[nivlam.com] Seeking help

[Maniac]

Nuclear we need you in srf to compete with all the smarties in SRA.

competition = gud

[NuclearSilo]

This is the post i made in SRA. It seems that D2U is not able to counter it

@Death2U:
Your chart: SilkroadAddiction SP Chart
My chart:


D2U, u are not the only one who knows how to do math. And i dont need to use any complexe computational method like u said, just a bit logic how to find the correct formula is enough :/
Not only u cant prove me wrong but u also dont know how to type correctly and input the right formula...

And about the BS stuffs i pretend to know. Do u have any quote, proof to back up your argument? Or just another proofless comment?

Look at the hapz data from killing 3 monsters.... the level 87 mobs give more SP per level than the 88 mobs. Next time, don't argue with me unless you are 110% certain.

lol
Not only im 110% sure, but 200% sure about what i said. For exemple, when i kill green mob, the exp/sp ratio is 30 (it means that u got 3000 exp vs 100 sexp). But when i kill red mob, the sp ratio is 25 ( it means that the speed of sexp has increased more then exp, like 3750 exp vs 150 sexp)
That's why i said a SP chart depends also on what we kill, there is none universal chart.

Now i give u a question: what if i kill only mangyang, what will be my sp if i go from lvl 80-81 with 0 gap?
Are u able to answer it?

Btw, this is his words for SRF

And you think the SRF community is made of intelligent people? SRF is not the Mensa society. The sad fact of the matter is that a huge majority of the people in this world are stupid. Did you even read the replies you got in SRF? All these... "OMG this formula works great" posts when they don't even know how to do mathematics. All those retards did was plug in some numbers from the wrong formula you provided them and it spits them out a random number, and they reply "OMG your formula is correct" without even knowing how to compare the answer to the true value to test the accuracy of the formula. Nuclear, you know better better than to listen to some gullible and retarded kids.

[ThiefzV2]

http://silkroadaddiction.com/forum2/sil ... -help.html

Here his quote:

D2U, u are not the only one who knows how to do math. And i dont need to use any complexe computational method like u said, just a bit logic how to find the correct formula is enough :/
Not only u cant prove me wrong but u also dont know how to type correctly and input the right formula...

Well, I have news for you; you can't formulate the dmg formula without using "complexe computational method" like you have been trying to lately. You wouldn't be getting anywhere using just the 4 basic arithmetic function. If you think you will, then you are dreaming.

Apparently, you are the one that don't know how to type/input the right formula. The formula on your Excel sheet and the one you posted aren't the same LOL. Have you ever heard of order of operations?
For example, 6/2+1 is NOT the same thing as 6/(2+1) and will produce different answers. This is something that is taught in elementary school, and it is increasing important for large formula. You out of all people should know something as elementary as that. But why am I not suprise.

Also, looks like you changed your formula from your original one you posted on SRF to a new on after you were proven wrong and seen my chart... (and it's still wrong sadly lol)

OLD - ((exp needed to lvl up / (base exp * (1-gap*10%)) * (base sp + (1+gap*10%)) / 400

NEW- lvlupXP/baseXP*(1-gap*10%)*100*(1+gap*10%)/400

And about the BS stuffs i pretend to know. Do u have any quote, proof to back up your argument? Or just another proofless comment?

If you insist... here are your quotes:

That's why i said, a person who goes, for example, lvl 80-81, with 0 gap, fighting green mob lower level (lv 76) will have a lot less SP than the one who fight only orange/red mob

As I mention before, you get the same ratio and therefore the same amount of SP per level no matter what monster you kill (as long as it's green, silver, orange, red). Any difference is small and is due to ingame rounding like I stated when I posted the SP chart. Here are the data from a level 85 killing monsters:

75 Shaur (blue)
47/1 = 47

76 Goat (blue)
500/7 = 71.429

80 Wing Tribe Guardian (green)
5071/83 = 61.096

80 Wing Tring Guardian champ (green)
10143/168 = 60.375

82 Antinoke (silver)
5978/99 = 60.384

83 Antelope (silver)
6342/105 = 60.4

85 Chaser (silver)
7120/118 = 60.339

87 Wing Tribe Attacker (orange)
7970/132 = 60.379

87 Wing Tribe Attacker giant (orange)
119564/1994 = 59.962

88 Rocky (orange)
8423/139 = 60.597

As you can see, the ratio both increase/decrease since as I stated due to the in-game rounding. The monster level is NOT a factor as you can see, unless it's a blue mob where significant rounding error will be introduce since you get little EXP/SXP as you can see above. I hope this is made very clear.

Of course, u have to do it when not in a party, party 4/4 8/8 give u some kind of bonus so it doesnt count.

Party doesn't matter. If you are in a full 4 man party, you get a 9% bonus applied to BOTH your EXP and your SXP. Even a gold/silver ticket doesn't matter since as I stated before, a gold ticket will double both values, NOT just one. So you will take one-half the amount of time to level up and get the same SP. Here's my original statement:
"Let's say if someone don't have a premium get 6000EXP/100SXP per mob. With a gold ticket/premium, there's a 100% increase on both values so the same mob will give them 12000EXP/200SXP. Exact same ratio. Since 6000/100 = 60 and 12000/200 is also = 60. It's like 1/2 and 2/4 both reduces to one-half. The only thing that will be affected is how soon you will reach the next level, not how many more SP you will get by the time you hit the next level. Party bonuses also simply don't matter at all when it comes to the SP chart. As long as you don't fight blue mobs or use an SP ticket (since it affects the SXP without the EXP), then all is good."

If u fight a Mangyang u need to kill 281672373 Mangyangs to lvl up.
so u are not agreed that we can only get 1 exp per Mangyang if we are lvl 90?
kk, i'll wait to see your famous chart that works on all types of mob. Oh, i forgot to say your chart above doesnt work on MangYang and blue mob. Have something else to say?
Waiting...

1st off, you don't get EXP points at all killing Mangyang if you are level 90, only 1 SXP point. Second of all, if you are level 90 and you grind on Mangyangs, then you should shoot yourself. Like I said when I posted my SP chart, killing blue mobs will introduce significant rounding error in the game. I expect people who uses the SP chart to have a little bit of common sense and intelligence not farm SP nor even attempt to level up on Mangyangs. I mention already that my SP chart is accurate for any mobs except blue ones, which 99.9% of people who play this game already do (maybe except you).

Look at the hapz data from killing 3 monsters.... the level 87 mobs give more SP per level than the 88 mobs. Next time, don't argue with me unless you are 110% certain.

Not only im 110% sure, but 200% sure about what i said.

Again, you were proven wrong above.

Now i give u a question: what if i kill only mangyang, what will be my sp if i go from lvl 80-81 with 0 gap?
Are u able to answer it?

Yes, according to my calculation, at level 80 you get 0EXP and 1SXP for every mangyang you kill. The answer is that you will never even level up killing mangyangs, and you will get only 1SP for every 400 mangyangs you kill. You can get a 80 to verify that if you want lol.

Apparently you lack reading comprehension skill. I've every stated everything multiple times already. Any future questions, ask "Kaigar" in this thread because apparently his reading comprehension skill is superb compared to you.
The bottom line is that of course the SP chart isn't going to be 100% accurate due to ingame rounding and dynamics. But people shouldn't complain if they overfarmed/underfarmed 20 SP.... they can get it so fast. But a few thousand SP using other charts... now that's a different story. If you want EXACTNESS, then use the HP chart that I made and released a long time ago (on SRF too) -> HP Chart - Silkroad Addiction Wiki


EDIT: Here's the formula that I got from using multivariable Calculus & computational mathematics (Computational mathematics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) use when I made the SP chart ages ago.

X=GAP
Y=EXP
Z=UNKNOWN VARIABLE CONSTANT, which is now identified as the BXP from the PK2 file.

At any rate, my SP chart I made a long time ago is accurate even though I didn't have the available data we have today from the Pk2 file.

[Plutonium]

Gul, are you going to add an alchemy simulation where you can practice + up your item?

[Furious]

Gul, are you going to add an alchemy simulation where you can practice + up your item?

lol practice? what is there to practice? press Y, place your weapon, place weapon elix and lucky powder and hit Fuse

it's all luck...

[Barotix]

>.> you guys still feuding?
OnT: I'm reading it atm, so I'll make a constructive post afterwards.
@furious, its probability. I need to log in and test some formulas.

[NuclearSilo]

It's not luck yes, im pretending to know stuffs again ^^
Remember there are ppl which is able to make +9 in a row

[Furious]

It's not luck yes, im pretending to know stuffs again ^^
Remember there are ppl which is able to make +9 in a row

ok then explain to me why there are only a few +9's ..
if only 1 person knew, that server would be filled with +9's
the stat's or timing may affect the succes, but ofcourse the main thing involved is luck

don't agree with me? show me proof

oh and BackFire... shut up about your "timing" unless you're finally going to explain yourself, ok?

[Barotix]

It's not luck yes, im pretending to know stuffs again ^^
Remember there are ppl which is able to make +9 in a row

ok then explain to me why there are only a few +9's ..
if only 1 person knew, that server would be filled with +9's
the stat's or timing may affect the succes, but ofcourse the main thing involved is luck

don't agree with me? show me proof

oh and BackFire... shut up about your "timing" unless you're finally going to explain yourself, ok?

No such thing as luck. Everything is numbers. Unless by luck you mean a constant chance randomly generated per drop which would equate to probability, such as 1 in 1218741231872783. Anyhoo, you get the point.

Given infinite time with a decent ratio you could reach +200.

[Maniac]

>.> you guys still feuding?
OnT: I'm reading it atm, so I'll make a constructive post afterwards.
@furious, its probability. I need to log in and test some formulas.

im willing to bet big bucks again that d2a is right once more or else nuclear will refute it already

[Barotix]

>.> you guys still feuding?
OnT: I'm reading it atm, so I'll make a constructive post afterwards.
@furious, its probability. I need to log in and test some formulas.

im willing to bet big bucks again that d2a is right once more or else nuclear will refute it already

I'm going to make a level 7 chinese character, 1:1 hybrid and test some formulas Skayunor and I came up with (mostly him).

[NuclearSilo]

It's not luck yes, im pretending to know stuffs again ^^
Remember there are ppl which is able to make +9 in a row

ok then explain to me why there are only a few +9's ..
if only 1 person knew, that server would be filled with +9's
the stat's or timing may affect the succes, but ofcourse the main thing involved is luck

don't agree with me? show me proof

oh and BackFire... shut up about your "timing" unless you're finally going to explain yourself, ok?

Ok, luck
But it's not just that. We can consider the degree of luck, or how high it is. With method and timing, one can make +9 in a row. Yes, it's luck, but the chance of success is higher than just put elixir, lucky powder and press fuse.
In a fight, a pure int complains he get owned because of the crit of a glaiver, he calls that luck. Yes, it is. But when fighting with a bowman with crit +50% antidevil and complain again he lost because of luck is nonsense.

[NuclearSilo]

>.> you guys still feuding?
OnT: I'm reading it atm, so I'll make a constructive post afterwards.
@furious, its probability. I need to log in and test some formulas.

im willing to bet big bucks again that d2a is right once more or else nuclear will refute it already

I'm going to make a level 7 chinese character, 1:1 hybrid and test some formulas Skayunor and I came up with (mostly him).

lol
too bad i gave away my hybrid 1:1 in ECSRO, the dmg is not that great, although i pwn anyway

[Furious]

It's not luck yes, im pretending to know stuffs again ^^
Remember there are ppl which is able to make +9 in a row

ok then explain to me why there are only a few +9's ..
if only 1 person knew, that server would be filled with +9's
the stat's or timing may affect the succes, but ofcourse the main thing involved is luck

don't agree with me? show me proof

oh and BackFire... shut up about your "timing" unless you're finally going to explain yourself, ok?

Ok, luck
But it's not just that. We can consider the degree of luck, or how high it is. With method and timing, one can make +9 in a row. Yes, it's luck, but the chance of success is higher than just put elixir, lucky powder and press fuse.
In a fight, a pure int complains he get owned because of the crit of a glaiver, he calls that luck. Yes, it is. But when fighting with a bowman with crit +50% antidevil and complain again he lost because of luck is nonsense.

Do you know what affects the succes probability? no? does anybody who plays silkroad know that? i think not.
We don't know what affects the succes rate, so until somebody figures out how alchemy works, we'll just stick with "luck"...

and yes barotix, i know a programm doesn't know 'luck' and that it's all numbers. But you know what i mean

[NuclearSilo]

but i think the one who made +9 in a row know how alchemy works, so i dont call that luck

[Maniac]

but i think the one who made +9 in a row know how alchemy works, so i dont call that luck

with enough immortals/astrals by CCFing anyone can make a +9

I'm going to make a level 7 chinese character, 1:1 hybrid and test some formulas Skayunor and I came up with (mostly him).

which formulas?

[Furious]

we're getting a bit offtopic

anyway.. i do believe there is more than just luck to alchemy, but i don't think anybody has figured it out (or ever will).. maybe parts, but only very little of it...

backfire for example claims to know the "times" to make a +0 to +5... But he also says it's not 100% accurate, but more like a 50% probablity. So maybe he has a part of the way to get to +5 instantly... or maybe he's just lucky ^^

he also says that he can see the max + possible on an item by the percentages of the stats...

so maybe timing, location, stats, blues, percentages, levels and who knows what involve the chance of succes, but i personally think it's impossible to find out.

enough off-topic i think

(off to bed now)

[NuclearSilo]

but i think the one who made +9 in a row know how alchemy works, so i dont call that luck

with enough immortals/astrals by CCFing anyone can make a +9

In a row?

[Maniac]

yes, normally i have moderate luck

but one time I had an sos item to +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 one try in a row but it failed +9 cuz i wanted the blue glow

[Barotix]

ok then explain to me why there are only a few +9's ..
if only 1 person knew, that server would be filled with +9's
the stat's or timing may affect the succes, but ofcourse the main thing involved is luck

don't agree with me? show me proof

oh and BackFire... shut up about your "timing" unless you're finally going to explain yourself, ok?

Ok, luck
But it's not just that. We can consider the degree of luck, or how high it is. With method and timing, one can make +9 in a row. Yes, it's luck, but the chance of success is higher than just put elixir, lucky powder and press fuse.
In a fight, a pure int complains he get owned because of the crit of a glaiver, he calls that luck. Yes, it is. But when fighting with a bowman with crit +50% antidevil and complain again he lost because of luck is nonsense.

Do you know what affects the succes probability? no? does anybody who plays silkroad know that? i think not.
We don't know what affects the succes rate, so until somebody figures out how alchemy works, we'll just stick with "luck"...

and yes barotix, i know a programm doesn't know 'luck' and that it's all numbers. But you know what i mean

D2A probably knows. I got about 2 months before my vacation is over. I'll d/l csro and go through its pk2.

[JesusLOL]

Just joymax knows, stop sucking cocks.

[Maniac]

Ok, luck
But it's not just that. We can consider the degree of luck, or how high it is. With method and timing, one can make +9 in a row. Yes, it's luck, but the chance of success is higher than just put elixir, lucky powder and press fuse.
In a fight, a pure int complains he get owned because of the crit of a glaiver, he calls that luck. Yes, it is. But when fighting with a bowman with crit +50% antidevil and complain again he lost because of luck is nonsense.

Do you know what affects the succes probability? no? does anybody who plays silkroad know that? i think not.
We don't know what affects the succes rate, so until somebody figures out how alchemy works, we'll just stick with "luck"...

and yes barotix, i know a programm doesn't know 'luck' and that it's all numbers. But you know what i mean

D2A probably knows. I got about 2 months before my vacation is over. I'll d/l csro and go through its pk2.

why csro and not isro?

[nightbloom]

D2A must read here cause we were talking about our upcoming super map (made by Cruor, not up quite yet) and D2A wanted to add shading on it for where the success probability is highest so he must know something about it.

[Barotix]

Do you know what affects the succes probability? no? does anybody who plays silkroad know that? i think not.
We don't know what affects the succes rate, so until somebody figures out how alchemy works, we'll just stick with "luck"...

and yes barotix, i know a programm doesn't know 'luck' and that it's all numbers. But you know what i mean

D2A probably knows. I got about 2 months before my vacation is over. I'll d/l csro and go through its pk2.

why csro and not isro?

Because Csro has everything Ksro has, atm. I already have a Csro account and I've taken notes of the things I consider important in the Isro pk2 files. I just never noticed anything related to probability in our files, maybe I was looking in the wrong place. :/

[MixTape]

D2A on sra is death2all?

[nightbloom]

Of course. I collect smart ppl. D2A is wicked smart when it comes to mathematics and can figure out anything. Put him and Cruor together and its awe inspiring.

[Maniac]

D2A probably knows. I got about 2 months before my vacation is over. I'll d/l csro and go through its pk2.

why csro and not isro?

Because Csro has everything Ksro has, atm. I already have a Csro account and I've taken notes of the things I consider important in the Isro pk2 files. I just never noticed anything related to probability in our files, maybe I was looking in the wrong place. :/

methinks thats cause probability is serversided.

>.> you guys still feuding?
OnT: I'm reading it atm, so I'll make a constructive post afterwards.
@furious, its probability. I need to log in and test some formulas.

how are those 2 things coming?

[MMO_Doug]

So is alchemy clientsided?

[ThiefzV2]

So is alchemy clientsided?

serverside