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Twist · Post by **Twist** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:39 am

Help me pick a build,i like both,i really cant decide,warrior or rogue.Which is better and funner to play?thanks ^^.

XMoshe · Post by **XMoshe** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:58 am

You like to tank more, or deal more dmg...If you know that, you know what build to pick, dont let us pick for you.

Fury · Post by **Fury** » Fri May 09, 2008 11:09 am

2h Warrior sub cleric. Very good Defense and very good damage. With those skins on no1 will be able to even scratch you.

XMoshe · Post by **XMoshe** » Fri May 09, 2008 11:27 am

Fury wrote:2h Warrior sub cleric. Very good Defense and very good damage. With those skins on no1 will be able to even scratch you.

Just pot the dmg for 90 secs and their down....

_BoBsk1ee_ · Post by **_BoBsk1ee_** » Fri May 09, 2008 12:04 pm

[SW]XMoshe wrote:
Fury wrote:2h Warrior sub cleric. Very good Defense and very good damage. With those skins on no1 will be able to even scratch you.

Just pot the dmg for 90 secs and their down....

+1 !, just some kd's some potting, maybe some running and after 90 sec he is yours.

And yeah just pick your own favorite, look at the pros and cons and decide.

the_wicked · Post by **the_wicked** » Fri May 09, 2008 12:10 pm

_BoBsk1ee_ wrote:
[SW]XMoshe wrote:
Fury wrote:2h Warrior sub cleric. Very good Defense and very good damage. With those skins on no1 will be able to even scratch you.

Just pot the dmg for 90 secs and their down....

+1 !, just some kd's some potting, maybe some running and after 90 sec he is yours.

And yeah just pick your own favorite, look at the pros and cons and decide.

lol, have you ever pvp'd a good warrior? Doubt it. Warrior cleric is hard as fk to kill. You can skin/bless/skin in a row, not to mention 2h sword deals massive damage and has high crit rate. I haven't lost to any chinese builds except nukers s/s with snow, and even then i got 50/50 win loss.

SPYCOPPER · Post by **SPYCOPPER** » Fri May 09, 2008 1:46 pm

glavy is the best of all build

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:18 pm

[SW]XMoshe wrote:
Fury wrote:2h Warrior sub cleric. Very good Defense and very good damage. With those skins on no1 will be able to even scratch you.

Just pot the dmg for 90 secs and their down....

nope, if you take out the cleric rod and shield they won't die.
350 physical defense added from cleric passives, shield, and cleric buffs, then 550 magic defense added from the same thing. (given you're wearing light armor).

a +4 set warrior in light armor can tank a sun glaiver for 30 seconds until bless is back.
for the int's, 2 absolute damages and then a daredevil with only 1 crit is all it should take but i havent tried it yet, i cant really see an int taking almost 9k absolute damage and then a daredevil even with snow shield but it really depends on the gears of either player.

as for rogue, you dont have much defense. you cast bless BEFORE dagger desperate or crossbow extreme, so your defense is cut by 75% nonetheless. If you could cast bless after then itd be a different story. After bless is done you don't have skins or anything so you're basically set to do what the warrior/cleric does, which is take out the cleric rod and shield, make most of the passive, buff yourself and heal for as long as you like. Rogue does more damage but i'd be more afraind of a warrior cuz of the length of their suvivability with a maxed a crit 8 passive.
You could play rogue like the IowU video, but it takes longer to kill people without dagger desperate and with constant interuptions in jobwars (watch the vid) itd be pretty hard taking down more than 2 people by yourself in less than 45 secs. Keep in mind that crit 22+ dags criting still hurts even if theyre not under dagger desperate.

both are very good builds, id take the warrior though cuz i like buffing other people too.

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:27 pm

Make it easier for yourself and make a warrior sub rogue. :roll:

brentonsbbe359 · Post by **brentonsbbe359** » Fri May 09, 2008 5:13 pm

id say rouge is much funny! especialy if you can afford to be both crossbow and dagger.

crossbow is awesome dmg and its ranged with cool skills. and dagger has all those awesome flips

warrior is like the same skills from 3x-6x.... SO BORING

ahmedsabry · Post by **ahmedsabry** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:47 pm

both cool

although loads of people say that 2H/clerics are overpowered, and i basically agree.
u tank like hell, u hit like hell, u kd, u kb, u have no pot delay, u can switch to 1H when u need extra def, u crit a hell LOT (think of it as a glavier with super criticals and kd who can turn into a blader when he needs it!)...
i mean.. aside from range, what actually doesnt a 2H/Cleric have?

_BoBsk1ee_ · Post by **_BoBsk1ee_** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:08 pm

ahmedsabry wrote:both cool
although loads of people say that 2H/clerics are overpowered, and i basically agree.
u tank like hell, u hit like hell, u kd, u kb, u have no pot delay, u can switch to 1H when u need extra def, u crit a hell LOT (think of it as a glavier with super criticals and kd who can turn into a blader when he needs it!)...
i mean.. aside from range, what actually doesnt a 2H/Cleric have?

huh ? Does a warrior cleric, don't have a pot delay ??

Nitro · Post by **Nitro** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:47 pm

_BoBsk1ee_ wrote:
ahmedsabry wrote:both cool
although loads of people say that 2H/clerics are overpowered, and i basically agree.
u tank like hell, u hit like hell, u kd, u kb, u have no pot delay, u can switch to 1H when u need extra def, u crit a hell LOT (think of it as a glavier with super criticals and kd who can turn into a blader when he needs it!)...
i mean.. aside from range, what actually doesnt a 2H/Cleric have?

huh ? Does a warrior cleric, don't have a pot delay ??

Hehehe ...it can get boring easily ... Anyway ... Someone said "pot up 90 seconds" ... first of all ... Iron skin + Mana skin (45 sec) + Bless (45 seconds) and skins are nearly recharged ... Second --> 1h + shield + vital increase + konstant KB = you can tank anything really ...

Well... it can get boring because ... I used to had 2h/cleric ... I missed that AoE nuke that Wizard has ... example while helping lowbie to do trade run ... its complicated with Warrior to kill them ... + block maybe ... it takes time ... while wizards just 1 hits all of them ...
I know Warrior has some AoE but they spread up ... so you wont always AoE them ...

Anyway ... the build is great ... for PvP and party play ... basicly all you need ...

About Rogue ... I dont like it much ... He is , maybe full str, but he dies really really fast with XE / DD ... and without it hes weaker version of Warrior ... I played him at lv.80 ... he dies fast :$ ...But can kill great ... But you will never be able to put your job suit on you and rush into 7-8 thiefs / hunters outside DW , and kill some ints

theblindarcher · Post by **theblindarcher** » Sat May 10, 2008 1:05 am

Dont listin to these guys Full Str Nuker FTW! I do so much damage dude its not even funny

_Scarlett_ · Post by **_Scarlett_** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:41 am

theblindarcher wrote:Dont listin to these guys Full Str Nuker FTW! I do so much damage dude its not even funny

When'd the full str nuker joke come back '~,o

ahmedsabry · Post by **ahmedsabry** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:54 am

_BoBsk1ee_ wrote:
ahmedsabry wrote:both cool
although loads of people say that 2H/clerics are overpowered, and i basically agree.
u tank like hell, u hit like hell, u kd, u kb, u have no pot delay, u can switch to 1H when u need extra def, u crit a hell LOT (think of it as a glavier with super criticals and kd who can turn into a blader when he needs it!)...
i mean.. aside from range, what actually doesnt a 2H/Cleric have?

huh ? Does a warrior cleric, don't have a pot delay ??

nope, no pot delay! recovery division rocks!

_Scarlett_ · Post by **_Scarlett_** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:26 am

RD only heals like every 5 secs '~,o

salmissra · Post by **salmissra** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:34 am

i've tried both build and i've enjoyed playing my 2h/cleric more than my rogue/cleric and rogue/bard (too much time to experiment >.>)

rogue had great damage but usually low defense

warriors have great damage too (2h) and with heavy armor and the skins + recovery division really helps.

and yea the only build that i had problem with was s/s nukers...damn snow shield >.>

_Scarlett_ · Post by **_Scarlett_** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:35 am

solution to nukers in snow = 1h/shield + vital increase, holy word/spell, recovery division, bless spell (eventually skins). Tank until their snow runs out, switch to 2h and finish it. Cut, print, repeat.

Also, if you need extra defense to tank when out of bless spell or skins (like others have said; if you're wearing light armor) pull out the ole cleric rod (invest in the glory armor, and favor armor passives), and give yourself soul blessing and body deity. If they can kill you when you do that...either you suck or they're a god...which I doubt the latter to be true XD

ahmedsabry · Post by **ahmedsabry** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:55 am

_Scarlett_ wrote:RD only heals like every 5 secs '~,o

1- RD recovers hp randomly, but even if we say it recovers every 5 secs on average, so thats 12 times/minute + 4 times/minute from pots = 16 times/minute = recovery every 3.5 secs approx.
2- at the 90 cap RD recovers 2473 hp every time, which is WAY more than the best pot in game, even when combined with vigors!

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