Sun Blader VS Sun 2 Handed

[RogueKiller]

LOL, so you think 2H cant KD too?

If the 2h is busy kd then he cant kill the blader.
The 2h needs to spend his time doing the strongest hits and hoping to crit. The kd attacks dont do much dmg even with crit.
This pvp thread is completely pointless.
Its all the player behind the character.
Everyone is going to have an opinion and they will both be right in different cases.

[NobleHunter]

Lulz, someone asked our opinion about wich build would win in a pvp, dont you think its interesting read about the others points of view?
And of course, you are right about PvP is decided by the guys behind the keyboard.

[gumahbear]

2h p00ns the blader i dont fcking care if u blader wussys out there say constant kd will own the 2h well wake the fck up even the best blader cant kd every single fcking time 2h wins end of story i have lvl 80 2h no one has killed me in pvp job war or fortress war or even in guild wars even with my buffs not even a lvl 83 sun blader could kill me with the new blade and i dont have any new armor i used my same lvl 80 set and p00n the sht out of him and anyone so i laugh at all who say blader owns cuz it dont!

[raphaell666]

LOL, so you think 2H cant KD too?

If the 2h is busy kd then he cant kill the blader.
The 2h needs to spend his time doing the strongest hits and hoping to crit. The kd attacks dont do much dmg even with crit.
This pvp thread is completely pointless.
Its all the player behind the character.
Everyone is going to have an opinion and they will both be right in different cases.

+1 Everyone could/would use a diferent strategy. Agree, thread pointless and its all about the player.

[FireVortex]

LOL, so you think 2H cant KD too?

If the 2h is busy kd then he cant kill the blader.
The 2h needs to spend his time doing the strongest hits and hoping to crit. The kd attacks dont do much dmg even with crit.
This pvp thread is completely pointless.
Its all the player behind the character.
Everyone is going to have an opinion and they will both be right in different cases.

If the blader is stunned and gets kd then the triple swing will get xtra dmg from stun+kd.Thats alot of dmg.

P.S. My friend is a lvl 60+ wiz and 1 shot someone his lvl.

[Timmeh]

Sun two handed, too much damage, too quickly.

[Qosta420]

2H sword no question. Because euro builds are inherantly stronger and cheaper, even 1h sunner vs sun blader and the chinese build has no chance. euroes always win.

[_Scarlett_]

Lol Euros don't always win. I'll say this once, any build can beat any other build, you can't just use the 123, 123, rinse repeat method expecting to just win. Sometimes you gotta be smart and use certain skills during certain times.

Euro's are stronger than chinese, yeah we know, but that doesn't mean they win 100% of the time.

[Blinxx]

I'd have to say it depends, as stated already it's about the person behind it.
Depending on the build as well, because bladers main objectives are to tank.
I guess given the sun gears, I'd have to say bladers would have a CHANCE( giving it a high critical let's say).
Tactical plays, and constant KD would end up just giving more crits for the euro to worry about.
Then again if taken advantage of the stun AND kd/kb of the 2h, I'm sure it shouldn't be long enough for him to take him out ( depending on the bladers build ).

now that's just my opinion having a blader AND a 2h myself, though i know most have their own ^^.
just giving my own opinion

[hemagoku]

ok ,i am wiz , i 1 hit anything almost like 5lvls above me (short of sp so don't have all skills) the only thing i find it hard to kill ,is a warrior with sub cleric ,other than that u r all dead ,except if u get lucky with a block ,then only ur friends next to u will die so warrior sub cleric is the way better than blader

[srf_frs]

2h probably

[int100kbr]

surely the 2h if he is a cleric then he has iron/mana skin and Bless if he want he will own the blader in no time i've seen normal 2h kill sun bladers b4 just search it in youtube

[Blinxx]

you can't always rely on youtube ">>
every spell has a time limit, think of how to get around it.
not an easy task for a blader, but still think about it.

[jleyens]

LOL everyone speaks of euros being overpowered...

ask your self why nubs.

If they are only as powerfull and defencive as chinese then wouldnt it be unfair taking auto pot away from them and ability to run with 60% increase speed whenever they want??? unless bard obv

yes it would

Fact is euros can pawn only if they sneak up on you or maybe just kill the first guy with ease. But then what? in guild wars, jobbing and other things apart from 1v1 pvp...

They are screwed. rogues go invisible untill they attack. quick kill then oh SH>IT theres 4 more guys that can now see me... RUN oh no i cant i didnt choose BARD.
lol

no auto pot is a big cripple when your on the open road jobbing and many other things.
And if your not a bard. Speed is an issue. running from chinese is impossible.

so i dont mind if euro are bit overpowered. Just means a fast first kill.

Euro are made for partying.

This way everything i said becomes nonsence. however i find at lvl 40+ people tend to prefer going solo on most things.

If euros dont have a great guild and a diverse one with many char types then they are doomed

[KsqueaKJ]

LOL everyone speaks of euros being overpowered...

ask your self why nubs.

If they are only as powerfull and defencive as chinese then wouldnt it be unfair taking auto pot away from them and ability to run with 60% increase speed whenever they want??? unless bard obv

yes it would

Fact is euros can pawn only if they sneak up on you or maybe just kill the first guy with ease. But then what? in guild wars, jobbing and other things apart from 1v1 pvp...

They are screwed. rogues go invisible untill they attack. quick kill then oh SH>IT theres 4 more guys that can now see me... RUN oh no i cant i didnt choose BARD.
lol

no auto pot is a big cripple when your on the open road jobbing and many other things.
And if your not a bard. Speed is an issue. running from chinese is impossible.

so i dont mind if euro are bit overpowered. Just means a fast first kill.

Euro are made for partying.

This way everything i said becomes nonsence. however i find at lvl 40+ people tend to prefer going solo on most things.

If euros dont have a great guild and a diverse one with many char types then they are doomed

i agree with everything you just said till i remembered something.

as you said euros are made for partying which is true but when they are in a party they get even stronger and get way more defense but there are flaws in that of course cuz they game has to be even.

but as it blader vs wizard... if the wizard has his buff on ya he can 1 hit kill ppl but his life is cut in half..so 1 hit kill easy. and ya if the person ur attacking first without them knowing it has shit for armor then ya your going to 1hit him.

and blader vs 2h....id say like everyone said depends on whos playing.


im a blader. and ive killed everybuild and everybuild as killed me.

[Blinxx]

no auto pot is a big cripple when your on the open road jobbing and many other things.
And if your not a bard. Speed is an issue. running from chinese is impossible.

so i dont mind if euro are bit overpowered. Just means a fast first kill.

Euro are made for partying.

nicely said and it's very much true, each race has their advantages and disadvantages. Maybe most would complain because if their gears because i mean I've seen a full INT SPEAR ( yes you got that right)tank the hell out of a 2h/cleric and lived to own another one lol.

im a blader. and ive killed everybuild and everybuild as killed me.

some are just afraid to accept their disadvantages, so they say they own all. respect that honesty +1

[^owned^]

Not at all. Wizards are easily the easiest kill in sro. Without their euro party a wizard is the most pathetic thing. Since they can't one hit people their lvl and chinese their lvl can it doesnt work out. A wizard does about 15k dmg a hit while a blader does about 2-3k. 2-3k coming at a fast rate with kds and the wiz is dead.

hmm.. i fail 2 c ur point, so ur saying wizards do a lot more damage and still lose id say ur an idiot but maybe u havent playd with an wizard. Even is wizards get 1 hitted ull be dead before u notice theres a wiz popping up out of nowhere with a massive fire spell.

OT: Sun 2H with cleric and warrior buffs

[RogueKiller]

^ A wizard does not 1 hit any pure str characters.
They do about 75-90% dmg.
So they go invis...pop out attack does (lets say maximum)90% of the chinese characters maximum hp. Then what? The wiz attacks arent exactly the fastest loads. I've faced wizards that use this invis technique and at times it works out. For example if they lead with the lightning kb they win. But at most times I've faced wizards they do not lead with that. They lead with Earth or Fire attack. They are 1 hit to me if not close. The only time I've seen them successfully 1 vs 1 me is when they use their cleric subclass buffs such as bless spell. TBH I find wizzes much more dangerous in 1 vs 1 situations when they refrain from using life control and such.

[nicolasvc2]

I am like 90% sure 2handed sun wil win the already win when they dont got sun
c this vid at sec 42
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=CWNjARdcn50

[UniqueSpawn]

ill go with 2h..maddening skill(or a higher skill related to maddening)+crit+berk, DONE FOR THE BLADER if he doesnt block it

[F-22]

you guys are forgetting that bladers can use iron wall, and if hte bladers use ice imbue than the 2h euro is no good if he is not immune to ice. I think its up to the player skils to determine the out come of this pvp.

[NobleHunter]

and if hte bladers use ice imbue than the 2h euro is no good if he is not immune to ice

Holy word, lol

[Libertarian]

I'll just repost what I said in another thread:

I ain't got no screenies, but CTF has reinforced my belief that the ice blader is a great tank. I tanked a Euro 2H warrior and a Chinese archer at the same time without really being in fear of dying, until a rogue decided to join the festivities. The same thing happened with the 2H and a 1H. Lets just say that 30% Snow Shield helps a LOT.

EDIT: And except for my shield, which is lvl 42+3, I'm pretty much wearing NPC gear. My accessories are WAY too low for my lvl, and my trousers are lvl 28 SoS (I'm 46). So it's not that I have awesome Seal of Sun gear... >_>

That was with only 30% Snow Shield. Imagine when it's 40%, or 50%. It might be hard for me to kill, but I'll be even harder to kill.

[RogueKiller]

I'll just repost what I said in another thread:

I ain't got no screenies, but CTF has reinforced my belief that the ice blader is a great tank. I tanked a Euro 2H warrior and a Chinese archer at the same time without really being in fear of dying, until a rogue decided to join the festivities. The same thing happened with the 2H and a 1H. Lets just say that 30% Snow Shield helps a LOT.

EDIT: And except for my shield, which is lvl 42+3, I'm pretty much wearing NPC gear. My accessories are WAY too low for my lvl, and my trousers are lvl 28 SoS (I'm 46). So it's not that I have awesome Seal of Sun gear... >_>

That was with only 30% Snow Shield. Imagine when it's 40%, or 50%. It might be hard for me to kill, but I'll be even harder to kill.

Heres the flaw with high snow shield and pure str. You can't keep it up. Are you pure str blader or Int hybrid blader? Surprising you can keep a 30% snow shield up as a pure str. 30% snow shield is almost always an mp killer. The mp output is too much making you only be able to tank but not attack back due to insufficient mp. 40-50% snow shield there is a 0% chance of holding up a snow shield if you are pure str.
A pure str at most should keep snow shield at 23% but if your going for ice, bring up the cold defense buff and the passive.

[Libertarian]

Heres the flaw with high snow shield and pure str. You can't keep it up. Are you pure str blader or Int hybrid blader? Surprising you can keep a 30% snow shield up as a pure str. 30% snow shield is almost always an mp killer. The mp output is too much making you only be able to tank but not attack back due to insufficient mp. 40-50% snow shield there is a 0% chance of holding up a snow shield if you are pure str.
A pure str at most should keep snow shield at 23% but if your going for ice, bring up the cold defense buff and the passive.

I'm pure STR, but Force is my second mastery, and the Force passive gives me a lot of extra MP. And since I'm Chinese, I can just set my MP autopot higher.

EDIT: I might go slightly hybrid at the end if I need to, I don't know yet. Since I don't do a whole lot of damage anyway, I might as well put a few points into INT for extra MP. We'll see when I get to lvl 80.

[MrFudge]

the only way the blader would even have a chance is if he had 90 ice.

a crit 12-14 two handed is all you need, and crit 12 turns into crit 21 with lvl 9 two handed passive. Crit 12 is also only 76%, not too hard to get.

crit 21+ crits a lot, just look at rogue pricks. A twin daredevil crit can even bring down a sun blader, its that overpowered.

easy to immobilize the blader anyway, sprint assault has a high stun rate (almost 40%)and knockback probability.
daredevil also has double knock back, and bash has single knockback.

the blader cant kill the 2hand/cleric. bless, then skins, then to tank cleric rod and shield for 400 phys defense and 600 magical defense added. You can tank a sun glaiver with that overpowered cleric buffs the cleric line gives you. You can even immobilize the blader with heaven glare if you want, theyre just sitting ducks. You can walk around for 30 seconds if you also wanna piss him off. The list goes on.

whats swifter pvp or progressive, they seemed nearly unbeatable at 80 cap.
bladers zerked swifter for 3k crits, summit&depth buff would raise to what..4-5k? in zerk thats a joke.

GG joymax, euro warrior/clerics killed the game. It's only the stupid people behind those builds that make it even fair.

[TOloseGT]

doesn't firewall null stun/kb? since 2h has no way of getting rid of blader's firewall, he won't be able to get stun/kb in.

[ahmedsabry]

LOL, so you think 2H cant KD too?

If the 2h is busy kd then he cant kill the blader.
The 2h needs to spend his time doing the strongest hits and hoping to crit. The kd attacks dont do much dmg even with crit.
This pvp thread is completely pointless.
Its all the player behind the character.
Everyone is going to have an opinion and they will both be right in different cases.

If the blader is stunned and gets kd then the triple swing will get xtra dmg from stun+kd.Thats alot of dmg.

P.S. My friend is a lvl 60+ wiz and 1 shot someone his lvl.

WRONG: triple swing does not have a down attack dmg increase

[Sky]

Ye, I agree with what other ppl said. 2h with buffs on, blader will do like what 500 dmg^^. Plus they deal massive crt. So its already decided.

RogueKiller check ur inbox plz.

[ahmedsabry]

LOL everyone speaks of euros being overpowered...

ask your self why nubs.

If they are only as powerfull and defencive as chinese then wouldnt it be unfair taking auto pot away from them and ability to run with 60% increase speed whenever they want??? unless bard obv

ANYTHING/Cleric doesnt have a pot delay.. infact, with the new "holy recovery division" u might even heal BETTER than the potting chinese..

Fact is euros can pawn only if they sneak up on you or maybe just kill the first guy with ease. But then what? in guild wars, jobbing and other things apart from 1v1 pvp...

They are screwed. rogues go invisible untill they attack. quick kill then oh SH>IT theres 4 more guys that can now see me... RUN oh no i cant i didnt choose BARD.
lol

am really getting tired of saying this.. ever heard of SPEED DRUGS??!
u are also expressing severe ignorance about the european race in general, and the rogue potential in specific.
1-some euro builds dont require to sneak up, and are not only strong in the first kill (eg: warrior/cleric, warrior/warlock, warlock/cleric)
2-being a rogue u can kill up to 3 after u appear from stealth if u know what ur doing, not just kill 1. moreover u dont have to hit and run.. its just the easy unskilled way of being a rogue (although it is wise to do so when ur attacking a group that outnumbers you) because:
a)rogue/cleric: kill 2-3 when ur out of stealth, switch to cleric rod, cast Bless.. Gratz, ur invincible. u can now attack without DD on and rely on crits, which is still effective (Daggers have crits up to 25)
b)rogue/warlock: kill 2-3, switch to warlock rod.. let the party begin. stunn/sleep/debuff and show them what ur made of when u take another 2-3 down with u.
c)rogue/warrior: switch to 1H, cast iron skin or vital increase or both and ur a tanking machine.
b)even the pathetic rogue/wizard is better than having a bard sub.. at least u get fear/kb/earth fence.

Euro are made for partying.

This way everything i said becomes nonsence. however i find at lvl 40+ people tend to prefer going solo on most things.

If euros dont have a great guild and a diverse one with many char types then they are doomed

not accurate either.. some builds such as rogue/cleric are made for absolute solo measures. u wont even be needing a party when u cant hunt mobs 6-8 lvls above u (sparing giants/parties), and do well in pvp as u can switch between the offensive form with DD/XE on, and the defensive one with having those skills off, while RD solves ur pot delay issue.