What Joymax is doing is ILLEGAL.

[NuclearSilo]

lol
USA doesnt own the entire planet

Its only a matter of time...

Oh yeah? But there will be a lot of losts and destruction. Beside, in this century, assassination is too simple, like killing someone from a tower 2km far away with a rifle, suicide squads... The first target will be the president's wife and children
Not counting russian can kill anything with a simple click button "nuclear launcher"...

[Grimm-.-]

lol
USA doesnt own the entire planet

Its only a matter of time...

Oh yeah? But there will be a lot of losts and destruction. Beside, in this century, assassination is too simple, like killing someone from a tower 2km far away with a rifle, suicide squads... The first target will be the president's wife and children
Not counting russian can kill anything with a simple click button "nuclear launcher"...

{"~_~"}

[NuclearSilo]

I think i heard that the bomb droppped in Hiroshima is just a simple nuclear bomb? The most destruction bomb till now is Hydrogen bomb which is 100 times more violent. And it's not tested in war yet...

[Entangle]

I have to refer to runescape here.
Membership is paying for the game to make your experience in the game better.
Silkroad paying is to make your in game experience better.

TADA!

[JustaDude]

lol
USA doesnt own the entire planet

Its only a matter of time...

[Kiddeh]

wow off topic thread much? haha

off topic: US will never own the world sorry to tell u girls and boys...

on topic: go ahead sue them... call ur lawyer right now and enjoy the sound of his laughter.... wat a jackass

p.s if anyway says why u bein so harsh and stuff... ur a tit... cause this is the stupidest post known to man... if ur that pissed off quit.. u would want to be a 15 year old to think maybe i will sue them.... typical US retardedness....

p.p.s no offense to all US and 15 year olds... some cool but alot of douche's

p.p.p.s why does no one on SRF have there age allowed to be viewed...?

p.p.p.p.s if anyone says p.p.s doesent make sense u are also a fool... post-post-scriptum.... makes sense!

p.p.p.p.p.s I LOVE U ALL

[Nitesh]

lol
USA doesnt own the entire planet

The Illuminati do ^^ Lol

You should do some research before you decide to make false accusations ^^ (Just a tip of adivce) Lol.

[Barotix]

Joymax hasn't broken any laws yet. If they do break a law then the full force of the California Legislature will come down hard (if necessary), but that is highly unlikely. Since they have a base in the United States they have to abide by American Laws, so the "they're in Korea" doesn't apply here. What does apply, though, is that their ToS has been broken. Funny thing, The one thing Joymax did well was writing that ToS. They wrote in such a way, that 1]The Common Man won't understand it, 2]They're (Joymax) is completely protected, and 3]They can break as many rules as they want (in their ToS) without being reprimanded by the law. Most Agreements have a "If any part of this (insert name) is broken, the agreement between both parties becomes void." In this case the community and Joymax, surprise, surprise: Joymax doesn't have this clause, and therefore their ToS is still intact. (Despite the minor infraction, that (in normal situations) would've rendered the ToS null&void.) *Sigh, a man can dream. Anyhoo, Joymax hasn't broken any rules.

@Grimm, if the US tries to control the world, it (the action of ruling) would lead to it's (the USA's) downfall.

[Kiddeh]

the illuminati... wow ur a bigger idiot than the guys who talk about the usa ruling the world... lol see my last msg im not bein harsh ^^

[Inuyasha584]

go research korean laws instead

[theblindarcher]

Its FREE to play
But paying for silk items is optional you dont have to buy the silk items its your call...

[DarkJackal]

lol
USA doesnt own the entire planet

Its only a matter of time...

Oh yeah? But there will be a lot of losts and destruction. Beside, in this century, assassination is too simple, like killing someone from a tower 2km far away with a rifle, suicide squads... The first target will be the president's wife and children
Not counting russian can kill anything with a simple click button "nuclear launcher"...

If they wanna die too >.>.

[_Shinigami_]

lol
good work
::sarcasm::: You figured joymax's true intention ::sarcasm

[Snoopy]

#1, the game IS free. The purchasing of Silk IS optional!

False advertising would be, 'Come play our free game' - You go to play the 'free' game, then when you actually go to load the game up, it says you need to put your credit card info in and pay a fee of $20. That would be false advertising / false luring.

[Grimm-.-]

wow off topic thread much? haha

off topic: US will never own the world sorry to tell u girls and boys...

on topic: go ahead sue them... call ur lawyer right now and enjoy the sound of his laughter.... wat a jackass

p.s if anyway says why u bein so harsh and stuff... ur a tit... cause this is the stupidest post known to man... if ur that pissed off quit.. u would want to be a 15 year old to think maybe i will sue them.... typical US retardedness....

p.p.s no offense to all US and 15 year olds... some cool but alot of douche's

p.p.p.s why does no one on SRF have there age allowed to be viewed...?

p.p.p.p.s if anyone says p.p.s doesent make sense u are also a fool... post-post-scriptum.... makes sense!

p.p.p.p.p.s I LOVE U ALL

I LUV U 2 MEN!!!

[William-CL]

Wheres a Facepalm Picture when you want one.

1. It is a free to play game. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!
2. U.S Laws do Not apply To Korea
3. WE ARE NOT JOYMAX NOR ARE WE RELATED TO THEM

lol Kinda Screws the whole thread up. But totally agree that we can't hope to do anything unless they change to p2p, even then it will be almost pointless... Want to pay for a game, again I'll say GW or WOW

[brentonsbbe359]

In the United States there is a law that prohibits companies from using a Bait and Switch tactic to hook in customers, providing them with the false idea that they will get a good deal on an item that is no longer in stock.

this game is from koria.

[wootpops]

In the United States there is a law that prohibits companies from using a Bait and Switch tactic to hook in customers, providing them with the false idea that they will get a good deal on an item that is no longer in stock.

this game is from koria.

your so dumb

barotix provided a post up above making your argument invalid. read the thread before posting.

[Shynygamie]

It is a free game.

Do you have to pay to play? No.
Will the game be better if you do? Yes

[Blindfire]

Wheres a Facepalm Picture when you want one.

1. It is a free to play game. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!
2. U.S Laws do Not apply To Korea
3. WE ARE NOT JOYMAX NOR ARE WE RELATED TO THEM

This one?

Spoiler!

[LeMasters]

In the United States there is a law that prohibits companies from using a Bait and Switch tactic to hook in customers, providing them with the false idea that they will get a good deal on an item that is no longer in stock.

An example is say a 52'' plasma screen TV on sale 75% off but there are only 2 in stock and get sold immediately. People come in the rest of the day ready to purchase the TV but since there are no more they end up buying something else since they feel they came for nothing. The store owner intentionally only has 2 in stock so that he doesn't lose money and at the same time makes profit off of the people that came in wanting the TV but decided not to leave empty handed. THIS IS ILLEGAL!

This example can be applied to what Joymax is doing. They offer a "free" game to attract people but offer very limited slots on their servers so that you are forced to pay money to log in. It's a Bait and Switch tactic used to lure customers in and end up paying for what should have been free. It's very similar to false advertising.

I believe when its a free game there is no law prohibiting how they choose to run it. If you don't like it theres more online games, but trust me i know how you feel on the slots situation its annoying when someone knew wants to try out the game and cant even log in

[BladeSkillz]

I would like to respond to a few comments posted.

1. Just because Joymax is a company based in Korea does not mean that they can conduct illegal business tactics in the United States. They hold an office in California and they must abide by US law.

2. Although you may disagree, Joymax offers a "free" game but their real intention is for you to pay in order to log in. They are indeed pulling a bait and switch tactic because if you truly want to be able to play freely whenever you want you MUST purchase, at a minimum, a $15 premium ticket every 28 days.

3. I never stated I wanted to sue Joymax company and I certainly don't have the intention because such a suit would never result in a settlement and would only waste a courts time. I am merely bringing to your attention that Joymax illustrates very poor business conduct (which you all already know anyway) to such an extent that it violates business practice laws in the United States.

4. I am not 15 years old, I am 19. I am a junior in the University of Central Florida and I am an accounting major and I am pursuing a minor in legal studies. You however (and I am referring to the person making the age comment) responded to my post in an insulting manner and you make yourself look childish.

[Toshiharu]

Black Friday must be illegal according to you then.

@The person that said usa doesn't own everything.. Joymax's international office is located in the U.S.

[Sharp324]

In the United States there is a law that prohibits companies from using a Bait and Switch tactic to hook in customers, providing them with the false idea that they will get a good deal on an item that is no longer in stock.

An example is say a 52'' plasma screen TV on sale 75% off but there are only 2 in stock and get sold immediately. People come in the rest of the day ready to purchase the TV but since there are no more they end up buying something else since they feel they came for nothing. The store owner intentionally only has 2 in stock so that he doesn't lose money and at the same time makes profit off of the people that came in wanting the TV but decided not to leave empty handed. THIS IS ILLEGAL!

This example can be applied to what Joymax is doing. They offer a "free" game to attract people but offer very limited slots on their servers so that you are forced to pay money to log in. It's a Bait and Switch tactic used to lure customers in and end up paying for what should have been free. It's very similar to false advertising.

Actually, companies do that all the time. Like Wal-Marts blitz sale, everything is marked down but say on TVs and laptops they have say 5 of them but many high priced ones. Plus good luck sueing since they aren't based in America. Really dont think you have the money for that

[NuclearSilo]

An example is say a 52'' plasma screen TV on sale 75% off but there are only 2 in stock and get sold immediately. People come in the rest of the day ready to purchase the TV but since there are no more they end up buying something else since they feel they came for nothing. The store owner intentionally only has 2 in stock so that he doesn't lose money and at the same time makes profit off of the people that came in wanting the TV but decided not to leave empty handed. THIS IS ILLEGAL!

I didnt see the relation with sro here. If u dont like sro, just quit it. No one force u to buy a premium ticket. It's the bots that make the servers crowded, not JM. Go sue them.
As for those who decided not to leave empty handed are just dumb ass too. No one force them to buy anything and there is no harm to not buy anything.
US law is bullshit

[alberttron]

im not 100% sure but i heard that Joymax is in U.S. and another company runs the koran and other Sros >.>

[KillAndChill]

koria

koran

Korea

[Kiddeh]

I would like to respond to a few comments posted.

1. Just because Joymax is a company based in Korea does not mean that they can conduct illegal business tactics in the United States. They hold an office in California and they must abide by US law.

True...

2. Although you may disagree, Joymax offers a "free" game but their real intention is for you to pay in order to log in. They are indeed pulling a bait and switch tactic because if you truly want to be able to play freely whenever you want you MUST purchase, at a minimum, a $15 premium ticket every 28 days.

Your wrong... nowhere in the ToS does it say u can get in when ever u want... it just says its a free game which it is... how long it takes u to enter the game is not the issue. it just so happens u can ensure ur entry indefinitley by buying a PT

3. I never stated I wanted to sue Joymax company and I certainly don't have the intention because such a suit would never result in a settlement and would only waste a courts time. I am merely bringing to your attention that Joymax illustrates very poor business conduct (which you all already know anyway) to such an extent that it violates business practice laws in the United States.

it doesent violate the law once again its a free game... and yes Joymax has a poor business ethic but they dont need to care about the customers when there makin the money they do... also they have a great game which some people find difficult to walk away from (including myself i quit 3 times... not worked yet)

4. I am not 15 years old, I am 19. I am a junior in the University of Central Florida and I am an accounting major and I am pursuing a minor in legal studies. You however (and I am referring to the person making the age comment) responded to my post in an insulting manner and you make yourself look childish.

hey m8 im 18 i am childish deal with it (plz see username) and if ur so high an might why are u talking complete shit on a forum without doing proper research... Barotix has a very informative thread in which he shows the flaws from Joymax's ToS altough they changed there ToS do make themselve not liable... which is perfectly legal as they had a clause in the Terms which stated that they could change the ToS without the permission of the applicant as long as they inform the applicant thereafter... which has been done.

and i responded in an insulting manner which makes me look childish... ok? so when adults fight they dont insult each other... wow someone has clearly never been to a pub...

[phulshof]

ToS or not, a company still has to abide by the laws of each country it conducts business in. Now if a company doesn't have an office within that country it may be difficult to get a judgement enforced, but in this case Joymax has an office within the US. That means that if Joymax is violating American law it can be sued, and it can be penalized by a judge. I'm not going to comment on whether I believe Joymax is violating American law, since I'm not familiar with these aspects of American law.

[William-CL]

im not 100% sure but i heard that Joymax is in U.S. and another company runs the koran and other Sros >.>

That's backwards a bit, they have a workplace in california for ISRO, but it originates from Korea.