PvP STR Blade Cold or Fire?

[phrostbyte]

What would be more powerful for a PvP Pure STR Blade user?

Full cold or Fire?

[PB_and_J]

Cold, PVP, cold wins hands down.

[phrostbyte]

That's what I thought

Fire and Cold would also be good but putting all into cold looks awesome.

[Fly]

lol. iv had 2 str chars so far. biggie and fly. both blade/fire and iv never been killed by an ice dude on eather chars. one is 56 one is 57.

so pls, before ppl jump to conclusions about cold being good, read more into builds.

cold is NOTHING like what ppl make it out to be. cold can be cured by a pill. a fire guy can use "fire shild" skill to make freeze have no effect.

fire on the other hand puts in extra damage. i hit 450ish on a ishade without fire imbune. with imbune i hit 510ish. the fire clearly helps alot for leveling.

now if anyone wants to prove me wrong, u know where to find me. patroling the roads between don and jangan looking for spawners and thives trying to unfairly rob noobs. i will be waiting for u and ur cold. (i always have 200+ pills on me )

[phrostbyte]

Happy for you. But you won't afford clicking on your little Cure by the time you'll die by the dmg done from cold. Because beleive it or not, cold does actually do damage. Plus, with all my farmed SP, I think I can afford spending some in "Fire Shield" too.

[Monition]

how much farmed sp do you have?

[Fly]

you really think puting cold will really help u?

i wont argue with you. ill just give u the facts. in sro there ARE a few BEST builds. people lie to themselves when they say there is no such thing.

1. Pure Int Nuker with both lighting and fire nuke and fire imbune.
2. Pure str blader with fire and blade maxed and some lighting for run.
3. Pure str Glaive with fire and glaive maxed and some lighting for run.
4. Pure str Bow with fire and bow maxed and some lighting for run.

any other build is a joke. no offence but lets took at korean sro. nukers and glaivers own. bladers and archers are the leaders of any war or trade run.

- where is cold? LOL. in jangan killing tigers, thats where.
- why no str lighting users? u gotta be kidding. thats dumb.
- why no rezers? because there is one or 2 resers among the tons of good players. people rely on them instead of sacrificing there own build.
- why no hybrid? if by hybrid u mean a few points u misput when ur a noob, thats fine, but anything that lowers ur attack % lower then 95 eaither way is stupid. pots and pills are there for a reason. use them.

conclusion: dont look to reinvent the wheel. its already there. take what the koreans have tried, learned, and mastered and run with it.

so now that u know the facts, enjoy urself. as soon as u realize that im right, u can reroll, and id be happy to let u pm me for help while im leveling up to 80 on my GOOD BUILD.


ps: sorry for sounding evil and narrow minded. but when a person is right, he is right. no one can deny that.

[Fly]

oh and btw, i dont "clicking on your little Cure"

there are pots in sro for a reason. learn to use them.

[PB_and_J]

wow, guese I was wrong, good info btw.

(And it seems I made a horrible char, strght and lighting )

[woutR]

biggie my friend , ur fire extra dmg is also cured by a pill

[Fly]

um no?

fire damage is cured by a pot. its DAMAGE!

the fire status is not why people get fire.

[Shujaa]

Main advantage of cold is the slowing/freezing status effects. Fire has a status effect, but it's not as good, and the imbue has a greater damage boost to your weapon than cold imbue does.

[Fly]

so what ur saying is that ud rather slow the enemy down instead of killing them?

w00t for logic.


ps: i u guys for trying to argue with the facts.

[woutR]

so what ur saying is that ud rather slow the enemy down instead of killing them?

w00t for logic.


ps: i u guys for trying to argue with the facts.

I am not argueing with the fact that fire does more damage , it does more damage than any other force. BUT with ice you slow a fire down , so fire dps will be less than w/o the freeze , if the freeze dmg is aprox 10 % lower it can make up by freezing your ass. So if I freeze you I can attack 50 % faster but deal 10 % less damage . now your fire shield status reduce skill will cut of duration of the freeze , but it wont disable it completely and since a good pvper will keep his imbue always up you will always be slow thus will the freezer do more damage than you.
Now as for pills , if you want a totally fair fight you use no pills and no pots so if if u have same hp and mp freeze will win that fight but since you do use pills you will win due to higher damage.
Anyways I can be totally wrong cause I don't know how great the difference will be at your lvl between the damage in fire and ice . I have lvl 19 ice and 19 fire , fire does around 10 - 15 % more damage

[Saven]

Now as for pills , if you want a totally fair fight you use no pills and no pots so if if u have same hp and mp freeze will win that fight but since you do use pills you will win due to higher damage.

See, this is where I'll disagree with you. Saying that it's only a fair fight if you don't use pills or pots isn't true. Everybody has access to these items, so it's in no way "cheating" so much as something you take into account when you're making your build. A Fire/Blade build is going to be using pills to counter ice users so they can close and take advantage of their higher hitting power rather than becoming a sitting duck.

Yes, you might hit a few PVP tilts where you catch somebody with their pants down (not having any pills on them), but I think you'll have to assume going into any PVP situation that your opponent will have the ability to pill out of a freeze. Something you'll have to consider with your build and take into account as you progress.

[Bakemaster]

If I use pills and pots routinely when fighting mobs, I'm sure as hell going to use them when fighting an enemy job. I might agree to fight without them if I'm caping for fun, but they are nowhere near as big an advantage as they were in, say, Diablo.

[SuicideGrl]

Biggie:

i agree with you on everything you've said. one thing that hasn't been mentioned though, that i feel should be mentioned, is that getting frozen cancels any attacks you've chained. this can help you get a few more good hits in without getting whacked while the opponent is rechaining. doesn't change much, but it's something to watch out for on BOTH sides of the ice.

[Shujaa]

so what ur saying is that ud rather slow the enemy down instead of killing them?

Where did I say that?

[[BBF]Foss]

FIRE+GLAIVE FTW!!

....Ill shut up now....

[phrostbyte]

I'm still thinking about it since I havn't done farming.

And Monition, I'm almost up to 6k and heading for 10k+.

But from what the poll tells me, ice seems more efficient.

[Ryoko]

Ya I hate ice users because it cancels ALL my bow power up moves. It makes ice look really promising.

Especially spirit bow. It takes so long, it almost ALWAYS gets canceled to ice. Its very, very hard to beat those people. Even with the large pills in combination with pots, they just freeze me again.

I love being an archer, but we sure get the bad end of the stick somtimes.

Spirit bow is much like nuke, only its physical. Yet an INT can nuke on the spot, and we have to wait, count, hope and pray we don't die before it fires.

Being an archer has advantages for Jobs - the distance and damage. Most people don't even see you until they eat the spirit bow.

But standing toe-to-toe with a glavie, I will always lose.

so now that u know the facts, enjoy urself. as soon as u realize that im right, u can reroll, and id be happy to let u pm me for help while im leveling up to 80 on my GOOD BUILD.

Easy tiger.

Although this thread is titled PVP, also gotta remember there are a lot of softies (some in my guild) who only play for enjoyment, like an RPG, and wouldn't touch PVP with a 10 foot pole. Even if some builds are the best, they enjoy learning all kinds of crazy skills and building their own. Its good practice to consider each persons case individually sometimes.

.....I 'dream2own' and I am listening tho

Now I will say...
Physical damage does the least....ice does the least...

Pure STR plus ICE is sometimes like cutting down a tree with a baseball bat.

[RaiKiRii]

i think for FULL INT with SPEAR the nuker should be light\fire

this would allow you to do the most dmg, since you don't attack as often

however for a FULL INT with SWORD+SHILED the nuker should be light\ice,

just because even being frostbitten for a second is enough to put in a few more hits.

(i'm assuming that after you nuke you charge in to slice n dice)

[Spurs]

the onli thing here i cant agree with is the pot/pill using
not everyone has the same advantages when people use pots
for example full int vs full str pvp people start at a distance and nukers usually get the first hit
if the pure str pots/pills and gets close to the int its over no matter how much the pure int pots cause 1 crit might even kill a full life int

[Fly]

however for a FULL INT with SWORD+SHILED the nuker should be light\ice,

just because even being frostbitten for a second is enough to put in a few more hits.

(i'm assuming that after you nuke you charge in to slice n dice)

um... no?

with a spear u are going to be useing 2 nukes. means u light nuke, fire nuke, and expect the enemy to be dead by then.

if u go sword, its the same deal, just slightly less damage. why would someone nuke, then attack with the sword if they will suck compared to 2 nukes?

thats like shooting a guy in rl, then droping ur gun and charging him with a boy scouts knife.... it makes no sence

Ya I hate ice users because it cancels ALL my bow power up moves. It makes ice look really promising.

cdering that ice builds are slow levelers, why would u care if it cancles ur skills? the ice person would be so low level u could kill him without skills. =\

[banzaimonkey]

cdering that ice builds are slow levelers, why would u care if it cancles ur skills? the ice person would be so low level u could kill him without skills. =\

Heh. Your illogical arguments are amusing.

Someone's rate of leveling has nothing to do with the potency of their build. Also, unless they're starting on a new server, there're going to be higher level players regardless of whether you use fire or cold or anything else.

[phrostbyte]

Pure STR plus ICE is sometimes like cutting down a tree with a baseball bat.

What exactly do you mean by that?

[phrostbyte]

cdering that ice builds are slow levelers, why would u care if it cancles ur skills? the ice person would be so low level u could kill him without skills. =\

Read the topic before posting please.
Let's just say we were the same level. You'd simply get frostbytes all the time, you can pot as much as you want but you'll still get frozen on the next hit... And that's only a question of a second. I find it sad though that your build depends on Cure Pills.

[Fly]

Heh. Your illogical arguments are amusing.

Someone's rate of leveling has nothing to do with the potency of their build. Also, unless they're starting on a new server, there're going to be higher level players regardless of whether you use fire or cold or anything else.

everyone knows that killing a mob at a faster rate makes u level faster. if u dont know that, pls go play a game that does not involve thinking. everyone knows an int player levels faster. everyone knows there are level caps. everyone knows that with a good build u can catch up to the high levels in no time. killing 20% faster with fire will clearly level you 20% faster then the noobs with ice.

do u know that? if not, dont question my logic without developing ur own.

Let's just say we were the same level. You'd simply get frostbytes all the time, you can pot as much as you want but you'll still get frozen on the next hit

lets see.... 13% freeze reduce on both rings, neckless, and earings. that is 52% reduce right there. add in 37% reduce from my fire shild, and your ice is nothing but a toy for you to play with.

oh wait, did u forget the freezing probibility is LOW on the ice imbune?

gee wiz, look at that. i have players arguing that ice is good, even tho the game lacks any solid ice players over level 45. whats this i hear? in korea there is basicly NO ice players over level 60? hmmm, intresting, pls do tell me more....

really, if any of u want to go ice, go ahead. i dont like having alot of high levels to compeat with anyways. hell, killing ghost bugs might be your idea of a fun time. if so, keep on trucking.


ps: when a level 57 guys tells u what a good build is, and he owns more then 5 accounts with good builds, id listen to him if my level was only 20ish.

Easy tiger

baby, im get getting started. somtimes tough love is what helps motivate people the most. no offence but i want you guys on the right track, leveling the right way, useing a build that wont suck, and i want you guys to be able to compeat with the best.

being a hardcore gamer is not about having no life and playing all day long, its about knowing the right way to play with the time you have. i can put in 4 hours a day and still outlevel noobs who put in 12 hours a day.

maybe in a day or 2, ill write up my advanced grinding guide. that will help alot of the people who have problems with grinding. i gave some tips to some of the forums members here over pm and they are having great sucess. might as well share it with the whole forum.

[Ryoko]

Whats really needed is some basic builds.

This of course, could include PVP builds, non PVP builds, different combinations, builds for each weapon.

I wouldnt want any force or weapon to be exluded; not everyone has an opt for a re-roll (like myself, Mr Busy) and some people are happy with what they picked too.

My roomie is an ice blader. Again, it takes 20 hits to kill something, but he enjoys playing a lot, and I help em out.

It really comes down to this:

Are you playing to win, or are you playing for fun

There are both kinds. Like I said - I myself 'dream2own'. (die die die! everyone die! die timeeee)

[woutR]

I'm sorry , your logic is I'm lvl 57 I CLAIM to have good builds so listen to me biatches.

anyways I have calculated it and yups biggie does have a point: if you have those 1337 stats biggie has ( amazing reduce on rings etc ) + the fire shield reduce you WONT get frostbite , not even on every new hit. Now if you DON'T have these rings , or if you DON'T have a shield you WILL get frozen.
A glavie or bow user will get frozen . biggie doesn't understand that people also play those types so he goes OMFG J3SUZZ F1RE IS T3H B3ST !!!111
Biggie , there are other types of players who will get frozen . A blade / sword player just wont get frozen. Atleast if you have amazing reduce , that is.