and done it in game. I'm speaking with experience.

If you say stuff like, jumping in Exteel doesnt really matter when you're fighting those so called pro's a difference, looks to me like you really haven't fought any good people yet.
And what you say about Lock on just prooves that.

It doesn't matter if you're pro or not. You can't anticipate when the opponent is in your face jumping around. Therefore you have to fire blindly hoping you hit them. Anticipation is the key part of shooters. If you can't anticipate then you have to rely on fast reflexes to win. Fast reflexes don't require any thought, but anticipation does. Maybe you are the one that requires more experience to understand what I am saying.

Also, you can even look at their forums. Many people will agree that SMGs are seriously overpowered. Quotes from their forums:

"Now, every single game I enter, at least HALF of the players have two SMGs, and maybe four. It really does come down to how many SMGs are targeting you. I think we can admit it's a problem when everyone seems to be using them.

The Beam Spitter is my main culprit. I tried one early on in the patch, and I had to sell it, because it took no skill to use. All you have to do is hit the trigger once, and 10 bullets hit their mark. You can even fire at them, and move behind cover STILL shooting them.

All I see now is backwards strafing no-skill spam. = ("

"+1 using smg's takes zero skill right now, enemies literally just end up in your reticle with the large size and the dps is INSANE on the peagle A and Spitter A. "

"Click. Click. Click. Thats all it take"

"SMGS as a whole need a damage reduction period. they are the dps ranged weapons. they should not deal more damage then their spiking counterparts. they should deal more damage OVERTIME. "

"They are easy to aim, don't have horrible range, overheat very slowly, are light, and inflict RIDICULOUS dps. NERF SMGS!"

"Scale down the damage of smg's. SMG's are way too overpowered. The wide lock on range, high speed and damage make smg's the single most powerful guns in the game."

"SMGs need to be toned down. The damage output from the Planet Eagles and Beam Spitters are simply too intense. "

But hey, I haven't experienced this. I'm just making things up...

And about moving requiring less skill
press space one time+arrow key Exteel

press space many times and many arrow keys Gunz

Stop trying to simplify Gunz. Many already agreed that Gunz requires more skill. If you can easily do these things in Gunz then you have my respect. However, it is not jumping around and pressing keys randomly.

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I'm level 37 in Gunz and I still can't do some of those things effectively.

and i even think it takes just, sometimes a lil bit more in Exteel and sometimes a lil bit more skill in Gunz..cause even if the movement system is diff, it'll always be similar in some ways, so, both games are skilled in their both ways if you really see it fairly.

Yes, they both games require skills but I will say this again.

I'm just saying that saying this game requires more skill or comparable skill to Gunz is a joke.

You can not see it fairly because the amount of skill required in each game is not fair. I think your view is biased because you're amount of fun you're having making it seem as though it requires more skill. Anyone who played Gunz and made it to the Expert Channels will agree that the skill required in Exteel is no where close to the skill required in Gunz. Maybe Exteel may require comparable skill one day. However, because things are so imbalanced, its not even close to Gunz.

This coulda been so much easier if you woulda been normal, but noo.. oh well, whatever honestly, it's normal you answer this

Your argument was defending the skill in Exteel compared to Gunz. I didn't need to argue. You did most of the work for me.

Anyone who doubts my skill and believe I know nothing or just want to add me in Exteel, my IGN is FatalSilence. I'll be on for the next few hours.

[IceCrash]

I've seen those things and done it in game. I'm speaking with experience.

Same, that's what i've based, most of my posts on.
At least towards Exteel..

Stuff

So we're equal, you try to make Exteel look too easy, way more than it is.
I do the same with gunz, sounds fair..
Only thing that isnt fair, is, you actually put some dedication into the posts (Notice the vids, quotes from forums, bla bla bla) And i really dont..

We have different points of view, we have different things that we appreciate and have fun doing different things.
That is the reason, whatever you say towards Exteel, kind of exagerating, i'll always deny, and same reason will happen towards gunz..
I can even agree Gunz might take a little bit more skill than Exteel.. But, it's harder for you to move effectively in Exteel, in order to dodge, and that takes imagination playing.. as well as other stuff but still, thats what many ppl dont have..

I dont think you have much imagination tbh, but thats ok really, i dont mean to offend you.. just saying.

About the smg's quotes, you found some nice stuff to exagerate and agree with what you back up
~But hey, it's my opinion, it's not as bad/that bad

But ok..
You focused yourself, trying to proove me wrong, that Gunz takes more Skill than Exteel.. but you exagerate too much...Proof of that is how you believe i mean to make everyone think that "you know nothing about Exteel" But it's funny you interpretate that in that way, and you interpretated mhy very first post about gunz the way you did, cause you've been with that "atitude" since then, because i believe you didnt understand the way i posted about it, doesnt matter, you dont need to know me, still, its funny to see it.


Was an error for me to try to debate this with you.. I dont take stuff as serious as you seem to take,but thats my fault

"If you can do these stuff in Gunz, you have my respect" bla bla bla...
I don't really need your respect tbh.. but just to take the piss, i'll play gunz and try not to get bored within 2 games, see if i can do that stuff

btw since you like to search for things and stuff, how long has Exteel been around compared to Gunz? Arg idk, its just,im curious about it.

But yeah, Gunz takes more skill than Exteel to play, indeed.
But you do simplify it too much, and exagerate stuff, but thats ok.

But see, if you see both, it doesnt matter, because Exteel's a lot more fun than Gunz..
thats what matters really..

[Da_Realest]

So we're equal, you try to make Exteel look too easy, way more than it is.
I do the same with gunz, sounds fair..
Only thing that isnt fair, is, you actually put some dedication into the posts (Notice the vids, quotes from forums, bla bla bla) And i really dont..

I never said Exteel was easy. I just said it was easier than Gunz.

We have different points of view, we have different things that we appreciate and have fun doing different things.
That is the reason, whatever you say towards Exteel, kind of exagerating, i'll always deny, and same reason will happen towards gunz..
I can even agree Gunz might take a little bit more skill than Exteel.. But, it's harder for you to move effectively in Exteel, in order to dodge, and that takes imagination playing.. as well as other stuff but still, thats what many ppl dont have..

I'm not exaggerating about that. I'm on your friendlist. Play against me if you believe I am exaggerating.

Technically you don't dodge attacks in Exteel. Once the opponent locks on and fires, they are guaranteed to hit you if their marksmanship is decent. You just move around and hope that they aren't aiming where you are.

About the smg's quotes, you found some nice stuff to exagerate and agree with what you back up
~But hey, it's my opinion, it's not as bad/that bad

I'm not exaggerating about SMGs. Don't believe me? How about you go look on the forums. Nevermind, I'll just link you to the topics. People complain about the SMGs because they are overpowered.

http://boards.exteel.com/showflat.php?C ... Post184149
http://boards.exteel.com/showflat.php?C ... Post178881
http://boards.exteel.com/showflat.php?C ... #Post42989
http://boards.exteel.com/showflat.php?C ... Post176505

In total, thats 8+ pages about people complaining or making suggestions about SMGs. The few quotes I provided are far from an exaggeration. There is a serious problem with SMGs.

Next time how about you do some research yourself before you say I am "exaggerating" things.

Taking things serious? Nah. I just don't expect people to believe my words unless I provide evidence or examples to support my argument. It makes the arguement more believable or factual. It doesn't matter if the person you're debating with says you're "exaggerating" or things like that because you provided evidence and/or examples to back you up.

I don't really need your respect tbh.. but just to take the piss, i'll play gunz and try not to get bored within 2 games, see if i can do that stuff

Thats the point. I have adequate experience in both games. Thats why what you say doesn't whole much value because based on what you said, I can tell you haven't made it to the Expert Channels. I've played against pro players in Exteel(Majors, Captains, etc. Although rank doesn't mean you're good..) and read many guides on different types of playstyles and what to buy in Exteel. Thats why I talk the way I do about the game. Also, I don't just download a game and start playing. I read many guides and tips so I can get a good idea on how to start out and how to play effectively like the "pros" or good enough so I can make my own style against the "pros."

Gunz was released mid 2006 and Exteel was released late 2007.

[Krevidy]

KTHXBAI STF.U.
Can we get back on topic, you guys continue this discussion in PM's. TY.
IGN: Brevidy. Lv 8 atm. need 11k more for a Planet Eagle-A. then imma collect more money for a 2nd planet eagle-a to p00n

[Da_Realest]

KTHXBAI STF.U.
Can we get back on topic, you guys continue this discussion in PM's. TY.
IGN: Brevidy. Lv 8 atm. need 11k more for a Planet Eagle-A. then imma collect more money for a 2nd planet eagle-a to p00n

I guess you didn't bother to read or lack reading comprehension because we weren't off topic. The topic was about Exteel the whole time. We even posted our IGNs after your asked.

[Gemini]

yes i agree that gunz is harder i have a lvl 52 and it is require massive ammounts of skill though aim in most games are the most important if you cannot aim and you can do all these quick movements it will not help you. in both games aim is i assume i just finished downloading my ign will be Vakusk, oh and i really suck at exteel

[InsertName]

i like the locking system but sometimes i wish they remove the warning that you are locked defeating the purpose of sniping

[gamef]

IGN: ScreamX Level 1... struggling to complete the SMG advance lesson. >_>

[Krevidy]

IGN: ScreamX Level 1... struggling to complete the SMG advance lesson. >_>

I can´t complete it either =P

[Jantje]

lol same, imma try again now.

[Da_Realest]

IGN List
Love: gameplay
Draquish: PlayNC
InsertName: LegendXII
IceCrash: IceCrash
tjendc21: TheWann
GlennNL22: Brevidy
Da_Realest: FatalSilence
Gemini: Vakusk
gamef: ScreamX
Jantje: Washandje
[SW]XMoshe: XMoshe

[Jantje]

My IGN is Washandje.

[Krevidy]

Jantje I pwned you Matrix style on the Dreadnought map. xP
I was flying in the air and shootin at the same time and owned you

[XMoshe]

XMoshe here. ^_^ Haven't played it yet on my laptop.

[Gemini]

i am getting better with the rifles and cannon combo

[InsertName]

i keep getting insane lag

[Da_Realest]

Same. I'm starting to play less often because the lag is so bad. Well I can still play Last Stand effectively because npcs don't move fast.

[Krevidy]

Planet Eagle-A's FTW! 13/5 kd best so far xD

[Jantje]

Had a 7-2 K/D once. \o/
Btw, anyone know why my confirm button doesn't highlight when i want to buy something? I can't buy anything now lol. And yes, I have enough credits for some things.

[Krevidy]

Had a 7-2 K/D once. \o/
Btw, anyone know why my confirm button doesn't highlight when i want to buy something? I can't buy anything now lol. And yes, I have enough credits for some things.

When you want to buy something the confirmation window shows up, in the upper right corner you have to select the durabillity first. If you have done that the confirmation button should light up green and you will be able to buy the selected item.

[Jantje]

Ok tnx.

[Gemini]

i want to play with you people