2H WARRIOR/ROGUE

[ahmedsabry]

errrrrrr...
dont u get KD from Xbow's Hurricane Shot ???!
is it worth wasting a mastery for something u can actually get from ur very own rogue tree?
and plz dont tell me ur getting warrior for the defence.. u'll get FAR better defence from a cleric sub.
and as for the warlock sub thingy.. u cant actually have a tactic against a warlock. Daze (the stun) is VERY VERY FAST.. much much faster than any other attack in the whole game (maybe even faster than the superfast chinese lion shout)
so basically u'll be stunned and unable to react b4 u even know it.
anyway i guess u havent found someone who is a match for u in pvp cuz u havent found someone skilled/fast enough. i guess u havent pvped a rogue/warlock b4 for example?

[weymouthhall]

Hey can you show me some pvp movies of your warrio/rogue??


Greetz

Sure, as soon as I get to 90 and finish up with my last tier gears, I will work on some pvp vids just so people can understand better about this build.
I did pvp alot back at 80 cap, but my computer is too laggy for the video recordings.
Any suggestion on free video recordings programs will be great appreciated

[weymouthhall]

errrrrrr...
dont u get KD from Xbow's Hurricane Shot ???!
is it worth wasting a mastery for something u can actually get from ur very own rogue tree?
and plz dont tell me ur getting warrior for the defence.. u'll get FAR better defence from a cleric sub.
and as for the warlock sub thingy.. u cant actually have a tactic against a warlock. Daze (the stun) is VERY VERY FAST.. much much faster than any other attack in the whole game (maybe even faster than the superfast chinese lion shout)
so basically u'll be stunned and unable to react b4 u even know it.
anyway i guess u havent found someone who is a match for u in pvp cuz u havent found someone skilled/fast enough. i guess u havent pvped a rogue/warlock b4 for example?

Yes, u are quite right, I havent pvp against rogue/ warlock before. I would very much like to fare against one soon if I have a chance though.
About KD from xbow's hurricane shot, I did test that before when I first finished farming. I agree the KB and KD chance for xbow is higher than 2handsword, but using xbow without any defense buffs as cleric's bless spell or warrior's skins can get u kill easily before you even know it.
And no, I dont get warrior for defense only, its actually more for the offense purpose. Defensive side comes in handy when ur opponent block your dagger hits and when u are up against warlock sub chars or wizard/ clerics, etc.

[muyo]

nevermind..no need to focus much on melee+warlock build( my server has too many of this warlock thingy but most of them wizard and few warrior)

Warrior/Rogue is one of the alternative build, melee and range from xbow is quite a versatile build.

right now i only have warrior mastery but getting ks like crazy im thinking of going warlock but dont know whether warrior skill can farm fast later level.

Should have farm earlier

[carnage]

Sure, as is too laggy for the video recordings.
Any suggestion on free video recordings programs will be great appreciated

Fraps or gamecam are good.

for the one that asked for the video here is one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CWNjARdcn50

[weymouthhall]

Sure, as is too laggy for the video recordings.
Any suggestion on free video recordings programs will be great appreciated

Fraps or gamecam are good.

for the one that asked for the video here is one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CWNjARdcn50

Nope, thats not the way that you suppose to use warrior/ rogue AT ALL.
Vortex1337 is warrior/ rogue as well but I dont see any backup strategies and connections between rogue and warrior when he used them, which is a shame really for this build. Notice in all of his pvp vids, he only used warrior 2hander to fight, which is very vulnerable after the 45 secs skins run out, only time that he used xbow is against the sword and shield nuker, which, he was very close to be killed under xbow xtreme. I agree the way to make up for that is when skin run out, turn on vital increase, switch to sword and shield to tank until the skin is back again. But what good will that do? It will just be along and tedious fight over and over again, hoping to get double crits from daredevil to finish a fight. What will you do against a warior/ cleric with back to back skin and bless spell that need only less than 30 secs to cool down?Fight for eternity or what?
The most important offensive skills for this build is the dagger tree, backed up by warrior 2hand skills. Combine daredevil, follow up by bash skill to knock down, change to dagger,turn on Dagger Desperate, mortal wounds,and if needed, follow up by prick and butterfly depending on the situations. Main point is to keep stacking up massive damages one after another in such a short interval of time, which dagger attacks are perfect for
Intuitive set-ups for quick and versatile weapon switchs is also very important

[ahmedsabry]

errrrrrr...
dont u get KD from Xbow's Hurricane Shot ???!
is it worth wasting a mastery for something u can actually get from ur very own rogue tree?
and plz dont tell me ur getting warrior for the defence.. u'll get FAR better defence from a cleric sub.
and as for the warlock sub thingy.. u cant actually have a tactic against a warlock. Daze (the stun) is VERY VERY FAST.. much much faster than any other attack in the whole game (maybe even faster than the superfast chinese lion shout)
so basically u'll be stunned and unable to react b4 u even know it.
anyway i guess u havent found someone who is a match for u in pvp cuz u havent found someone skilled/fast enough. i guess u havent pvped a rogue/warlock b4 for example?

Yes, u are quite right, I havent pvp against rogue/ warlock before. I would very much like to fare against one soon if I have a chance though.
About KD from xbow's hurricane shot, I did test that before when I first finished farming. I agree the KB and KD chance for xbow is higher than 2handsword, but using xbow without any defense buffs as cleric's bless spell or warrior's skins can get u kill easily before you even know it.
And no, I dont get warrior for defense only, its actually more for the offense purpose. Defensive side comes in handy when ur opponent block your dagger hits and when u are up against warlock sub chars or wizard/ clerics, etc.

yea.. thats why i say use cleric for defence.. bless!
i dont really know about using warriors offensively since i have no great experience, so i cant say anything to that.

[CLOT]

Sure, as is too laggy for the video recordings.
Any suggestion on free video recordings programs will be great appreciated

Fraps or gamecam are good.

for the one that asked for the video here is one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CWNjARdcn50

Nope, thats not the way that you suppose to use warrior/ rogue AT ALL.
Vortex1337 is warrior/ rogue as well but I dont see any backup strategies and connections between rogue and warrior when he used them, which is a shame really for this build. Notice in all of his pvp vids, he only used warrior 2hander to fight, which is very vulnerable after the 45 secs run out, only time that he used xbow is against the sword and shield nuker, which, he was very close to be killed under xbow xtreme. I agree the way to make up for that is when skin run out, turn on vital increase, switch to sword and shield to tank until the skin is back again. But what good will that do? It will just be along and tedious fight over and over again, hoping to get double crits from daredevil to finish a fight. What will you do against a warior/ cleric with back to back skin and bless spell that need only less than 30 secs to cool down?Fight for eternity or what?
The most important offensive skills for this build is the dagger tree, backed up by warrior 2hand skills. Combine daredevil, follow up by bash skill to knock down, change to dagger, DD, mortal wounds,and if needed, follow up by prick and butterfly depending on the situations. Main point is to keep stacking up massive damages one after another in such a short interval of time, which dagger attacks are perfect for
Intuitive set-ups for quick and versatile weapon switchs is also very important

dun mess with da pro warrior/rogue u shld really make a vid when u are pvping wif me and other ppl a few weeks ago @ 80cap, juz to prove to them

[ahmedsabry]

Nope, thats not the way that you suppose to use warrior/ rogue AT ALL.
Vortex1337 is warrior/ rogue as well but I dont see any backup strategies and connections between rogue and warrior when he used them, which is a shame really for this build. Notice in all of his pvp vids, he only used warrior 2hander to fight, which is very vulnerable after the 45 secs run out, only time that he used xbow is against the sword and shield nuker, which, he was very close to be killed under xbow xtreme. I agree the way to make up for that is when skin run out, turn on vital increase, switch to sword and shield to tank until the skin is back again. But what good will that do? It will just be along and tedious fight over and over again, hoping to get double crits from daredevil to finish a fight. What will you do against a warior/ cleric with back to back skin and bless spell that need only less than 30 secs to cool down?Fight for eternity or what?
The most important offensive skills for this build is the dagger tree, backed up by warrior 2hand skills. Combine daredevil, follow up by bash skill to knock down, change to dagger, DD, mortal wounds,and if needed, follow up by prick and butterfly depending on the situations. Main point is to keep stacking up massive damages one after another in such a short interval of time, which dagger attacks are perfect for
Intuitive set-ups for quick and versatile weapon switchs is also very important

dun mess with da pro warrior/rogue u shld really make a vid when u are pvping wif me and other ppl a few weeks ago @ 80cap, juz to prove to them

lol
i guess i wont understand what would make this build special unless i see a vid of it..
i still insist u can do the "KD + Mortal wounds" combo with Xbow while having bless on, while bless stays on switching.(hopefully u can prove me wrong with a video )

[UniqueSpawn]

Nope, thats not the way that you suppose to use warrior/ rogue AT ALL.
Vortex1337 is warrior/ rogue as well but I dont see any backup strategies and connections between rogue and warrior when he used them, which is a shame really for this build. Notice in all of his pvp vids, he only used warrior 2hander to fight, which is very vulnerable after the 45 secs run out, only time that he used xbow is against the sword and shield nuker, which, he was very close to be killed under xbow xtreme. I agree the way to make up for that is when skin run out, turn on vital increase, switch to sword and shield to tank until the skin is back again. But what good will that do? It will just be along and tedious fight over and over again, hoping to get double crits from daredevil to finish a fight. What will you do against a warior/ cleric with back to back skin and bless spell that need only less than 30 secs to cool down?Fight for eternity or what?
The most important offensive skills for this build is the dagger tree, backed up by warrior 2hand skills. Combine daredevil, follow up by bash skill to knock down, change to dagger, DD, mortal wounds,and if needed, follow up by prick and butterfly depending on the situations. Main point is to keep stacking up massive damages one after another in such a short interval of time, which dagger attacks are perfect for
Intuitive set-ups for quick and versatile weapon switchs is also very important

dun mess with da pro warrior/rogue u shld really make a vid when u are pvping wif me and other ppl a few weeks ago @ 80cap, juz to prove to them

lol
i guess i wont understand what would make this build special unless i see a vid of it..
i still insist u can do the "KD + Mortal wounds" combo with Xbow while having bless on, while bless stays on switching.(hopefully u can prove me wrong with a video )

weymouthhall

[muyo]

huhu..so any opinion must have a video then

how is 2h damage compare to chinese weapon? same as bow or glaive?

its normal to be obsesse to ur current killer build but i think open discussion can lead to a good alternative.
(1:7 spear is quite famous last time but now i know what combo build that every one going:P my friend all started doing melee warlock now and soon the guild will full with .. )

[ahmedsabry]

ur opinion needs a vid if its unique..
everyone knows spear nukers suck at pvp for example.. u dont need a video for it

[nicolasvc2]

a very versatil build cuz u can be rogue for damage dealer or warrior 2 tank but IMO i dont c the advantage in pvp cuz u have no sub mastery that help u like a sub cleric sub warlock <.<

hmmmmmm...how about this for 90 cap?

90 warrior
60 cleric
30 rogue for the invis


does this sounds good?

No beacus ur bles wil be to low and why do u realy need stealth if u got skins dont worry about staying alive and onces in a while a litle bles




If u wanne get a Warrior/rogue u rogue would only be for range attacks and kill unique's and for solo grind but go Warrior/cleric its beter

[SkyCleaver]

hey weymouthhall what do u think about 2h/ax/dagger/xbow?(ur build but switch out 1h for ax)u already said that ax will be better against warlocks,but u need shield for china.well u could just turn on skin and use dagger/2h skills even with pots i doubt most chinese can last more than 45 secs.even if they do last they must be pure str=no dmg,plus u are pure str too so lots of phys def even without skin other pure str cant do anything
one more thing,with this build would u use light or heavy armor?most warriors use heavy but most rogues use light and in pvp u will use both warrior and rogue

[nicolasvc2]

hey weymouthhall what do u think about 2h/ax/dagger/xbow?(ur build but switch out 1h for ax)u already said that ax will be better against warlocks,but u need shield for china.well u could just turn on skin and use dagger/2h skills even with pots i doubt most chinese can last more than 45 secs.even if they do last they must be pure str=no dmg,plus u are pure str too so lots of phys def even without skin other pure str cant do anything
one more thing,with this build would u use light or heavy armor?most warriors use heavy but most rogues use light and in pvp u will use both warrior and rogue

i would use light armor for litle bit mag defense beacus others it wil be to low and a litle bit speed can be handy either but i would just change at later lvl in begin i would use heavy armor it is beter for grinding beacus 90 of mobs is phy damage but in pvp it is almost 50% mag 50% phy

[SkyCleaver]

so at later lvls heavy armor is good for grinding...
but pvp is more important to me than grinding...and ur right pvp is 50%phys 50%mag
so wouldnt light armor be better for pvp?

[weymouthhall]

so at later lvls heavy armor is good for grinding...
but pvp is more important to me than grinding...and ur right pvp is 50%phys 50%mag
so wouldnt light armor be better for pvp?

I personally use heavy armors myself since theres alot of pure str in my servers. As long as u get ur gears to +5 and full blues, light armor and heavy armor would pretty much fare out that same. My set is +5, +7 and max out str, parry ratio, hp at 80 cap, It fares out well against nukers as well.
About switching from 1hand to dual axe instead, I would prefer staying 1hander myself though. It has more defense, knockbak 80% probability, which is very useful when u are gangbanged, and party always look for super tanker, not halftanker, half damage dealer.
I agree dual axe is useful against warlock sub chars, but used and combined correctly 1h/2h/dagger and quick situation adaptions is actually the main strategy against warlock subs

[ahmedsabry]

VIDEO

[muyo]

alhtough i know 2h is good combine with 1h..ill still go dual axe+1h

cant resist even if i got the fact

ill go dual axe/rogue...ill practising stun+dd+prick now^^

PS: Ahmadsabry ur name just like our union mate name...are u turk? from redsea?

[weymouthhall]

alhtough i know 2h is good combine with 1h..ill still go dual axe+1h

cant resist even if i got the fact

ill go dual axe/rogue...ill practising stun+dd+prick now^^

PS: Ahmadsabry ur name just like our union mate name...are u turk? from redsea?

Good luck on stun+DD+ pricks
I tried that strategy as well, except 5 secs is still too short to hit your opponent with dagger, and they can still fight back when u are under DD. Too vulnerable IMO

[muyo]

yeah rite...i found stun time only up to when i finished performing DD

i suddenly fall in love with euro since the way it play is so tactical and team play:P

[pizzagirl2008]

Good luck on stun+DD+ pricks
I tried that strategy as well, except 5 secs is still too short to hit your opponent with dagger, and they can still fight back when u are under DD. Too vulnerable IMO

wouldn't ur strat for 2h kd -> DD -> mortal wounds be just as vulnerable?
i believe the kd period is around 5 secs also BUT if they get the 2h kd bug then they can attack back making u going to DD even more risky ...

[CLOT]

Good luck on stun+DD+ pricks
I tried that strategy as well, except 5 secs is still too short to hit your opponent with dagger, and they can still fight back when u are under DD. Too vulnerable IMO

wouldn't ur strat for 2h kd -> DD -> mortal wounds be just as vulnerable?
i believe the kd period is around 5 secs also BUT if they get the 2h kd bug then they can attack back making u going to DD even more risky ...

fr some 1 who has pvp wif weymouthhall:

when Kd, it takes longer than 5sec to attack bac, u cant attack immediately aft u get up but others can still hit u

and wat he does aft KD is
1. switch to dagger, DD
2. use the uber fast dagger moving skill(15 sec that 1)
3. do 1 mortal wound (usually the mortal wound will can be done completely when enemy still KD at the floor, to make use of the 50% dmg increase)
4. aft mortal wound fin enemy would hv gotten up, ---> prick

the only time u can survive, is spam ironwall/KD/stun right aft u get up and hope the prick is blocked/doesnt crit

but once again, even u KD him wif DD on, he can juz switch to shield when KD and DD is cancelled automatically

so the only chance left u can win is "stun him right aft u get up fr the KD (under stun he cant switch to shield and cancel DD, den do HIGHEST dmg skill and hope his vigor doesnt pot faster than dmg during the stun period)

otherwise its quite hard to kill when he switch bac to cleric/shield again


sry to reveal ya complete pvp process

[pizzagirl2008]

thx for that...
are you two able to do some quick pvp matches to demonstrate this say within the next 4 hours+?

that's when i can come online

[ahmedsabry]

PS: Ahmadsabry ur name just like our union mate name...are u turk? from redsea?

no im not turk, im not in redsea (i thought i had the word "SPARTA" written in my location), and i have my guild name name written in my signature actually.. so
thats just my RL name.. "ahmed sabry" (an arabic name, im from egypt)

oh, and for the stun+DD thingy.. why would u want to do that???!!!
u do all the "kd+mortal wounds" stuff to benefit from the 50% down atack damage. if ur gonna get the whole warrior tree to stun , then having a warlock sub would be MUCH MUCH better imho.

[ahmedsabry]

Good luck on stun+DD+ pricks
I tried that strategy as well, except 5 secs is still too short to hit your opponent with dagger, and they can still fight back when u are under DD. Too vulnerable IMO

wouldn't ur strat for 2h kd -> DD -> mortal wounds be just as vulnerable?
i believe the kd period is around 5 secs also BUT if they get the 2h kd bug then they can attack back making u going to DD even more risky ...

fr some 1 who has pvp wif weymouthhall:

when Kd, it takes longer than 5sec to attack bac, u cant attack immediately aft u get up but others can still hit u

and wat he does aft KD is
1. switch to dagger, DD
2. use the uber fast dagger moving skill(15 sec that 1)
3. do 1 mortal wound (usually the mortal wound will can be done completely when enemy still KD at the floor, to make use of the 50% dmg increase)
4. aft mortal wound fin enemy would hv gotten up, ---> prick

the only time u can survive, is spam ironwall/KD/stun right aft u get up and hope the prick is blocked/doesnt crit

but once again, even u KD him wif DD on, he can juz switch to shield when KD and DD is cancelled automatically

so the only chance left u can win is "stun him right aft u get up fr the KD (under stun he cant switch to shield and cancel DD, den do HIGHEST dmg skill and hope his vigor doesnt pot faster than dmg during the stun period)

otherwise its quite hard to kill when he switch bac to cleric/shield again


sry to reveal ya complete pvp process

he already explained that right?!
anyway.. u dont have to get KD to start thinking of a strategy to win. if ur gonna win against a warrior/rogue u'll have to stay on ur feet. how? WARLOCK/anything... he'll be stunned/fast asleep b4 he even swings his sword to attempt for a kd, and "shadow armor" will probably return some huge damage to the rogue if he attcks.(thats one of da reasons why i prefer rogue/cleric, "holy spell")
also another nice tactic would be using UR OWN KDs!
Xbow's "hurricane shot" + DD + MW, has a higher chance to kd, and is pretty safe with Bless on, and is actually faster too.. those 2H skills are VERY strong but they are pretty slow.

P.S: i dont think he uses the (uber fast dagger moving skill) in pvp cuz it only increases ur moving speed. it doesnt have anything to do with ur attack speed or hit rate or anything. (its called Scud btw)

[CLOT]

plz dun post "i think", "i dun think"

i pvp with him and alot other rogue/cleric b4 and they all use "scud" when KD enemy cuz the KD time is precious to do mortal wound and make use of the 50% extra dmg

anywayz, i'm not into that build, juz giving my own account of pvp story cuz i did hv great pvp with them b4

and vid will not b there until all 9D last set full blue full pimped full farmed

[ahmedsabry]

plz dun post "i think", "i dun think"

i pvp with him and alot other rogue/cleric b4 and they all use "scud" when KD enemy cuz the KD time is precious to do mortal wound and make use of the 50% extra dmg

2H skillz are not ranged skills u know.. u'll be sticking to the opponent anyway, so u wont be doing any "running".. scud useless

and vid will not b there until all 9D last set full blue full pimped full farmed

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[muyo]

cant wait for the video but on my server there is already 1 with this build i saw pvp last night.

Using 2h to kd, and wound+prick nice but 2h axe stun time arent enough...ill prefer dual axe better so i think ill get cleric or warlock. but farming will be hard without range.

i even saw high level cleric sub warrior i love creativity

[PainterOfSound]

Not to sound like an idiot, but wouldn't a war/rogue in heavy armor be REALLY bad against a nuke or a simple KB + Fire trap, lure him into the trap (tele away so he has to run through it) and then Fire Blow him to death?