Who ever thought of Suicide

[Reise]

Heh Grim I hope English wasn't your first language bud.

Also I'm not sure what you're trying to say either.

[Nantosh]

@ Grim - So you're saying those who have never bothered to ponder on the meaning behind life and death are simply in denial? Ho-ho, someones a ignorant, one sided fool.

[blackfalcon]

i have once or twice. everyone goes thru sh*t sometime in their life and i think its normal to sometimes have those thoughts. but i sure as hell would nvr try it

*edit*
actually i nvr thought of suicide, more of just thinking that i would rather be dead. but i cant really imagine what would drive someone to actually do it. i can only think of a few situations where ur life would be so f*cked that u would even have a reason to do it

[Grimjaw]

@ Grim - So you're saying those who have never bothered to ponder on the meaning behind life and death are simply in denial? Ho-ho, someones a ignorant, one sided fool.

No,Nantosh. Once again you fail to see the bigger picture.

That is not what it says,but i can understand why you would interpert it in that way.
But you did prove that i was right in the first place about everything i posted.

Maybe one day you will understand.

[Nantosh]

@ Grim - So you're saying those who have never bothered to ponder on the meaning behind life and death are simply in denial? Ho-ho, someones a ignorant, one sided fool.

No,Nantosh. Once again you fail to see the bigger picture.

That is not what it says,but i can understand why you would interpert it in that way.
But you did prove that i was right in the first place about everything i posted.

Maybe one day you will understand.

Wow, how arrogant. I truly do dislike people like you.

Seeing the 'bigger picture' can be interpreted in many ways. When in the context of Life, Death and it's aftermath, one can usually ascertain that to Religion. I, for one, do not care for Religion of any kind and choose to be simply Atheist in all respects. However, I am not violent about it, nor am I prophetic. I simply am.

So, what exactly are those who choose not to see the bigger picture turning a blind eye to? ^ ^

[Grandpa]

Well, maybe you can connect the rising rate of teen suicides with the rising popularity of "emo" culture.
To say there's no connection would be straight up denying the truth.

Agreed.

you ppl are really annoying sometimes. I feel like im stuck in the HS class where they mixed the dumb kids in with the smart ones and nothing gets done because the dumb ppl band together and cause a needless, baseless, and pointless, and ignorant disturbance.

Agreed with the above... pardon me for being that way, I'm gonna do it again even now.
For lack of wood a fire goes out; my best thought would be to simply drop it.
It is like they say though, I'm not that wise.

I'm sure every1 has...we r human after all

+1

To brentonsbbe359, respectfully, I disagree but only slightly.
If, for instance, I chose to debate your side of the argument it would be too easy. The topic is titled, "Who ever thought of Suicide". The poll allows only two possible answers and setting aside the obvious argument that this is a bifurcation fallacy and false dilemma, there are only two answers. The question does NOT demand self eradication or thoughts of killing ones self. Conclusively, any person who posts here in any intelligent form is, by definition, thinking of suicide albeit it may be limited to the suicide of others.

I do disagree with the sentiment though, when you state that suicidal ideation (the process of forming ideas or images regarding self murder) is common to all humans. There are a couple here who may object to my saying so, but I am a believer in the promise that God made to His children and that it applies to one extent or another to all mankind.
What promise? "You will not be tempted beyond your endurance."

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has seized you beyond what people normally experience, and God can be trusted not to allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear.
On the contrary, along with the temptation he will also provide the way out, so that you will be able to endure.

The Apostle was speaking to Christians when he wrote that.
It was not written to the world at large, there is no inherent promise that can be construed but, and having said that, biblical principles do apply (to one extent or another) to all life.
My thought is that those who have never come to terms with grief have either not lived enough or have been spared and should be thankful.
Notice what he said though, "No temptation has seized you beyond what people normally experience".

Final quote: an excerpt from one of my favorite poems. "Love" by Kahlil Gibran
Kahlil Gibran: ...But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears...

~Granps
Be ye wise as serpents, harmless as doves.

[XemnasXD]

kahlil gibran?! oh my my you have good taste, few ppl understand the human mind and soul so well.

[Nantosh]

I'm sure every1 has...we r human after all

+1

To brentonsbbe359, respectfully, I disagree but only slightly.
If, for instance, I chose to debate your side of the argument it would be too easy. The topic is titled, "Who ever thought of Suicide". The poll allows only two possible answers and setting aside the obvious argument that this is a bifurcation fallacy and false dilemma, there are only two answers. The question does NOT demand self eradication or thoughts of killing ones self. Conclusively, any person who posts here in any intelligent form is, by definition, thinking of suicide albeit it may be limited to the suicide of others.

But that's not how it's meant to be taken.
The question is whether you have ever throughout your lifetime mused over the thought of suicide, not whether you are thinking of it now as you read this thread. Any one person who posts in here in any intelligent form is just stating whether they have or they haven't and they're opinion. Remember, the human race varies immensely. We do not all think the same thoughts, have the same morals or believe in the same god. That, by definition, is genetically impossible.

I do disagree with the sentiment though, when you state that suicidal ideation (the process of forming ideas or images regarding self murder) is common to all humans. There are a couple here who may object to my saying so, but I am a believer in the promise that God made to His children and that it applies to one extent or another to all mankind.
What promise? "You will not be tempted beyond your endurance."

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has seized you beyond what people normally experience, and God can be trusted not to allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear.
On the contrary, along with the temptation he will also provide the way out, so that you will be able to endure.

The Apostle was speaking to Christians when he wrote that. That's nice.
It was not written to the world at large, there is no inherent promise that can be construed but, and having said that, biblical principles do apply (to one extent or another) to all life. I guess... it's kinda round-a-bout but whatever...
My thought is that those who have never come to terms with grief have either not lived enough or have been spared and should be thankful. That itself is over generalization. Not everyone is the same as you, or who you've met or what you perceive someone to be. We all experience grief differently, from simply shrugging something off and leaving yourself indifferent to the extremes such as thoughts of self mutalation.
Notice what he said though, "No temptation has seized you beyond what people normally experience". I don't care.

~Granps
Be ye wise as serpents, harmless as doves. Lulz...

[Grandpa]

Wow. Well I smell fake all over you. I get the feeling of an immature 10 year old trying to look wise and masking his horrible grammar.
That or English isn't your first language ^ ^

@Reise - Agreed.

Nantosh, I wasn't actually speaking to you. Question: Have you changed your opinion about me yet?

[Nantosh]

Wow. Well I smell fake all over you. I get the feeling of an immature 10 year old trying to look wise and masking his horrible grammar.
That or English isn't your first language ^ ^

@Reise - Agreed.

Nantosh, I wasn't actually speaking to you. Question: Have you changed your opinion about me yet?

Yes. But your posts prior (including that ridiculous Kanji one) led me to my conclusion. However, I still find the majority of your arguments valid and reflective ^ ^
It's more your style now that throws me off, but then again, you certainly are unique on these forums ^ ^

[Grandpa]

Wow. Well I smell fake all over you. I get the feeling of an immature 10 year old trying to look wise and masking his horrible grammar.
That or English isn't your first language ^ ^

@Reise - Agreed.

Nantosh, I wasn't actually speaking to you. Question: Have you changed your opinion about me yet?

Yes. But your posts prior (including that ridiculous Kanji one) led me to my conclusion. However, I still find the majority of your arguments valid and reflective ^ ^
It's more your style now that throws me off, but then again, you certainly are unique on these forums ^ ^

Oh, so that's where we spoke before. I was going to update that post where you said (in part),

Oh, and your diagnosis of the kanji 小　is about right. For example, the kanji for sun evolved from a round sun with lines as light, to a circle with a line in it, to 日。Many Japanese books help show the origin and reasons why Kanji are the way they are, just gotta look for em ^ ^

I never got a reply on that one so I didn't want to necro that old thread just to say that I was wrong. My 'expert' from another forum did seem sincere when she offered though.

Thx for the reply, you were welcome to your opinion then, still are. To me it's not a grave insult to be called a ignorant ten year old who canna speak engrish berry wells. Check my profile, if you like, I'm sure you'll continue to 'skeptical'.

~Grandpa

[XuChu]

Death is inevitable, but to think of suicide as a solution, is I'm sorry; cowardice.
There has been no instance of immortality, or one who has evaded death. However because of our luxurious lifestyle, we seemed to lost one virtue that our ancestors had, we've forgotten the fact that 'we will die.' When we think of death we do not associate ourselves with it, in fact we distance ourselves from it, rarely do we ever consider truly that we will die.

In truth if you think about it, 'we are all dead men' life is merely a continuity of moment before ones death. Man's life is like a boy getting his first injection, no matter what you do the result will be the same, man dies, boy gets injection. That is not to say however, that you should just die without doing anything.
There are 3 types of death.
One in which a man has died for no goals, like those of animals who seek to survive everyday and then just die. This is the most worthless death .
Two when a man dies in attempt to reach his goals or to redeem himself, this is acceptable, however not the ideal.
Three when a man dies for his goals, or after the achievement of his goals. This is the most ideal death.

[ghostkilla43]

Yes, and no, ive thought about what it would be like, where do i go after this? what it would be like ect.
but actually taking my own life no.

[tedtwilliger]

Don't we already have enough emo forums on the net?
/sigh

Dont we have a place where stereotypical burkes can post their crap elsewhere? Dont assume each suicide case with a teenager who is "placed" into a group whcih was created as a music/fashion statement. I thought you of all people would know better.

As far as the question goes, i indeed have. Though its only human nature to think of it, right?

[Grandpa]

This from issue #3 of the Sandy Spring Friends Meeting, a prison journal:

WALK ALONE

by John Worsham

I used to lie in my hospital bed,
And often prayed that I were dead.
I felt the pain deep inside,
And forgot that I once had pride.
I couldn’t see what this war had done,
Taken my childhood, replaced with a gun.

I was so busy feeling sorry for me;
Blinded by hate, I couldn’t see.
Not hate for others, who I did fight;
But for failing to see wrong from right.
The pity that grew inside of me;
Changed me from what I used to be.

But now I know just how I feel;
I know the truth and what is real.
The pity’s not mine, and I should not hide.
For as a soldier, we stood side by side.
As soldiers we suffer, it’s how we live.
Giving all we have to give.

So feel no pity inside your heart.
Know with love, your life can now start.
You’re not alone, and will never be.
For as a soldier, you walk with me.

More about Sandy Spring Friends:

Published by the Prison Committee
of Sandy Spring Friends Meeting
Edited by: John & Ann Worley

We would appreciate receiving submissions
of essays, poems, or art
work (smaller than 11 x 17).
Our purpose in compiling this Journal
is to provide an outlet for inmates
to have their talents recognized.

Submissions and requests for the
Prison Journal should be sent to:
Prison Journal
Sandy Spring Friends Meeting
17715 Meeting House Road
Sandy Spring, MD 20860

To XuChu: Thanks for your comment, I appreciate your thoughts here.

~Grandpa

[Nantosh]

Oh, so that's where we spoke before. I was going to update that post where you said (in part),

Oh, and your diagnosis of the kanji 小　is about right. For example, the kanji for sun evolved from a round sun with lines as light, to a circle with a line in it, to 日。Many Japanese books help show the origin and reasons why Kanji are the way they are, just gotta look for em ^ ^

I never got a reply on that one so I didn't want to necro that old thread just to say that I was wrong. My 'expert' from another forum did seem sincere when she offered though. I'm sure you'll continue to 'skeptical'.

She/he is exactly right. I've read it quite a few times when going through Kanji dictionaries, and the two you're examplifing are the dead obvious ones ^ ^. Try 川　(かわ）　for instance. It in itself means river, and if you look, it resembles the flow of a stream quite nicely. Anyways, I'm glad you figured it out ^ ^

I'm sure you'll continue to 'skeptical'.

LULZLULZLULZLULZLULZ!
Do you happen to mean "I'm sure you'll continue to remain 'skeptical'. Or it could be...
"I'm sure you'll continue to 'skepticize'."
Which, by the way, I am, but I'm not really that important, so it'd be best to just forget about me ^ ^
L<3VE ^ ^