Are nukers screwed

[MrTwilliger]

Why do you people say such silly things?

If you want a 1v pvp build, light ice weapon
If you want a group pvp build, fire light ice

In a group pvp, why sit there whacking someone with spear skills while you can nuke from a distance using the two best nukes? You shouldn't be getting attacked if played right so you dont need to worry about your nukes getting canceled.

Dropping fire? no immunity? In 1v1 you will be screwed. Someone uses ice imbue = your gonna have a bad time. Even with pills your still frozen and slowed down for a second. No magical defense buffs? Have fun fighting other pure intl characters.

IMO for 90 cap, 90 fire, 90 light, 90 cold 30 bich. The 30 bich still gives you KD if you need it + mountain shield which gives you 10% br increase ( i think ). Seems the best to me. Sure i dont have videos to back myself up, none of us do. Theres no lvl 80's yet. But on paper it seems the most logical.

[TukKertj]

light 60? better light 90/fire60...
ints need light more than fire

fire need to be 90 or need to be 0 for nukers..

u only need them for better nuke and imbue..

light most need for the mag buff well in last 30 lvls u get like 10 % of them but u still have like 20 % extra

when u have fire on 60 what the fck u can do with it?

phy attack=not realy need
mag defence= ok it,s nice but better up light for more snow and phy
the nukes/imbue=wortlress when it,s just lvl 60..

[TukKertj]

and a nuker realy need weapon skills only nuke is killing yourself..

the nukes take so long in that time weapon users can easy stun/kb/kd u so your nuke fail..

and u don,t have time to pot because u can,t stun or kd of kb them..

so pure nuke is killing yourself..

u need weapon skills and also check the icon left top of your weapon masterie

it says attack power will be increase with [lvl of masterie]% when (weapon of what it is) is equiped..

at 90 u lose like 90 % attack power then..

[IowU]

no one said anything about strongest chinese chars u can make...

force90+cold90+bicheon90+light30
force90+cold30+bicheon90+light90
force90+cold90+fire30+light90

and besides fire is usless as hell... being force+fire+light nuker is worst thing u can do...

[Barotix]

and a nuker realy need weapon skills only nuke is killing yourself..

the nukes take so long in that time weapon users can easy stun/kb/kd u so your nuke fail..

and u don,t have time to pot because u can,t stun or kd of kb them..

so pure nuke is killing yourself..

u need weapon skills and also check the icon left top of your weapon masterie

it says attack power will be increase with [lvl of masterie]% when (weapon of what it is) is equiped..

at 90 u lose like 90 % attack power then..

That only applies when you use weapon skills from that tree.

[MrTwilliger]

no one said anything about strongest chinese chars u can make...

force90+cold90+bicheon90+light30
force90+cold30+bicheon90+light90
force90+cold90+fire30+light90

and besides fire is usless as hell... being force+fire+light nuker is worst thing u can do...

Useless? huge magic defense increase? strongest imbue? immunity? combustion?

oh no, but tis defiantly useless

[NuclearSilo]

Easy!

90 Force, 90 Light, 90 Ice : vital spot + 2 nukes + 2 shouts = dead

[__ViRuS__]

well tell me about hybrid spear

is
90spear
90ice
90light
good

or

90wep
90light
60ice
60fire
i dont think getting fire to 60 well do good but i think going 1st build well do better
as a 2:1 hybrid int

[MrTwilliger]

Theres no point putting fire below lvl 61 >.<

[LockStar.]

http://www.wegame.com/watch/IowU_pvp_compilation_part1/

You're showing Sun user owning with weapon skill.... He would own too wit nukes.
I am saying, pure int would fare better with nukes against pure str.

You can never kill a glavier of your level equipment, level and farming just with nukes.Let alone a blader.. *cough*

God must be the 100th time I've said this.

[Timmeh]

Well, the majority of you are saying that pure int spear builds needs to max out ice and light, doesn't that mean that the current nukers with level 60+ fire have to get lot's of cursed hearts in order to stay alive and keep up.

[Kiddeh]

personally i dont understand why nukers bother with weapons skills anymore... i mean most new chars get lvled by power lvl and one there 30 they can hold there own so why not 90 ice fire and light.... then save the rest for future updates....? instead of wasting it with just sayin oh **** it i put it on shield or like... spear... totally stupid

[Eden]

http://www.wegame.com/watch/IowU_pvp_compilation_part1/

You're showing Sun user owning with weapon skill.... He would own too wit nukes.
I am saying, pure int would fare better with nukes against pure str.

You can never kill a glavier of your level equipment, level and farming just with nukes.Let alone a blader.. *cough*

God must be the 100th time I've said this.

Lol they won't understand that nukes are slow attacks. Yes, slowwwwwwwwwww.

[sikdd]

spear hybrids prepare to get ownt, by glaivers like always, bladers, euros. ur only chance is to own a possible unlucky s/s int side build.
benefits however, prepare to nuke ridiculously strong behin someone else lol. its obvious this cap is meant to leave ints to support, simple as that. in small numbers u will always be selected first, so be sure to hang back. you will need lightning, you will need ice. and thats only so you can survive while running away. choices are weopon,force, or fire to maxed. pick what you want. they have have their advantages, THERE are plenty of ways to improve and custom build ur build to fit your style of play. but i personally wont tell all the different ways i know of because it simply helps my competition HAVE fun ints

[piXie_niXie]

for those of u who dont know

and int nuker hits harder with weapon skills than a blader


so wep skills are very useful to a nuker in 1v1(which i do alot in solo thiefing)

[soxdrop]

Im probably going for 60 ice/light, 90 bich/fire as a full int s/s.

pros:
-without shield you can't survive euro chars
-lightning chain+shield=you will be able to do a couple of nukes after each other with big dmg
-snow shield is a must against euros but even 40% can be enough because of your shield and you can use armor because you get mag def from fire buff
-you loose 3% of mag damage increase which is nothing compared to what you gain from fire nukes that even have 330% damage nuke while the bigest light nuke stucks at 300%
-the best: you will have 3 fire books at your mastery level that you can spam without any delay (very useful against uniques since fire nukes have a biger range as well). In the light tree you only have 2 nukes that can be used after each other and 1 is way under your lvl just as the lion shouts you would have to use to fill the time while your nukes reload

cons:
-you loose around 10 extra parry which is almost nothing
-you loose a lot of phys def but you will use armor so it wont matter that much

a few small things left out but those are not important..

[Logik]

for me is 90bicheon 90ice 90light 60fire

[John_Doe]

chinese arn't meant to be pure str or int, people are gonna have to start being Hybrid, being pure only worked cause you where able to subtian so many skill trees. Ints without weapon skills are doomed no matter what they say. Chinese will need both a weapon and magic tree, and unless there hybrid the effect of either the weapon nor magic tree will not do much for the user eventaully being cancelled out cause of so few points in the respected area. I'm assuming this from the way your phy nor mag balance decrease as you add to the oppisite. And assuming from this for pure strs, your mag balance will decrease so much that imbue wouldn't do anything anymore, same for ints but for the phy atks. Thus reducing pure strs to weapon skills and ints to nukes. Even with that mag or phy atk on chinese weapons if you don't have enough balance that damage just gets shot down. There is a reason why euros only have one type of atk on thier weapons, they were truely meant for pure. Chinese will have to be hybrid or there versitiblty will be shot down the gutter. But that is all assumption, we'll see what happens. But i do stand by this, Ints with no weapon skills are doomed no matter what.

/rant

[soxdrop]

the overal damage of a hybrid will always be smaller than a full int even if they use weapon skills and nukes alternately so i dont get your point

[penfold1992]

ok so nukers in pvp must have weapon mastery and ice to stay alive?

yes at 140/150 cap ALL NUKERS WILL BE ICE AND WEAPON
yea right!
most will go ice and light.
you dont need weapon mastery to make your nuker hit stronger. actually any nukes have the same damage if your weapon mastery is 0 or 90 makes no difference

dont say nukes are slow. isnt that what most people use to grind with?

[Eden]

Why do you guys talk about lv 140 cap? lol. That's like ages away.

And nukes are slow. If you don't understand why, then is your problem. I'm tired of repeat it again and again.

[John_Doe]

the overal damage of a hybrid will always be smaller than a full int even if they use weapon skills and nukes alternately so i dont get your point

Im not comparing hybrid damage to pure int damage. Pure int will always do more damage then a hybrid, what i was trying to say, assuming from mag/phy balance and the mag/phy atk on weapons. Unless you have have enough points in int/str that mag/phy balance and mag/phy atk will be crippled. Thus reducing you to ether phy atk or just mag atks. And if you were to be reduce to just phy atk or mag atk, you might as well made a euro. Chinese are meant to be versatiable, but that versatility gets shot down when you are reduce to only weapon skills or nukes cause of such little balance.

@Penfold
high damage won't do you no good if you can't even cast it before being sent to oblivian.

Why do you guys talk about lv 140 cap? lol. That's like ages away.

And nukes are slow. If you don't understand why, then is your problem. I'm tired of repeat it again and again.

i was making a point about where every1 else will go after this cap
nukes are not too slow. if they were too slow why do people use them? why do people go NUKERS why do people grind with them?
its the fastest way to grind (as a chinese char)

nukes are too slow but nukes tend to 1hit mobs the players lvl, that is why nukes are use for grinding not cause there fast.

people still use them in pvp. they are not useless btw is ur avatar photoshoped

I dont think anyone said they were useless. Most people are trying to point out that you shouldn't just mindlessey spam them in pvp.

[penfold1992]

Why do you guys talk about lv 140 cap? lol. That's like ages away.

And nukes are slow. If you don't understand why, then is your problem. I'm tired of repeat it again and again.

i was making a point about where every1 else will go after this cap
nukes are not too slow. if they were too slow why do people use them? why do people go NUKERS why do people grind with them?
its the fastest way to grind (as a chinese char)

[Eden]

Yes, fast to grind cause the monsters don't use potions.

Between 1 nuke and the next one you have enough time to heal a lot of hp.

[penfold1992]

people still use them in pvp. they are not useless btw is ur avatar photoshoped

[AkillerNXC]

Eden's right 100%. UNLESS you have force, theres NO possible way a nuker can kill without weapon skills. Its impossible. And for the ones who keep saying you only need nukes, have you ever played a nuker? Even in pve, you would die more then someone with weapon skills.

Fire nuke at 90 may be 315%, but lightning nuke still has the higher top damage, along with the 18% extra damage on everything thats magical based. Nuker's can not go without light. Just watch and see. Trust me the 90 fire nuker's are gonna get raped by glaviers with 85 Ghost spear.

/Agree with lockstar and Eden. Nukes take WAY to long to kill someone.

[Krushrpants]

Fire 90
Weapon 90
ice 60
lightning 60

^suggested for spear int hybrids.

YES. Im planning on that currently - although, I was thinking of swapping out the fire for light... but I like all the fire nukes too much. (Having just one nuke kinda sucks.)

[Genuie]

90 ice/light/weapon is the way to go for the lvl 90 cap people.
The koreans are going 90 fire/light/ice though I don't know if that will work.

[Barotix]

90 ice/light/weapon is the way to go for the lvl 90 cap people.
The koreans are going 90 fire/light/ice though I don't know if that will work.

The Koreans are going 100 fire/100 light/ 100 ice with a shield and sword on most of the time. They do well enough in both PvP and PvE to be the dominant intelligent build at both 90 and 100 cap. Koreans have always rocked us in PvP, I wonder why.

Isro is to Player Vs Player should be more Party Vs Party. I can't wait until joymax starts forcing people to A]Go Hybrid or B]Drop weapons or a Force.

[Genuie]

90 ice/light/weapon is the way to go for the lvl 90 cap people.
The koreans are going 90 fire/light/ice though I don't know if that will work.

The Koreans are going 100 fire/100 light/ 100 ice with a shield and sword on most of the time. They do well enough in both PvP and PvE to be the dominant intelligent build at both 90 and 100 cap. Koreans have always rocked us in PvP, I wonder why.

Isro is to Player Vs Player should be more Party Vs Party. I can't wait until joymax starts forcing people to A]Go Hybrid or B]Drop weapons or a Force.

Thats what I meant, I was corresponding to the lvl 90 cap.