13 years old girl hangs herself

[Reise]

Jeez still on this huh?

Well it's been said already really, the only one at fault for her suicide is herself. Everyone on the planet goes through different problems and experiences, and some people just don't have the constitution to get through it. So instead of working things out, they decide to end themselves. What a waste.

[Grandpa]

Jeez still on this huh?

Well it's been said already really, the only one at fault for her suicide is herself. Everyone on the planet goes through different problems and experiences, and some people just don't have the constitution to get through it. So instead of working things out, they decide to end themselves. What a waste.

From what you state would it be fair for me to conclude that your view supports the belief that there is no basis for the legal necessity to prevent harm?

Question 2:
What if... I had it in my power to prevent harm from befalling you or one of your loved ones and did nothing?

It's their fault and only their fault,

And by my inactivity the harm continued, nay - it prospered, would this be ok to you?
Would my apathy be a reasonable defense (to you, the blood kin of the victim)?

IF the overall suicide rate could be affected by common sense applied uncommonly would we do it?
Could we?
If not, why not?
What one thing can continue to prevent the healing of our nation, our world?

You may pardon the pointedness of my reply or not (I understand from your last comment "What a waste" that you are not apathetic) but please do take the time to read through the thread.
There's probably at minimum a dozen or so posts here alone that cite family members who have been victims of the tragedy of unnecessary violence.
Rape, murder (self-inflicted or not) and violence are rampant in our society.
It's a shame to each of us that this is so, isn't it?

I do agree with Judge though, this post is quotable:

You guys are trying to place the blame on her parents, the music, or nobody at all. In truth, its probably the combined stress from life, her relationship with her parents, the music, and everything else that takes her to the brink of sanity. Who knows? She could have had a traumatic childhood to boot.

Rather than being strong enough to face her problems head on, she was drawn in by the allure of suicide. In other words, life is tough, none of us know the exact reason why she killed herself, and speculation is stupid.

Except for the last part. Deep understanding of the "WHY" of things can help, right?

[Reise]

Jeez still on this huh?

Well it's been said already really, the only one at fault for her suicide is herself. Everyone on the planet goes through different problems and experiences, and some people just don't have the constitution to get through it. So instead of working things out, they decide to end themselves. What a waste.

From what you state would it be fair for me to conclude that your view supports the belief that there is no basis for the legal necessity to prevent harm?

Yeah you could say that. I'm not a strong believer in certain "safeties" that may or may not prevent someone from being hurt. Like for instance gun laws and bans, but that's a different story.

Question 2:
What if... I had it in my power to prevent harm from befalling you or one of your loved ones and did nothing?

It's their fault and only their fault,

And by my inactivity the harm continued, nay - it prospered, would this be ok to you?
Would my apathy be a reasonable defense (to you, the blood kin of the victim)?

IF the overall suicide rate could be affected by common sense applied uncommonly would we do it?
Could we?
If not, why not?
What one thing can continue to prevent the healing of our nation, our world?

I'd definitely be against doing something to try and "help" it. One can't predict when something like that will happen, and obviously it will regardless. It'd be like trying to stop the flow of a river with just a small stick. You'd be fighting something you can't win against. And even if you could hypothetically, in reality it's just not possible.

You may pardon the pointedness of my reply or not (I understand from your last comment "What a waste" that you are not apathetic) but please do take the time to read through the thread.
There's probably at minimum a dozen or so posts here alone that cite family members who have been victims of the tragedy of unnecessary violence.
Rape, murder (self-inflicted or not) and violence are rampant in our society.
It's a shame to each of us that this is so, isn't it?

Yeah it's a shame. People won't stop though, it's just the way we are. As for people who are suicidal, yeah it sucks they have it bad enough to just call it quits, but it takes a special kind of quitter to decide he doesn't even want another chance.

[Judge]

:roll: Quoting Judge from above (speaking in reply to another post)

You sir are the only one to hit the nail on the dime, for that I salute you. There is no one action, inaction, person, place, or art to blame. It is a mix, a hash, a combination. It was it all, the attraction, that fantasy. The obsession. Death, a tragic yet beautiful episode. She wanted it, either as an escape or to fulfill a dream, a want, a drive, a void. There is not one single universal cause and no one person, place, or thing is to blame. Let us leave it at that.

Mr.Judge,

I have enjoyed reading your posts. You command quite a bit of respect (and I don't often say this). I agree with what you are saying about 'cause'. The thread opened with a link to a superficial journalist who apparently wanted to increase circulation by grabbing a headline. The fact that it has been discussed to such extent here (as well as other forums and media) points toward the journalists well chosen strategy.

Still, and more toward what you were saying ("there is not one single universal cause and no one person, place, or thing is to blame. Let us leave it at that")... [emphasis mine]

Would it be fair for me to think that you are advocating doing nothing about the increasing tragedy we see in society? From what I know of you by reading your posts I can't believe it would be fair of me to so do. Let it not be so.

~Granps

Let us leave it at that was reinforcement of my previous statement: "there is not one single universal cause... etc" (i.e.) it is better to realize there are several factors and variables to be accounted for rather than cast the blame on others who may not be at fault here. If you have the means to prevent self-harm or suicide then by all means do so.

[Grandpa]

Let us leave it at that was reinforcement of my previous statement: "there is not one single universal cause... etc" (i.e.) it is better to realize there are several factors and variables to be accounted for rather than cast the blame on others who may not be at fault here. If you have the means to prevent self-harm or suicide then by all means do so.

Thanks for the reply, with you I always need to ask instead of jump (to conclusions). There are suicide prevention hot-lines nationwide. My ex-wife once called me and I asked her if she had enough money for the phone call, told her that it would be okay to call me collect. She did so and I was able to call the operator to get "time and charges" and determine the city she was calling from. From there it was a matter of calling the local police and advising them, she had already been placed on the national list.

They found her in a very small town in Texas and brought her to a hospital for treatment. We are divorced since forever ago when she left (my youngest was three years old then) but I would hate to have seen anything happen to her. Hopefully she's happy and doing well. With her it was a combination of factors (of course). Drugs had an effect, as did drinking and alcoholism. Postpartum depressions and general depression as well. Her mom was an orphan and I suspect neither she nor her mom had good role models in terms of strong, healthy mothering. She was 'shipped off' to Grandma on her dad's side when she reached her teen years. This may or may not have anything to do with it but she also came from a family of religious people, both her mom and her dad being missionaries. When she was socially (and sexually) active her parents (in my view) were more concerned by possible stigma than her. I'm sure that it could be said that her husband (me) can share the blame if 'blame' were to be passed out evenly. Her story was a sad one and I still love her although we have fallen out of touch. Last I knew she was doing well enough in the state furthest from me (not sure if THAT means anything either).

I agree there is 'no one cause'. Throughout the rearing of my boys I was told, "It's good to see a dad so interested in his children, you don't know how rare that is." We had lots of help, my oldest (from her) was called / labeled SBD 'Severely Behaviorally Disabled" in first grade public school. That was later changed to SED (emotionally disabled) and then, when tested again (at my request), was 'downgraded' to Learning Disabled during high school. The school psychologist said that this was 'unheard of' and we were thankful. It was a symbol of the work of many (especially my son) being validated. My younger was physically challenged from birth. Both are thriving and doing very well today. No time in jail, no slaughters of their fellow students and in point of fact my oldest has 1,000's of volunteer hours in Search and Rescue, my youngest is a loving and caring husband and father (daddy) of two boys himself. Needless to say, I'm a proud dad and a very proud grandpa. Who knows who we would have become if things were different, certainly not me. I do thank God for helping me to understand that 'we' are vital parts of each other.

~Gramps

[Crumpets]

I smell bullshit.

Hmmmmm.

[Grandpa]

I smell bullshit.

Hmmmmm.

Did I misquote you? No. Is your comment worth a reply? Hardly.

Wall

Next time you quote me. Don't take it out of context. Allright ?

Your last attempt failed too. If you want to confront me, do so. Frankly I don't appreciate personal attacks on the forum no matter how thinly veiled they are. But as for me? Anything you need, if it is within my power, just ask.


Signed, a friend born for the day of adversity.

[Crumpets]

I smell bullshit.

Hmmmmm.

Did I misquote you? No. Is your comment worth a reply? Hardly.

Wall

Next time you quote me. Don't take it out of context. Allright ?

Your last attempt failed too. If you want to confront me, do so. Frankly I don't appreciate personal attacks on the forum no matter how thinly veiled they are. But as for me? Anything you need, if it is within my power, just ask.


Signed, a friend born for the day of adversity.

If that's a personal attack then I'm Hitler.

Your reading comprehension is years behind you.

[user]

to laugh at someones death is just ignorant.

Darwin's theory at work my friend, 'survivial of the fittest'

[LillDev!l]

ugh, this topic is so full of ignorance.
i bet there are so many ppl here having a wonderfull and easy life, who take everything for granted. yet they judge this girl.
sigh, for whoever laughed at her, i hope you'll have to watch your father/mother die slowly, i hope you'll lose everyone you love, then i'dd like to see you post here again, i doubt you'dd laugh then ^^
i dont know how this girl lived, it could be that shes just a weak person, it could could be she is a strong person but the problems she had were to much on her. hard to judge what you dont know ...

(forgive me for my noobieness @ english sometimes )

[Pham]

Dumb people

+1
i lol at her death

Was dumb but to laugh at someones death is just ignorant.

+ infinity

laughing at peoples death? thats pathetic, even if my worst enemy die i would still respect their death. At little devil i agree with you to. Most of people on srf probaly little kids and their parents pay for their silk and everything and they have a good life, and they dont knwo what its like so they dont understand so they laugh at people suiciding because of a bad life.

[Pham]

to laugh at someones death is just ignorant.

Darwin's theory at work my friend, 'survivial of the fittest'

Pham's theory of idiots trying to relate scientific theories pretending to be smart but really the theory they are relating has nothing to do with suicide.

[chesticles]

There are how many people in this world? 6 billion? Why do we focus on 1 person? Who cares about this girl? Why am i typing in question form?
Why wont you let this topic die?

[Grimm-.-]

There are how many people in this world? 6 billion? Why do we focus on 1 person? Who cares about this girl? Why am i typing in question form?
Why wont you let this topic die?

Caring about one person can save many others.
: We find out what caused this girls suicide.
We save many other teenagers from throwing there life's away.

... But It is getting annoying with this topic not dieing and all....

[Crumpets]

There are how many people in this world? 6 billion? Why do we focus on 1 person? Who cares about this girl? Why am i typing in question form?
Why wont you let this topic die?

Caring about one person can save many others.
: We find out what caused this girls suicide.
We save many other teenagers from throwing there life's away.

... But It is getting annoying with this topic not dieing and all....

Easy to find out what caused it:

Parental neglect.

As in all cases. Blame it on whatever .. emo scene .. music .. games .. movies .. in the end it's the parent that is always to blame.

[Grimjaw]

Darwin's theory at work my friend, 'survivial of the fittest'

Darwin you say, Here is something i remember from back in the day:

The Darwins had ten children: two died in infancy, and Annie's death at the age of ten had a devastating effect on her parents. Charles was a devoted father and uncommonly attentive to his children. Whenever they fell ill he feared that they might have inherited weaknesses from inbreeding due to the close family ties he shared with his wife and cousin, Emma Wedgwood.

I bet Charles was dancing with pride and beaming with confidence when the first three of his beloved children died.

You get my point?

[chesticles]

LET IT DIE ALREADY F**KIN A!

[Grimjaw]

LET IT DIE ALREADY F**KIN A!

But i still had something i wanted to share,and you are in no position to order me to stop posting. Most likely you will now try to instigate a flame topic which will lead to it's closure.

Or you could prove me wrong. which i severly doubt.

[chesticles]

im not ordering you im just making a general statement, please your not that important. I dont want to start anything with you. Im just sick of goin to the OTL and seeing this f**king thread.

[Barotix]

im not ordering you im just making a general statement, please your not that important. I dont want to start anything with you. Im just sick of goin to the OTL and seeing this f**king thread.

Then ignore the thread?

[Grimjaw]

im not ordering you im just making a general statement, please your not that important. I dont want to start anything with you. Im just sick of goin to the OTL and seeing this f**king thread.

Don't worry about me feeling 'special' since i feel nothing of the kind.

You are always welcome to voice you're opinion,but posting right under my previous post with capital letters saying 'let this topic die' Pure for the reason you are sick of seeing it popping up ? People can discuss these things to their hearts content.

I understand you're frustration but you will just have to bare with it for the time being.

[chesticles]

im not ordering you im just making a general statement, please your not that important. I dont want to start anything with you. Im just sick of goin to the OTL and seeing this f**king thread.

Don't worry about me feeling 'special' since i feel nothing of the kind.

You are always welcome to voice you're opinion,but posting right under my previous post with capital letters saying 'let this topic die' Pure for the reason you are sick of seeing it popping up ? People can discuss these things to their hearts content.

I understand you're frustration but you will just have to bare with it for the time being.

Yep I guess so . I also wish i could add mods to my foe list

[Grandpa]

But i still had something i wanted to share...

Yes? Unless you forgot because of the Red interruption (that happens to me sometimes) please do.

I found your comment about Mr. Darwin of interest and my respect for the man went up having read that.

~Granps

[devin]

thats to sad...she probably would still be alive if she had gotten some help.