Chinese Hybrids & You.

[Fiction]

What is this Hybrid weapon stuff? How are the weapons made for hybrids? Got to have physical and magical damages on them since most Chinese have both kinds of attacks. Unlike euro characters, which have only magic or physical depending on weapon.

As far as the Pure vs Hybrid goes for Chinese, It has always been the pure characters that were stronger than the hybrids. There are a few cases that are different, but most of them are because the hybrid had an advantage.

[JesusLOL]

Not really. Myself as spear hybrid I win everytime vs 90 pure chars, prem + vs prem +. The only problem I see in hybrids are the masteries, for now it's cool to have 60 ice / 60 light / 90 fire / 90 heuskal or bicheon as int hybrid, the main problem is at upcomming caps you will need to get rid of ice or fire, the damage with lighting sucks balls, and without snow shield it's pretty hard to tank str.

[Disconn3cted]

Not really. Myself as spear hybrid I win everytime vs 90 pure chars, prem + vs prem +. The only problem I see in hybrids are the masteries, for now it's cool to have 60 ice / 60 light / 90 fire / 90 heuskal or bicheon as int hybrid, the main problem is at upcomming caps you will need to get rid of ice or fire, the damage with lighting sucks balls, and without snow shield it's pretty hard to tank str.

there is barely any difference between imbue dmg unless you mean the nuke but thats not really such a big deal

[JesusLOL]

Not really. Myself as spear hybrid I win everytime vs 90 pure chars, prem + vs prem +. The only problem I see in hybrids are the masteries, for now it's cool to have 60 ice / 60 light / 90 fire / 90 heuskal or bicheon as int hybrid, the main problem is at upcomming caps you will need to get rid of ice or fire, the damage with lighting sucks balls, and without snow shield it's pretty hard to tank str.

there is barely any difference between imbue dmg unless you mean the nuke but thats not really such a big deal

I actually meant the damage with weapon skills, because I had light 80 at 80 cap for few months, and then switched to fire 80, the difference was huge as heuskal user.

[Barotix]

What is this Hybrid weapon stuff? How are the weapons made for hybrids? Got to have physical and magical damages on them since most Chinese have both kinds of attacks. Unlike euro characters, which have only magic or physical depending on weapon.

As far as the Pure vs Hybrid goes for Chinese, It has always been the pure characters that were stronger than the hybrids. There are a few cases that are different, but most of them are because the hybrid had an advantage.

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Back OnT: Would you guys say 85% Physical Balance would make a difference in comparison with Pure Strength Damage. Given an Estimate, how High do you think the damage spikes?

Are you sure you haven't been seeing Bad hybrids and what do you mean by advantage? You mean build advantage?

I'm checking what each ratio's balance is.
EDIT:
5:1 build is 90% Physical or 90% Magical Balance Naked.
3:1 build is 85% Physical or 85% Magical Balance Naked.

The Difference between 90% Physical and 85% Physical is ~1k HP and ~2k MP
The difference between 90% Physical and Pure Str is ~2k HP and 2k MP
The difference between 85% Physical and Pure Str is ~3k HP and 4k MP

Hybrid doesn't lose much HP but I'm sure the damage it gains is substantial.

[penfold1992]

i had a hyb blader and i hav played on a pure blader. pure bladers do MORE damage and have higher hp... so how are they supposed 2 be hyb?

nukers, pure does more damage... considering i want to deal damage and NEVER take it.... pure is the best for me.

yes int hybs are good for somethings but...
euros play as a party of them, but a pure euro guild cant beat a euro and ch guild mixed.
therefore i think this game is ment to hav a mixture of builds, some pure some hyb. theres nothing wrong with a hyb wizard if they wanna tank more... same thing with nukers, they will just deal less damage thats all!

euros and ch have adv and disadv and can both be hyb. you need a mix of everything to hav a good guild

[Barotix]

i had a hyb blader and i hav played on a pure blader. pure bladers do MORE damage and have higher hp... so how are they supposed 2 be hyb?

nukers, pure does more damage... considering i want to deal damage and NEVER take it.... pure is the best for me.

yes int hybs are good for somethings but...
euros play as a party of them, but a pure euro guild cant beat a euro and ch guild mixed.
therefore i think this game is ment to hav a mixture of builds, some pure some hyb. theres nothing wrong with a hyb wizard if they wanna tank more... same thing with nukers, they will just deal less damage thats all!

euros and ch have adv and disadv and can both be hyb. you need a mix of everything to hav a good guild

I loled:
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Pure European Guild/Party/Union > Mixed One.

EDIT: Wait, how does a pure str deal more base damage than a hybrid.
EDIT*2: When I type base damage I mean Physical Attack + Imbue >.>
EDIT*3: If I applied all of this to a damage formula based on attacking a Target with 0 defense (mangyang, movia) , I wonder which one would hit higher.

[RogueKiller]

i had a hyb blader and i hav played on a pure blader. pure bladers do MORE damage and have higher hp... so how are they supposed 2 be hyb?

nukers, pure does more damage... considering i want to deal damage and NEVER take it.... pure is the best for me.

yes int hybs are good for somethings but...
euros play as a party of them, but a pure euro guild cant beat a euro and ch guild mixed.
therefore i think this game is ment to hav a mixture of builds, some pure some hyb. theres nothing wrong with a hyb wizard if they wanna tank more... same thing with nukers, they will just deal less damage thats all!

euros and ch have adv and disadv and can both be hyb. you need a mix of everything to hav a good guild

I loled:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81187&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=lionshout%2A&start=30

Pure European Guild/Party/Union > Mixed One.

EDIT: Wait, how does a pure str deal more base damage than a hybrid.

A pure int nuker hits harder then a hybrid nuker. Just because of the fact that they are only using the magical attack part of their weapon when they are nuking, so a pure int hits the hardest when nuking. A hybrid int has str which isn't used when nuking.
I dont know the damage scale of a pure str and a str hybrid though. The only way to calculate it would be to take someone with full npc gear and compare it to someone else thats hybrid with full npc gear, that way its fair.

[selenne]

I think the build of ur char is totally up to ur gaming style.
If u like to tank, go pure str. If u love high dmgs and fast lvling, go pure int.
But da fact is: pure builds will be useless now da 9d came. Da hyb strs will tank so much as pure strs, and still do more dmg. Hyb ints will do awesom dmgs with a lot more of hp.
Build hybs is not so easy as build pures, but if u want to play till da end, it worths.
After notice da advantages of beein hybrid, i turned my pure str glavier into a hyb bow. Its da best thing ive done in 2 and a half years playin sro.

[BalkanFanaticS]

I think the build of ur char is totally up to ur gaming style.
If u like to tank, go pure str. If u love high dmgs and fast lvling, go pure int.
But da fact is: pure builds will be useless now da 9d came. Da hyb strs will tank so much as pure strs, and still do more dmg. Hyb ints will do awesom dmgs with a lot more of hp.
Build hybs is not so easy as build pures, but if u want to play till da end, it worths.
After notice da advantages of beein hybrid, i turned my pure str glavier into a hyb bow. Its da best thing ive done in 2 and a half years playin sro.

amen

[Snoopy]

I know hybrid bladers, and have made one myself. They're good, and they could actually kill things back in 70 - 80 cap. Now most people are going pure str with them.

Bow, well I rather pure str, however hybrids are still a good choice for them.

INTS, I LOVE HYBRID INTS! Enough said.

Glaivers aren't as good hybrid, though Brue on Pacific was an awesome hybrid, and only had a few sun pieces. He also had force.

[iShadow]

have anyone wondered why when a lvl 1 char starts with 20 str and 20 int their physical balance is 75% and magical is 62%? i wonder how it affects overall damage to balance equation and damage output. because for the same amount of HP and MP the physical balance is always more than magical.

[foudre]

i had a hyb blader and i hav played on a pure blader. pure bladers do MORE damage and have higher hp... so how are they supposed 2 be hyb?

nukers, pure does more damage... considering i want to deal damage and NEVER take it.... pure is the best for me.

yes int hybs are good for somethings but...
euros play as a party of them, but a pure euro guild cant beat a euro and ch guild mixed.
therefore i think this game is ment to hav a mixture of builds, some pure some hyb. theres nothing wrong with a hyb wizard if they wanna tank more... same thing with nukers, they will just deal less damage thats all!

euros and ch have adv and disadv and can both be hyb. you need a mix of everything to hav a good guild

I loled:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81187&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=lionshout%2A&start=30

Pure European Guild/Party/Union > Mixed One.

EDIT: Wait, how does a pure str deal more base damage than a hybrid.

A pure int nuker hits harder then a hybrid nuker. Just because of the fact that they are only using the magical attack part of their weapon when they are nuking, so a pure int hits the hardest when nuking. A hybrid int has str which isn't used when nuking.
I dont know the damage scale of a pure str and a str hybrid though. The only way to calculate it would be to take someone with full npc gear and compare it to someone else thats hybrid with full npc gear, that way its fair.

even if a pure int deals more dmg a hybrids spear moves compare to a nukes dmg but they hit 2 or 3 moves in the time a nuker can nuke once, true the pure int does the most dmg but its the dmg over time that should turn out better in pvp witha hybrid, cause if you can hit them 5 times in the time it takes for them to hit you twice and you deal about 75% of their dmg per move who is obviously doing more dmg. a hybrid shouldn't be nuking as a main attack except to gain rannge. Me and baro are making different hybrid builds so we'll have to see how our experimental builds turn out. Him hybrid blade, me hybrid spear with force (i wonder how its going to play out sacraficing fire)

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my only real debate is what ratio to go with, i'm currently 70:70 being going easily as a 1:2 ratio after the first few lvls of pure int, but i'd really like to know if this is perhaps not ht best ratio to go for, i have force mastery and will have use for both phy and mag debuffs with decent dmg in both but thats just the theory

[deathtoall]

Hybrid Bladers Deal more consistent damage than pure bladers. Pure Bladers crit harder. I have my Hybrid blader build I love and Im on Venus currently lvling. Im 37(anyone care to pvp lvl 37 to 42?:) euro or chinese, doesnt matter) Just saying that to prove to anyone that doesnt believe they are a wonderful build. Oh and btw, Im a hybrid/ice/force/blader..... so bring pills:p

[foudre]

Hybrid Bladers Deal more consistent damage than pure bladers. Pure Bladers crit harder. I have my Hybrid blader build I love and Im on Venus currently lvling. Im 37(anyone care to pvp lvl 37 to 42?:) euro or chinese, doesnt matter) Just saying that to prove to anyone that doesnt believe they are a wonderful build. Oh and btw, Im a hybrid/ice/force/blader..... so bring pills:p

oh man you're going to hate no speed, at least i would, its the main thing i hate about Foudre is no bloody speed

[AngelMare]

Hmm Pure ints do higher dmg with physical skills anyway with imbue .

the idea is pretty nice , but hmm that wont help them against euro , so when ur agaist a rouge ? if your pure str , being hybrid will only weaken u , yes certainly hybrid will give an str more dmg , but rouges attack fast , u will be dead by then , but if ur pure str , u got chance to give a hit or 2 ..

Not really. Myself as spear hybrid I win everytime vs 90 pure chars, prem + vs prem +. The only problem I see in hybrids are the masteries, for now it's cool to have 60 ice / 60 light / 90 fire / 90 heuskal or bicheon as int hybrid, the main problem is at upcomming caps you will need to get rid of ice or fire, the damage with lighting sucks balls, and without snow shield it's pretty hard to tank str.

mhm .. i am pure and i win everytime against hybrids .. -.-

lightning at 90 is 17 % mag increase? drop it , to 30 , u will get 10% dmg , and then u got fire amazing imbue , and magic defence buff , and immune against statues , physical attack increase + the passive , and the great damaging fire nukes , and u will still have lightning buffs but a bit less ^^ and for the parry ratio , 40% on each can compansate and the pros > cons ^.^

[foudre]

snow sheild when you know a rogue is near by, that ice cube move, of course if they are cross bow they'll be more annoying to a chinese, but just phantom walk then spin the rogue is dead if he has extreme on

[deathtoall]

Hmm Pure ints do higher dmg with physical skills anyway with imbue .

the idea is pretty nice , but hmm that wont help them against euro , so when ur agaist a rouge ? if your pure str , being hybrid will only weaken u , yes certainly hybrid will give an str more dmg , but rouges attack fast , u will be dead by then , but if ur pure str , u got chance to give a hit or 2 ..

With snow shield and castle wall a rogue at my lvl cant kill me. If one of his kb or kd doesnt work, then its over for him.

[iShadow]

Hmm Pure ints do higher dmg with physical skills anyway with imbue .

the idea is pretty nice , but hmm that wont help them against euro , so when ur agaist a rouge ? if your pure str , being hybrid will only weaken u , yes certainly hybrid will give an str more dmg , but rouges attack fast , u will be dead by then , but if ur pure str , u got chance to give a hit or 2 ..

if one goes hybrid then its better to wear protector instead garms which will have more phy def than using a garm so it will even out or may be gie you more def. ofcpurse 92% hybrid str wont make much diff.. but others like 85% or less should go protector

[AngelMare]

wearing sets isnt the thing , so what about this , .. i am pure str and wear protector ? more defence certainly than an hybrid wearing protector against a rouge for example , its just the overall .. hybrids will be weak against both , i think they can funtion nice against other chinese but not euros ..

[iShadow]

wearing sets isnt the thing , so what about this , .. i am pure str and wear protector ? more defence certainly than an hybrid wearing protector against a rouge for example , its just the overall .. hybrids will be weak against both , i think they can funtion nice against other chinese but not euros ..

hehe lets not bring in the chinese vs euro shit. the point of the topic is wheather going hybrid will increase your damage output enough and may be even outdamage a pure build since chinese weapons are made hybrid. as for surviving against rogue a hybrid str will use higher snow shield because he/she has more mp to tank, but also will do more damage again str builds because they lack magical defence and thats where we are increasing the damage.

[Rained]

But da fact is: pure builds will be useless now da 9d came. Da hyb strs will tank so much as pure strs, and still do more dmg. Hyb ints will do awesom dmgs with a lot more of hp.
Build hybs is not so easy as build pures, but if u want to play till da end, it worths.
After notice da advantages of beein hybrid, i turned my pure str glavier into a hyb bow. Its da best thing ive done in 2 and a half years playin sro.

My opinion is against you after pvp with some pure str glaiver and pure int s/s, I lost pretty much although I'm using better gears than them, though lagness is part of the reasons, but I personally think that int hybrid are not doing as well as 80 cap due to mastery 300 limitation.

[JesusLOL]

Hybrid Bladers Deal more consistent damage than pure bladers. Pure Bladers crit harder. I have my Hybrid blader build I love and Im on Venus currently lvling. Im 37(anyone care to pvp lvl 37 to 42?:) euro or chinese, doesnt matter) Just saying that to prove to anyone that doesnt believe they are a wonderful build. Oh and btw, Im a hybrid/ice/force/blader..... so bring pills:p

mhm .. i am pure and i win everytime against hybrids .. -.-

lightning at 90 is 17 % mag increase? drop it , to 30 , u will get 10% dmg , and then u got fire amazing imbue , and magic defence buff , and immune against statues , physical attack increase + the passive , and the great damaging fire nukes , and u will still have lightning buffs but a bit less ^^ and for the parry ratio , 40% on each can compansate and the pros > cons ^.^

Well. Too bad we are not at the same server, I'd like to see how you kill a hybrid with 19k hp and 3k mag defense. I nuke 9k-11k to 90 ints in garms, +4/+5 sets, and a pure int with prem plus got like 13k max hp? It's 2 hit everytime.

@death

A Hybrid STR without Fire is really useless, you will need the mag def increase, and also the phy dmg increase.

[Pham]

int hybrids are good
blader hybrids are sorta good but u gota know the exact str and ints to put on for a good one.

all other hybrid sucks.

[TheDrop]

Hybrid Bladers Deal more consistent damage than pure bladers. Pure Bladers crit harder. I have my Hybrid blader build I love and Im on Venus currently lvling. Im 37(anyone care to pvp lvl 37 to 42?:) euro or chinese, doesnt matter) Just saying that to prove to anyone that doesnt believe they are a wonderful build. Oh and btw, Im a hybrid/ice/force/blader..... so bring pills:p

well i havent read the whole thread so i dont want to go into the debate, but i would LOVE to pvp u . im 41 atm btw soon will be 42 tho.

[selenne]

But da fact is: pure builds will be useless now da 9d came. Da hyb strs will tank so much as pure strs, and still do more dmg. Hyb ints will do awesom dmgs with a lot more of hp.
Build hybs is not so easy as build pures, but if u want to play till da end, it worths.
After notice da advantages of beein hybrid, i turned my pure str glavier into a hyb bow. Its da best thing ive done in 2 and a half years playin sro.

My opinion is against you after pvp with some pure str glaiver and pure int s/s, I lost pretty much although I'm using better gears than them, though lagness is part of the reasons, but I personally think that int hybrid are not doing as well as 80 cap due to mastery 300 limitation.

1. pure strs sux against mag attacks. hybs get a lot of advantage there, once the hyb's imbue has a good dif on dmg if comparated to pure str. so, if ure an hyb str or int, u can get advantage or takin more phy dmg or doin more mag dmg.
2. pure ints sux against phy dmgs and da low hp cant take not even good mag atks
3. da mastery cap makes u chose between ur masteries, there ur strategy counts. hybs wont hav problems, if they chose a correct strategy. hyb int? go for ice light.. hyb str? go for fire'n light. da wep mastery depends on how much hyb u are.

ps.: i pvp a lot, and i kno how annoyin an hyb int s/s can be, or an hyb glavie. and they kno how annoyin an hyb bow can be

[Blindfire]

I have a chinese that I am going to pfarm once I get to a high enough level. It is going to be an Ice\Fire\Heuksal glaive and I want to make it hybrid. Unfortunately I have no idea how hybrid is should be. Anyone able to help?

[AngelMare]

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

[Nitro]

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

Okay ... what?
So... hybrid will die in 1 hit against euros with snow shield on , while full ints wont? gg

[AngelMare]

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

Okay ... what?
So... hybrid will die in 1 hit against euros with snow shield on , while full ints wont? gg

cant delieve my point 2 u XD cant explain it @.@ pssshh