WTH is going on?

[Disconn3cted]

What is his ingame name? I think you should ask him if he ever played somewhere else. The pc he used might have a 3rd party program. I know someone get banned from NO-DC program.

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

[JesusLOL]

What is his ingame name? I think you should ask him if he ever played somewhere else. The pc he used might have a 3rd party program. I know someone get banned from NO-DC program.

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

Hm? Doesn't make sense, they can detect 100k gold bots, but not few hundred playerbots? People are going same x/y through hotan day for day, just stand at a gate and you can count them. Also gaining exp 24/7 is very human, not to forget that a human goes exact same x/y day for day, buys exact same amount of pots day for day, also dont forget that a human gets stuck at the same x/y day for day, common don't tell me you can't tell whos botting.

[Disconn3cted]

What is his ingame name? I think you should ask him if he ever played somewhere else. The pc he used might have a 3rd party program. I know someone get banned from NO-DC program.

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

Hm? Doesn't make sense, they can detect 100k gold bots, but not few hundred playerbots? People are going same x/y through hotan day for day, just stand at a gate and you can count them. Also gaining exp 24/7 is very human, not to forget that a human goes exact same x/y day for day, buys exact same amount of pots day for day, also dont forget that a human gets stuck at the same x/y day for day, common don't tell me you can't tell whos botting.

GMs don't actually log in the program which finds the bots is obvious automated and it isn't made for finding isro bot and tbot yet. It can find clientless bots and altered clients only.

[JesusLOL]

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

Hm? Doesn't make sense, they can detect 100k gold bots, but not few hundred playerbots? People are going same x/y through hotan day for day, just stand at a gate and you can count them. Also gaining exp 24/7 is very human, not to forget that a human goes exact same x/y day for day, buys exact same amount of pots day for day, also dont forget that a human gets stuck at the same x/y day for day, common don't tell me you can't tell whos botting.

GMs don't actually log in the program which finds the bots is obvious automated and it isn't made for finding isro bot and tbot yet. It can find clientless bots and altered clients only.

Now you tell me, where's the difference between the clientless bot from bot*** and isrobot from bot***. You do know that it's EXACT the same Bot? Except it's clientless. Do you know how Joymax is detecting bots? I don't think so, no one knows how they do. So you can't simply say that they don't detect isro/tbot, because you don't know how they detect. And yes they do detect isrobot, as example ->
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=156663
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=300993
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=178217

Can you notice something? The chars didn't had silk for long time. They do ban, but you will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER find a 85+ player with silk on the banlist, prove me that I'm wrong, please do it, and show me a 85+ player here that got banned, thanks. It's Farking simple, you don't ban good customers, no smart company would ban anyone who wastes cash for their game.

[PrincessBoA]

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Evidence please~~

[Disconn3cted]

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

Hm? Doesn't make sense, they can detect 100k gold bots, but not few hundred playerbots? People are going same x/y through hotan day for day, just stand at a gate and you can count them. Also gaining exp 24/7 is very human, not to forget that a human goes exact same x/y day for day, buys exact same amount of pots day for day, also dont forget that a human gets stuck at the same x/y day for day, common don't tell me you can't tell whos botting.

GMs don't actually log in the program which finds the bots is obvious automated and it isn't made for finding isro bot and tbot yet. It can find clientless bots and altered clients only.

Now you tell me, where's the difference between the clientless bot from bot*** and isrobot from bot***. You do know that it's EXACT the same Bot? Except it's clientless. Do you know how Joymax is detecting bots? I don't think so, no one knows how they do. So you can't simply say that they don't detect isro/tbot, because you don't know how they detect. And yes they do detect isrobot, as example ->
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=156663
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=300993
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=178217

Can you notice something? The chars didn't had silk for long time. They do ban, but you will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER find a 85+ player with silk on the banlist, prove me that I'm wrong, please do it, and show me a 85+ player here that got banned, thanks. It's Farking simple, you don't ban good customers, no smart company would ban anyone who wastes cash for their game.

Just because they used isro bot and ended up a bot list doesn't mean they got banned because they botted, joymax puts everyone who gets banned for any reason other than chargeback onto that list and for every 85+ player bot that joymax bans 3 new players will come to replace him who overtime would probably end up spending more money than that bot. I don't know why no 85+ play has been banned yet maybe they know better than to use the free programs that joymax can see and that is how they ended up botting to 85+ to begin with, there are a lot of explanations other than that they have silk.

[JesusLOL]

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

Hm? Doesn't make sense, they can detect 100k gold bots, but not few hundred playerbots? People are going same x/y through hotan day for day, just stand at a gate and you can count them. Also gaining exp 24/7 is very human, not to forget that a human goes exact same x/y day for day, buys exact same amount of pots day for day, also dont forget that a human gets stuck at the same x/y day for day, common don't tell me you can't tell whos botting.

GMs don't actually log in the program which finds the bots is obvious automated and it isn't made for finding isro bot and tbot yet. It can find clientless bots and altered clients only.

Now you tell me, where's the difference between the clientless bot from bot*** and isrobot from bot***. You do know that it's EXACT the same Bot? Except it's clientless. Do you know how Joymax is detecting bots? I don't think so, no one knows how they do. So you can't simply say that they don't detect isro/tbot, because you don't know how they detect. And yes they do detect isrobot, as example ->
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=156663
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=300993
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=178217

Can you notice something? The chars didn't had silk for long time. They do ban, but you will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER find a 85+ player with silk on the banlist, prove me that I'm wrong, please do it, and show me a 85+ player here that got banned, thanks. It's Farking simple, you don't ban good customers, no smart company would ban anyone who wastes cash for their game.

Just because they used isro bot and ended up a bot list doesn't mean they got banned because they botted, joymax puts everyone who gets banned for any reason other than chargeback onto that list and for every 85+ player bot that joymax bans 3 new players will come to replace him who overtime would probably end up spending more money than that bot. I don't know why no 85+ play has been banned yet maybe they know better than to use the free programs that joymax can see and that is how they ended up botting to 85+ to begin with, there are a lot of explanations other than that they have silk.

Yes. I've seen last night Jesus. There are people who are botting constantly for 1+ year, do you want to tell me that joymax doesn't know that they bot? People even global that they bot. You gotta be Farking kidding me.

[sparta_sword]

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Evidence please~~

What do you want a signed confession from the CEO of Joymax?

It's just known

[Verfo]

prove or it dint happen

[ulquiorra]

What is his ingame name? I think you should ask him if he ever played somewhere else. The pc he used might have a 3rd party program. I know someone get banned from NO-DC program.

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

His IGN was ImOnDrugs, but um just for the record (i guess no one on here has figured it out yet) Joymax doesn't ban player bots anymore (Yes there is evidence to confirm this) check your Terms of Agreement, it used to say "No Botting and No Gold buying". About a month ago (maybe a lil more) Joymax took the No Botting out of the Terms of Agreement. Yes Joymax will still ban gold botters, which has been proven every week after inspection but they are not banning player bots anymore. If you don't believe me look back in your Agreement and see if you can find anything in there that says botting is ilegal. You won't anymore.

If a player bot or two does get banned its because Joymax thought it was a gold bot.

[JesusLOL]

What is his ingame name? I think you should ask him if he ever played somewhere else. The pc he used might have a 3rd party program. I know someone get banned from NO-DC program.

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

His IGN was ImOnDrugs, but um just for the record (i guess no one on here has figured it out yet) Joymax doesn't ban player bots anymore (Yes there is evidence to confirm this) check your Terms of Agreement, it used to say "No Botting and No Gold buying". About a month ago (maybe a lil more) Joymax took the No Botting out of the Terms of Agreement. Yes Joymax will still ban gold botters, which has been proven every week after inspection but they are not banning player bots anymore. If you don't believe me look back in your Agreement and see if you can find anything in there that says botting is ilegal. You won't anymore.

If a player bot or two does get banned its because Joymax thought it was a gold bot.

It says 3rd party software now I believe, and a bot is a 3rd party software. And yes they do ban playerbots. I've posted links above, first read, then post.

[ulquiorra]

What is his ingame name? I think you should ask him if he ever played somewhere else. The pc he used might have a 3rd party program. I know someone get banned from NO-DC program.

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

His IGN was ImOnDrugs, but um just for the record (i guess no one on here has figured it out yet) Joymax doesn't ban player bots anymore (Yes there is evidence to confirm this) check your Terms of Agreement, it used to say "No Botting and No Gold buying". About a month ago (maybe a lil more) Joymax took the No Botting out of the Terms of Agreement. Yes Joymax will still ban gold botters, which has been proven every week after inspection but they are not banning player bots anymore. If you don't believe me look back in your Agreement and see if you can find anything in there that says botting is ilegal. You won't anymore.

If a player bot or two does get banned its because Joymax thought it was a gold bot.

It says 3rd party software now I believe, and a bot is a 3rd party software. And yes they do ban playerbots. I've posted links above, first read, then post.[/quote]


I did read and your post proves nothing, unless you knew those 3 people personally, (which i highly doubt u did) they could easily have been gold bots.

I have a friend who uses his lvl 80 wizard as a gold bot (no his name isn't "jdkdjf" it's an actual name) while he plays on another account.

just because 3 players without the name jfkdihg got banned you think they're not goldbots? ROFL if Joymax was as dumb as you we'd never get any godl bots banned.

I do read before i post, you on the other ahnd should probly think before you post.

[Phouwor]

What even gives you the impression Joymax has software that detects bots, edits, and other such illegal activities? For all we know Joymax just goes around in stealth mode and picks out some people who look suspicious for the sole purpose of adding them to their big bad ban list.

In any case, true or not, I would buy a gold ticket just to be safe. Now that Joymax is banning these so called legit players, I will buy myself that premium plus, a pet, and some useless stuff. After spending $50 or more Joymax will praise you, bot or no bot.

There is no secret that Joymax doesn't ban people bots. The second they actually start hunting down people is the day their game dies. Even if they leave player bots alone, I doubt they will make it to the 100 cap without having half deserted servers.

But now for Joymax's defense. I doubt spotting out real bots is easy. Some people have questionable game styles and some just have lag which makes them look slow like a bot. Take ECSRO for example. I'm sure they have active GM's, yet one third of their server is bots.

Whatever though, as long as I'm not banned I'm happy.

[sparta_sword]

What is his ingame name? I think you should ask him if he ever played somewhere else. The pc he used might have a 3rd party program. I know someone get banned from NO-DC program.

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

His IGN was ImOnDrugs, but um just for the record (i guess no one on here has figured it out yet) Joymax doesn't ban player bots anymore (Yes there is evidence to confirm this) check your Terms of Agreement, it used to say "No Botting and No Gold buying". About a month ago (maybe a lil more) Joymax took the No Botting out of the Terms of Agreement. Yes Joymax will still ban gold botters, which has been proven every week after inspection but they are not banning player bots anymore. If you don't believe me look back in your Agreement and see if you can find anything in there that says botting is ilegal. You won't anymore.

If a player bot or two does get banned its because Joymax thought it was a gold bot.

there have been plenty of non-silk buying player bots banned lately

[Osman]

Every prison is filled with people claiming they are innocent, the same goes with banned players.

[JesusLOL]

What is his ingame name? I think you should ask him if he ever played somewhere else. The pc he used might have a 3rd party program. I know someone get banned from NO-DC program.

OT: JM don't ban SILK BUYING BOTTERs.

Joymax doesn't ban anyone using isro bot and tbot right now I'm pretty sure the program they are using to detect bots, pk2 edits, etc can't detect them at the moment.

His IGN was ImOnDrugs, but um just for the record (i guess no one on here has figured it out yet) Joymax doesn't ban player bots anymore (Yes there is evidence to confirm this) check your Terms of Agreement, it used to say "No Botting and No Gold buying". About a month ago (maybe a lil more) Joymax took the No Botting out of the Terms of Agreement. Yes Joymax will still ban gold botters, which has been proven every week after inspection but they are not banning player bots anymore. If you don't believe me look back in your Agreement and see if you can find anything in there that says botting is ilegal. You won't anymore.

If a player bot or two does get banned its because Joymax thought it was a gold bot.

It says 3rd party software now I believe, and a bot is a 3rd party software. And yes they do ban playerbots. I've posted links above, first read, then post.

I did read and your post proves nothing, unless you knew those 3 people personally, (which i highly doubt u did) they could easily have been gold bots.

I have a friend who uses his lvl 80 wizard as a gold bot (no his name isn't "jdkdjf" it's an actual name) while he plays on another account.

just because 3 players without the name jfkdihg got banned you think they're not goldbots? ROFL if Joymax was as dumb as you we'd never get any godl bots banned.

I do read before i post, you on the other ahnd should probly think before you post.[/quote]

Yes I do know them. So your theory fails.

@Phouwor

You're obv on drugs, you think someone will write down 110k+ names ? srsly.

[alZen]

the recent massive bot bans appears to be good at wiping off the gold bots, they took the cake. the others, whether player bots or whatever type of violating players (and perhaps even innocent ones that some have claimed) were minority compared to the number of gold bots. that's a fact ... and so whatever method they used, it's darn good at getting the gold bots. manual method of GM being physically in the game to do the honors is possible (eg. standing there invisible with a GM skill to cast "BAN skill"), but unlikely, judging from the numbers getting detected and banned.

so there appears to be some sort of pattern they are detecting, either by some programs to look at IPs connecting to their server or 3rd party programs or ... after detecting those violators, do you really think they do an additional step to study the profile of the violators' list to see if they buy silk or not? that's a lot to screen. they may do that additional screening if the ban list is much lesser than it is now.

there can be other theories like jm knows all that bots except they are doing selective banning and all those ... but i prefer to limit my discussion on what's obvious in the recent trends and leave the speculative portions out (unless there are more credible and conclusive proofs available).

oh ... for the records ... hope jm keeps doing the weekly cleanups and rid all violators eventually.

[EvilOrder]

So after hearing about Barotix, i decided to check the Greece ban list for the hell of it...one of my academy members is on there! He's not a botter, he was only level 24 for christ sake! It has nothing to do with inactive accounts, he's on every single day, more than i am. I dont understand how Joymax could think he was a goldbot either, he never grinded in goldbotter territory and 80% of the time the only exp he got was from me power leveling him in the ong field. This is completly f*cked up and wrong! His first char got hacked, and Joymax did nothing about it when he emailed them. Now he makes a new char and he gets banned for no reason at lvl 24. Joymax is really starting to screw up now and it's making me mad. Even legits aren't safe from bans anymore, GG Joymax you certainly know how to ruin a game.

They just put 3500 names in a GIANT hat and pick out names blindfolded. Then they check to see if the person who pulled out has bought silk. If the final answer is no, they get banned =) (this isn't true before anyone flames me. I know people who have bought silk have been banned)

Botting isn't the only reason people get banned. Modified media.pk2's, impersonating a GM or having two clients on at the same time on the same pc (or even possible just under the same IP) is enough to get banned.

However, we can all see from Barotix's case that people are banned randomly. Does it give a reason why he was banned? (thats if you keep in touch with him outside of sro)

THIS IS THE MOST STUPID THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE

for me

he may was using No-Dc client or any another 3rd party programme
or he bought gold(i know lvl 24 will not be he was thinking about the future xD)

he MUST broke any rule so they banned him
and who say that they ban un buying silk players(WHO SAY THE IS A noob sker)
end here

[ulquiorra]

So after hearing about Barotix, i decided to check the Greece ban list for the hell of it...one of my academy members is on there! He's not a botter, he was only level 24 for christ sake! It has nothing to do with inactive accounts, he's on every single day, more than i am. I dont understand how Joymax could think he was a goldbot either, he never grinded in goldbotter territory and 80% of the time the only exp he got was from me power leveling him in the ong field. This is completly f*cked up and wrong! His first char got hacked, and Joymax did nothing about it when he emailed them. Now he makes a new char and he gets banned for no reason at lvl 24. Joymax is really starting to screw up now and it's making me mad. Even legits aren't safe from bans anymore, GG Joymax you certainly know how to ruin a game.

They just put 3500 names in a GIANT hat and pick out names blindfolded. Then they check to see if the person who pulled out has bought silk. If the final answer is no, they get banned =) (this isn't true before anyone flames me. I know people who have bought silk have been banned)

Botting isn't the only reason people get banned. Modified media.pk2's, impersonating a GM or having two clients on at the same time on the same pc (or even possible just under the same IP) is enough to get banned.

However, we can all see from Barotix's case that people are banned randomly. Does it give a reason why he was banned? (thats if you keep in touch with him outside of sro)

THIS IS THE MOST STUPID THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE

for me

he may was using No-Dc client or any another 3rd party programme
or he bought gold(i know lvl 24 will not be he was thinking about the future xD)

he MUST broke any rule so they banned him
and who say that they ban un buying silk players(WHO SAY THE IS A noob sker)
end here

So your saying Barotix is guilty too?

[NuclearSilo]

Powerleveling is illegal. If someone is powerleveled by a bot, then the one who got banned is the one who got plvled, not the bot plvler...
Beside, i doubt incompetent JM is able to detect 3rd pt program.

[ulquiorra]

Powerleveling is illegal. If someone is powerleveled by a bot, then the one who got banned is the one who got plvled, not the bot plvler...
Beside, i doubt incompetent JM is able to detect 3rd pt program.

first of all i'm not a bot.

second, ROFL since when is powerleveling illegal?

[JKMB]

Not everyone banned bots, and the few players who are banned are prolly not cuz of a bot. The so called "testosterone loader" is highly dectectable due to the pk2 edits it uses such as a swear filter and zoomhack, as well as IP altering functions it has, from where I am sitting it would appear that many players who have been banned, have been banned for pk2 alterations, not necessarily bots or in this case, loaders. Its possible I am wrong, im no expert on these things and JM moves does things in mysterious ways, but I would say that players are being banned for pk2 edits, possibly due to complaints about the pk2 edit that lets you see invisble players, idk. thats my thoughts anyway

[Osman]

So your saying Barotix is guilty too?

Yes he is. He just doesn't have the guts to admit it, especially since the "i'm innocent yet I got banned" excuse is working quite well on this forum...

[Barotix]

So your saying Barotix is guilty too?

Yes he is. He just doesn't have the guts to admit it, especially since the "i'm innocent yet I got banned" excuse is working quite well on this forum...

So Amelie, Crumpets, and I are guilty of breaking rules? Sure, Because Joymax is never wrong and is incapable of making mistakes.

[Panu]

So your saying Barotix is guilty too?

Yes he is. He just doesn't have the guts to admit it, especially since the "i'm innocent yet I got banned" excuse is working quite well on this forum...

Osman, what are you trying to say about barotix, that he bots?

[Disconn3cted]

So your saying Barotix is guilty too?

Yes he is. He just doesn't have the guts to admit it, especially since the "i'm innocent yet I got banned" excuse is working quite well on this forum...

So Amelie, Crumpets, and I are guilty of breaking rules? Sure, Because Joymax is never wrong and is incapable of making mistakes.

I've been convinced that joymax is detected altered clients and not bots, you were banned for pk2 edit I think.

[TOloseGT]

barotix didn't bot, he may be homo but he's no bot

[JesusLOL]

So your saying Barotix is guilty too?

Yes he is. He just doesn't have the guts to admit it, especially since the "i'm innocent yet I got banned" excuse is working quite well on this forum...

So Amelie, Crumpets, and I are guilty of breaking rules? Sure, Because Joymax is never wrong and is incapable of making mistakes.

Isn't Crumpets aka Scones the uber botter from 0x33, bad example, lol.

[Osman]

Yes he is. He just doesn't have the guts to admit it, especially since the "i'm innocent yet I got banned" excuse is working quite well on this forum...

So Amelie, Crumpets, and I are guilty of breaking rules? Sure, Because Joymax is never wrong and is incapable of making mistakes.

I've been convinced that joymax is detected altered clients and not bots, you were banned for pk2 edit I think.

The checksum checking is clientsided built into the client itself. The info is not passed to Joymax server. There is no way they can know the client has been altered. NoDC detection is impossible unless they are sitting checking every player's log to see what's the time between each connection attempt . Pk2 edits are not detectable at all, so anyone claiming he got banned for Pk2 is just plain ridiculous and is relying on Your lack of knowledge.

They also do not ban for multiclienting because they stated that since they cannot know if the suspected person is playing along with his let's say brother on the other computer or is it one person multiclienting.

That leaves only two options. He either chargebacked or botted. Well he did not chargeback so that leaves only one option, especially knowing that banned because of a chargeback are not on the banned botters list.

But of course every botter will say he is innocent and it is joymax who made a mistake. It's so easy to blame it on a company that everyone hates...

[TOloseGT]

...anyone claiming he got banned for Pk2 is just plain ridiculous and is relying on Your lack of knowledge.

prove that pk2 editing and altered clients aren't detectable by joymax. u'r relying on our lack of knowledge on the subject to spread what u think are "facts" without proof