90 Ice 90 Lightning 90 Force, S/S Nuker?

[Beanstalk]

Says this guy, so would force come in handy? He prefers Force over Bicheon... I wanted to slap him

[EselRompe]

With force lvl 90 you can nuke some status on him then nuke him with real nukes
easy kill

[Beanstalk]

Wont he be an easy kill because of his disability to use kd/stab?

[XMoshe]

80 ice -> 50% snowshield
90 ice -> 55-60% snowshield

He will be invulnerable (sp) for those 2 mins but just like any other int s/s, he'd die eventually without it..

I think it could work out

[RogueKiller]

He won't get a hit off.
Easy way to disable him would be to just constant stun or kd.
For bow run, then kb, stun.

[frankaslt1]

yup he is talking true 90 force 90 fire 90 ice, will own, get division then pwn with +7 spear in 2 nukes.

also dun forget impotent it makes ur dmg very low, so he can tank even better.

[Sovereign]

I agree with that emporer guy. If he can use force with nukes, then unless your lucky then he will kill you very quickly.
Lots of people in ksro use Force in their builds so they can hit higher.

[Razorhead]

Force + Fire + Cold = a lot of damage BUT
When he has no snow -> dies very fast...
No lightning also means NO mag att/parry/Speed + Phantom)
He can do quite some damage, but if u phantom he can't keep up -> full hp & mp and then wait till his snow ends -> he is dead; he has no weap skills (no kd + stabs / phy shield OR kb / Stun / mag shield)
And force passive, extra mp; only supports snowshield...
Heuksal -> hp
Bicheon -> blocking

The damage will be there, but the speed and survival possabilities aren't
Oh and vs bows WITHOUT PHANTOM = GOOD LUCK....

[TukKertj]

no man lol u need a weapon masterie..

check the text what u see when u hold it on the logo..

when sword/shield equiped attack power will be increased with 80/90 %..

down ice to 30 realy i have a spear force nuker and i can tank a 80 ff full str without snow when he have the status on him..

but s/s have even more defence and still hit sick with force..

so i would say down ice and up force


here 2 vids of force nuker..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMfoBbED6nM [S/S]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hgda70OU6E [Spear My video:)]

[_Dutchy_]

for me force nukers are the hardest to kill cuz they keep hitting me with impotent wich lowers my attack and they can really rip apart ppl when they put weakening etc on you i would prefer Force over bicheon anyday

[CLOT]

80 ice -> 50% snowshield
90 ice -> 55-60% snowshield

He will be invulnerable (sp) for those 2 mins but just like any other int s/s, he'd die eventually without it..

I think it could work out

90 ice = 53% snowshield, not 55-60 =.=

[AkillerNXC]

Force nukers will be the strongest believe it or not. Division + weaken + Impotent and you'll be hitting almost double what a normal nuke would hit. With a 55% ice shield, he wont be able to die. And with lightning he'll get an extra 18% mag attk. Along with the hit ratio and parry ratio decreases.

Yeah nukers have a chain with division and bleed and impotent... but its 30%. Force is 80%

[William-CL]

I will have Light Fire and Cold 90 if I ever get there and farmed. Currently 68 and playing WOW.

[Libertarian]

Yes, played correctly I think Force nukers can be very useful.

EDIT: However...how high do you have to get your Snow Shield for it to be useful? You pretty much have to get Cold 90, or?

[brentonsbbe359]

with force you would have more MP and you could put on more stats to nukers to make them weak. but idk. i personally think force is a waist of mp

[XMoshe]

80 ice -> 50% snowshield
90 ice -> 55-60% snowshield

He will be invulnerable (sp) for those 2 mins but just like any other int s/s, he'd die eventually without it..

I think it could work out

90 ice = 53% snowshield, not 55-60 =.=

53% then, I was just guessing ^_^ Don't know all the number from the top of my head lolz

[Libertarian]

80 ice -> 50% snowshield
90 ice -> 55-60% snowshield

He will be invulnerable (sp) for those 2 mins but just like any other int s/s, he'd die eventually without it..

I think it could work out

90 ice = 53% snowshield, not 55-60 =.=

I would probably leave Cold at 80 then, and get Heuksal 40, for the extra hp. Maybe even Cold 70 would be enough?

[_Dutchy_]

80 ice -> 50% snowshield
90 ice -> 55-60% snowshield

He will be invulnerable (sp) for those 2 mins but just like any other int s/s, he'd die eventually without it..

I think it could work out

90 ice = 53% snowshield, not 55-60 =.=

I would probably leave Cold at 80 then, and get Heuksal 40, for the extra hp. Maybe even Cold 70 would be enough?

40 Heuk will only give like ..400 HP orso ? would that really make the difference =/ ?
i personaly would go get cold as high as posible i mean i rather have a higher phy defence pasive then a other 400 HP

[Libertarian]

40 Heuk will only give like ..400 HP orso ? would that really make the difference =/ ?
i personaly would go get cold as high as posible i mean i rather have a higher phy defence pasive then a other 400 HP

Yes, I think it'll be 450-500 HP, but when you're a nuker that's like 10% of your HP at 90. But I guess you have to get cold as high as possible. =/

[Mousetrap]

He'll probably do ok.. but jesus, that's about the most boring build I can think of.
stat.. stat.. stat.. nuke..

[Libertarian]

He'll probably do ok.. but jesus, that's about the most boring build I can think of.
stat.. stat.. stat.. nuke..

I don't see how it's any more boring than any other build.

[RogueKiller]

He'll probably do ok.. but jesus, that's about the most boring build I can think of.
stat.. stat.. stat.. nuke..

I don't see how it's any more boring than any other build.

There is nothing more boring than just nuking. Whats the difference between that and grinding?

[CLOT]

40 Heuk will only give like ..400 HP orso ? would that really make the difference =/ ?
i personaly would go get cold as high as posible i mean i rather have a higher phy defence pasive then a other 400 HP

Yes, I think it'll be 450-500 HP, but when you're a nuker that's like 10% of your HP at 90. But I guess you have to get cold as high as possible. =/

for snow shield, juz leave it at 50% will be enough, 90snowshield juz for that 3% wouldnt be worth the sp
the thing about ice90 is that there is a big jump in the phy def buff/passive 89-90
@ 90 its 132 x2 = 264 phy def...thats the main reason for going ice90, nothing else and not for the 3% more snowshield

[TukKertj]

don,t do it u need weapon masterie for the 80/90 % more damage u do...

[Jantje]

Hows ganjacyde doing?
Ah your pur?

[nicolasvc2]

force is bad if u got holy spel or someting on urself

[emperor3000]

yeah, for a nuker you don't really need a weapon skill, later on in higher than 100 cap, you don't need any weapon skills.

In cSRO chinese nukers do fine without weapon skills.(100 cap just updated)

chinese nukers can do around 10-15k

so weapon skills won't be that much of a big deal



Oh, and for those who said they can't tank, they don't need to, only in "1 vs 1" but in a group by group(job war), they won't get killed easily.


People just worry TOO much on 1 on 1, so focus more of party related.

[Cross]

so bottom line which is better for 1 on 1 pvps and party oriented wars ??

FIRE or BICHEON ?

i still cant decide what should be my third skill knowing ill always be using a sword and shield and that ice 90 and light 90 are a must for me and that im making this character for pvps 1 on 1 but guild wars and fortress more specially ??

please id appreciate any advice or any link that directs me to the answer
thnx in advance

[Logik]

Well i suggest Bicheon is more fun imo with the chains and kd and you even get the iron shield
that lasts for 15 sec that 2min 15sec survivable but of curse only against phy build iron shield is useful i don't know what the other skill of that line does really so cant say anything about that one.

i got a nuker that has 80 bicheon 80ice 80 light and 60 fire , and when i used to play with it i did ok with a normal set +5 garm and +5 weps.

and buttom line for me 90 bicheon 90ice and 90 light is better cuz you can do phy dmg and mag dmg and is more fun xDD

force would be useless cuz now with clerics everywhere those debuffs wont work and would be a waste of mastery.

[CLOT]

so bottom line which is better for 1 on 1 pvps and party oriented wars ??

FIRE or BICHEON ?

i still cant decide what should be my third skill knowing ill always be using a sword and shield and that ice 90 and light 90 are a must for me and that im making this character for pvps 1 on 1 but guild wars and fortress more specially ??

please id appreciate any advice or any link that directs me to the answer
thnx in advance

1v1 pvp : bich90, better survivability, ironwall, status, KD to save life
group fight : fire90, more nukes, dmg dealer role, no need to care about survivability since there will be ur frenz tanking for u while u juz nuke