Int spear, no glaive mastery

[Barotix]

Most of you guys are really hopeless.

I didn't even read that load of writing over there.But if you want to just make a build because its unique(Ignoring that it will completely suck), go ahead and do it. And yeah.. read all of Bartoix's stuff because I really cba to go through it all.

I have tried it myself, seen friends do it, died many times.. and I share it with you here.

What strategies did you use? And what way did you fight? How was your gear? What type of fights did you fight? The build wasn't very good at 80 cap AFAIK, but at 90 and beyond it'll be, as Borat says, "very nice"

I mean let me summarize my other post:

Essentially this build would have never worked before Europe and before 90 cap, just trust me on this: The build works and if it didn't work I wouldn't be defending it. Do you see me defend random builds often? No. I said I like thinking outside the box, that means I like trying to think why the hell someone would make such a build, no-weapon nukers and glaivers were the dominant build on Ksro no its glaivers and archers, but why were they dominant? Ksro had 90 cap with level 60 skills for two years, it has to do with the cap: What makes the 90 cap so special that people are willing to drop weapons?

At 80 cap the defense you get from Ice isn't as great as 90 cap's. Basically between 80 and 90 Ice makes such a massive leap that it ups your survival ten fold. Fire and Light grow in damage, while Ice's def capabilities rise exponentially. Note* They didn't drop their weapons until after they got 90 skills... its just... well You get where I'm coming from now?

90 =/= 80... just saying
80 cap No Weapon doesn't have shit on Weapon
90+ No Weapon is worthwhile... You get what I'm saying?

[seadrift]

does that mean u have to be plvled to lvl 30?

[Barotix]

does that mean u have to be plvled to lvl 30?

No, you can grind to level 30 just fine.

Bow Mastery level 7 and you're good to go

[DarkJackal]

Sacch is making this, not for 1on1 pvp, but since shes never really alone to fight, she should be good with this build, anyone fighting somoene already isn't gonna be able to take nukes as well.

[seadrift]

does that mean u have to be plvled to lvl 30?

No, you can grind to level 30 just fine.

Bow Mastery level 7 and you're good to go

wouldnt that be a hard time? grinding with no skills what so ever and being pure int too..that would take a long time plus all the dying and stuff since u are full int

[RogueKiller]

does that mean u have to be plvled to lvl 30?

No, you can grind to level 30 just fine.

Bow Mastery level 7 and you're good to go

wouldnt that be a hard time? grinding with no skills what so ever and being pure int too..that would take a long time plus all the dying and stuff since u are full int

Since your planning for 90 cap you would be fine.
Your lvl 30 skill tree could be a weapon skill.
The rest of them would be 90. Fire, Light, Ice.

[Barotix]

does that mean u have to be plvled to lvl 30?

No, you can grind to level 30 just fine.

Bow Mastery level 7 and you're good to go

wouldnt that be a hard time? grinding with no skills what so ever and being pure int too..that would take a long time plus all the dying and stuff since u are full int

anit-devil and bow combo works just fine. grinding with it won't be a problem. Once you hit 30 get a good +3 spear with decent gear and go nuke + lion shout. You'll most likely be leveling with light + fire or light + ice.

[LockStar.]

90+ No Weapon is worthwhile... You get what I'm saying?

No.

I... my friend has recorded a few videos of me pvping, and it only shows how Impossible it is to kill a glavier without a weapon tree, it actually shows it is hard to kill a GOOD glavier if the INT has a weapon tree. No way in hell will you make me believe that it will be possible at 90 cap.

[dannoob]

he already said for 90 cap it will be awesome and that for 80 cap its not effective. and 'different ppl play differently. personally i find the all forces nuker to be really strong. if you dont want to believe it then dont but dont say for sure it wont work, till you check out 90 cap pvp vids where all nukers only use nukes and no weps.

[RogueKiller]

he already said for 90 cap it will be awesome and that for 80 cap its not effective. and 'different ppl play differently. personally i find the all forces nuker to be really strong. if you dont want to believe it then dont but dont say for sure it wont work, till you check out 90 cap pvp vids where all nukers only use nukes and no weps.

Actually 90 cap ksro they used weapon skills. If your referring to the current ksro videos they are at cap 120. Which they have to use all three because they don't have the choice anymore. Moreover if you watch the ksro video of pvp between a nuker and a str character in 1 vs 1 the pure str always wins. All the pure str does is wear out the snow shield. In the job videos they look good because there are many targets to choose that they are a good force to back up a pure str tanking.

[LockStar.]

he already said for 90 cap it will be awesome and that for 80 cap its not effective. and 'different ppl play differently. personally i find the all forces nuker to be really strong. if you dont want to believe it then dont but dont say for sure it wont work, till you check out 90 cap pvp vids where all nukers only use nukes and no weps.

Actually 90 cap ksro they used weapon skills. If your referring to the current ksro videos they are at cap 120. Which they have to use all three because they don't have the choice anymore. Moreover if you watch the ksro video of pvp between a nuker and a str character in 1 vs 1 the pure str always wins. All the pure str does is wear out the snow shield. In the job videos they look good because there are many targets to choose that they are a good force to back up a pure str tanking.

kSRO at cap 120? Lol.. they are at cap 100 at the moment.

Can someone show me a video of a Pure force nuker at 90 cap. A PvP video.

[RogueKiller]

he already said for 90 cap it will be awesome and that for 80 cap its not effective. and 'different ppl play differently. personally i find the all forces nuker to be really strong. if you dont want to believe it then dont but dont say for sure it wont work, till you check out 90 cap pvp vids where all nukers only use nukes and no weps.

Actually 90 cap ksro they used weapon skills. If your referring to the current ksro videos they are at cap 120. Which they have to use all three because they don't have the choice anymore. Moreover if you watch the ksro video of pvp between a nuker and a str character in 1 vs 1 the pure str always wins. All the pure str does is wear out the snow shield. In the job videos they look good because there are many targets to choose that they are a good force to back up a pure str tanking.

kSRO at cap 120? Lol.. they are at cap 100 at the moment.

Can someone show me a video of a Pure force nuker at 90 cap. A PvP video.

Why does everyone keep saying they are at cap 120 then?
90 cap pvp Click my under my sig. There are some pure force nukers there. Most of it is job warring though. I'll find some 1 vs 1 90 cap.

[Barotix]

he already said for 90 cap it will be awesome and that for 80 cap its not effective. and 'different ppl play differently. personally i find the all forces nuker to be really strong. if you dont want to believe it then dont but dont say for sure it wont work, till you check out 90 cap pvp vids where all nukers only use nukes and no weps.

Actually 90 cap ksro they used weapon skills. If your referring to the current ksro videos they are at cap 120. Which they have to use all three because they don't have the choice anymore. Moreover if you watch the ksro video of pvp between a nuker and a str character in 1 vs 1 the pure str always wins. All the pure str does is wear out the snow shield. In the job videos they look good because there are many targets to choose that they are a good force to back up a pure str tanking.

its 100 cap not 120. And they used weapons before getting level 90 skills, I covered that in my I think 2nd or 3rd paragraph. They dropped weapons once level 90 skills came, and if you look at 100 cap vids you'll notice pure int VS pure str goes just fine. I think it has something to do with the Ice tree, and at 100 cap you can still go Weapon/Light/Ice like they do at 80 cap. They still have options, but the predominant int build is light/fire/ice.

EDIT: 1v1? I only know of one 1v1 video involving ksro and it is 100 cap anything related to 90 cap is group orgy AFAIK. Personally, and imo the safest build would be weapon/light/ice, but it also has a lot to do with what you plan to do with your build. Maybe the koreans know something we don't

EDIT: 4 phases of the kSRO pure int nuker Nuker:
1]Level 90 + 60 skills = Weapon/Fire/Light
2]Level 90 + 80 skills = Weapon/Light/Ice
3]Level 90 + 90 Skills = Weapon/Light/Ice OR Fire/Light/Ice
4]Level 100 + 100 skills = Light/Fire/Ice

EDIT:EDIT: Adding Vids 1 at a time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfY67X_cJwA
^sun gear?

[LockStar.]

That glavier... How can the INT tank it without snow? Besides, it wears protector and has .... Hard Fire Protection?

I want to see more.

[Barotix]

That glavier... How can the INT tank it without snow? Besides, it wears protector and has .... Hard Fire Protection?

I want to see more.

The reason the glaiver died so easily is because of the potions. They stay at XL so it won't heal the glaivers HP quickly enough in 1v1 also the hp gets massive from 80 - 100. I'm still searching for more videos.

[LockStar.]

That glavier... How can the INT tank it without snow? Besides, it wears protector and has .... Hard Fire Protection?

I want to see more.

The reason the glaiver died so easily is because of the potions. They stay at XL so it won't heal the glaivers HP quickly enough in 1v1 also the hp gets massive from 80 - 100. I'm still searching for more videos.

True that. Oh the DPS<3. Oh the low hp of the Pure INT<3. Didn't think of the pots. But doesn't that mean that the higher the cap goes, the better it will be for Pure INTs?

I still reckon the glavier is really underfarmed or lower level, otherwise that INT couldn't tank it.

[Barotix]

That glavier... How can the INT tank it without snow? Besides, it wears protector and has .... Hard Fire Protection?

I want to see more.

The reason the glaiver died so easily is because of the potions. They stay at XL so it won't heal the glaivers HP quickly enough in 1v1 also the hp gets massive from 80 - 100. I'm still searching for more videos.

True that. Oh the DPS<3. Oh the low hp of the Pure INT<3. Didn't think of the pots. But doesn't that mean that the higher the cap goes, the better it will be for Pure INTs?

I still reckon the glavier is really underfarmed or lower level, otherwise that INT couldn't tank it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAX2dPSk ... re=related
First 30 seconds. The int dies even with snow-shield. Two back to back crits did the job. The pots are a big factor though, it might mean ints get better later on.

EDIT: its like all these people do is jobwar. jSRO, kSRO, cSRO ~ nothing but jobwar vids.

[LockStar.]

Its a shame the 2nd PvP with the INT never finished. That looked more like a proper glavier to me now. Seems like I will be making a bow next x)

[DarkJackal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAX2dPSk3ao&feature=related
First 30 seconds. The int dies even with snow-shield. Two back to back crits did the job. The pots are a big factor though, it might mean ints get better later on.

EDIT: its like all these people do is jobwar. jSRO, kSRO, cSRO ~ nothing but jobwar vids.

"pvp compilation" is all the video says, how do you know any stats either of them have? >.>, for all we know hes a few lvls lower.

But 17k and 19k? nuke that seems like it would be good for support, which is what Sacch was wanting this build good for.

[Mrs. Santa]

Either the snowshield owns or that guy was under farmed. 4k crits? wth.


I want to make a bow. ;P

[RogueKiller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfY67X_cJwA
^sun gear?

I dont think he is pure str. In this video he takes in less dmg than the 2nd glaiver video. However he dies much easier. The 2nd video he gets hit for 17k etc... Multiple times and yet he is still alive and going well.
The first vid he dies is 56k dmg total.
The 2nd vid he takes 84k dmg total and is still alive.

[Da_Realest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAX2dPSk ... re=related
First 30 seconds. The int dies even with snow-shield. Two back to back crits did the job. The pots are a big factor though, it might mean ints get better later on.

EDIT: its like all these people do is jobwar. jSRO, kSRO, cSRO ~ nothing but jobwar vids.

You know I make some of the kSRO vids. I don't think you would want to see never ending pot fights or 2min+ fights(they use vigors in 1v1).

First fight, glaive user used a vigor. Int died because he decided to switch to spear in the middle of the fight losing critical parry, block, and the extra def a shield gives. Second fight, again the glaive user was eating vigors.

[RogueKiller]

First fight, glaive user used a vigor. Int died because he decided to switch to spear in the middle of the fight losing critical parry, block, and the extra def a shield gives. Second fight, again the glaive user was eating vigors.

So you take videos on ksro?
So your the person that could answer this question the best. Are ksro pure force nukers any good? Are they just constantly stunned and when snow shield goes down, do they die? Why would the dmg output of a nuker change from 80 cap to 90 cap? Currently a nuker on a lvl 80 glaiver is around 8k. How does it jump to 18k?

[Barotix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAX2dPSk ... re=related
First 30 seconds. The int dies even with snow-shield. Two back to back crits did the job. The pots are a big factor though, it might mean ints get better later on.

EDIT: its like all these people do is jobwar. jSRO, kSRO, cSRO ~ nothing but jobwar vids.

You know I make some of the kSRO vids. I don't think you would want to see never ending pot fights or 2min+ fights(they use vigors in 1v1).

First fight, glaive user used a vigor. Int died because he decided to switch to spear in the middle of the fight losing critical parry, block, and the extra def a shield gives. Second fight, again the glaive user was eating vigors.

I should have payed closer attention . The "only job war" comment wasn't targeted at you. You're videos are pwnage, but when ever I search for 1v1 I usually get 30 - 40 second snap shots that aren't put together well. (I go to your vids for JobWar reference (^_^)Y) [Edit]At 20 seconds he switched to spear, I guess in my desperate rush to find a 1v1 vid on Ksro I overlooked the weapon switch from the int and focused on the glaive. Most likely in response to Lock because he wanted a decent glaiver. Hmm, interesting.[/Edit]

So my final conclusion was right The rise of the no weapon nuker.

Weak Potions + Shield + SnowShield + Vigors = Pot Wars = Fall of 1v1 = Rise of Group = Rise of No-Weapon Nuker.

(Blader is still my fav chi build >.> glaiver my second fav)

[dannoob]

alright sorry but ya forgot to mention the pot factor. but i still find the "nuclear launch pad" to be an awesome build. but i guess you guys are also right about the vigors and group pvp. i find that its something isro needs to adopt and do more group pvp on a regular basis, so much mroe fun.

[Da_Realest]

First fight, glaive user used a vigor. Int died because he decided to switch to spear in the middle of the fight losing critical parry, block, and the extra def a shield gives. Second fight, again the glaive user was eating vigors.

So you take videos on ksro?
So your the person that could answer this question the best. Are ksro pure force nukers any good? Are they just constantly stunned and when snow shield goes down, do they die? Why would the dmg output of a nuker change from 80 cap to 90 cap? Currently a nuker on a lvl 80 glaiver is around 8k. How does it jump to 18k?

Yea, I do. Its hard to say if they're any good or not. I know that they're lvl 100 but I don't how farmed their skills are. The only thing I can really do is look at their buffs. Average str user has 20% Snow shield. Average Int user has 18% for the force increase buff and around 53% snow shield with some having 60%. I'll check the other buffs next time I'm on.

When snow shield runs out they just use vigors until it comes back up. Fights usually never end until someone comes and interferes. If they weren't using vigors, I think the int builds would win more than they lose. Thats only against glavie users, though. Bow users usually wins against the int builds because of constant crits.

I think the damage changes so much because the difference between str and int stats becomes more apparent the higher level you become. Some 100 nukers can one shot lower level str users in the same degree as them for 45k(str users without snow shield). I also seen nukers one shot some level 100 warriors that didn't have no skins(hit for around 38k nuke) so its a bit confusing. Also note that all fire nukes' % increase in the next book.

Or maybe its some kind of correlation between the huge jump in hp? Strength users have around 35k-40k hp I believe, so nuking for about half their hp shouldn't be too unusual.

EDIT:

I should have payed closer attention . The "only job war" comment wasn't targeted at you. You're videos are pwnage, but when ever I search for 1v1 I usually get 30 - 40 second snap shots that aren't put together well. (I go to your vids for JobWar reference (^_^)Y) [Edit]At 20 seconds he switched to spear, I guess in my desperate rush to find a 1v1 vid on Ksro I overlooked the weapon switch from the int and focused on the glaive. Most likely in response to Lock because he wanted a decent glaiver. Hmm, interesting.[/Edit]

So my final conclusion was right The rise of the no weapon nuker.

Weak Potions + Shield + SnowShield + Vigors = Pot Wars = Fall of 1v1 = Rise of Group = Rise of No-Weapon Nuker.

(Blader is still my fav chi build >.> glaiver my second fav)

Yea, I try to stick to job wars unless its a Euro thats in a 1v1. 1v1 fights are usually boring and too long to make a video out of.

[Mai]

pure int spear sucks dont go it nomatter what unless you love pve

yes, i have alot of experience and i hated every moment of it thinking it would get better as i approached high level, and it didn't

pick whatever build u like tho i guess...but dont expect to be good with a pure int char in the approaching levels

[alcoholic]

pure int spear sucks dont go it nomatter what unless you love pve

yes, i have alot of experience and i hated every moment of it thinking it would get better as i approached high level, and it didn't

pick whatever build u like tho i guess...but dont expect to be good with a pure int char in the approaching levels

noob.....
i have a pure int spear lvl 80 and i survive well with snow sheild and do high damage with nukes and weapon skills.

No weapon skills suck.
Nuke does high damage but takes long to cast by the time they cast anther nuke i would already be full hp.
you have to time your nukes with weapon skills.

[LockStar.]

pure int spear sucks dont go it nomatter what unless you love pve

yes, i have alot of experience and i hated every moment of it thinking it would get better as i approached high level, and it didn't

pick whatever build u like tho i guess...but dont expect to be good with a pure int char in the approaching levels

noob.....
i have a pure int spear lvl 80 and i survive well with snow sheild and do high damage with nukes and weapon skills.

No weapon skills suck.
Nuke does high damage but takes long to cast by the time they cast anther nuke i would already be full hp.
you have to time your nukes with weapon skills.

Whoa whoa, chill the hell out. No need to call people noob, everyone has they own opinion.

@Mai: Can you tell me what makes you think Pure INT builds will suck with the comming cap raise? Atleast up to 100 I see Pure INTs getting better.. and now that Bartoix has made me realise what a huge FACTOR the fact that the pots will stay x-large and we won't get any better is... I think it only looks better for Pure INTs.

[RogueKiller]

pure int spear sucks dont go it nomatter what unless you love pve

yes, i have alot of experience and i hated every moment of it thinking it would get better as i approached high level, and it didn't

pick whatever build u like tho i guess...but dont expect to be good with a pure int char in the approaching levels

You didn't provide any proof to back up why pure Ints, all of them, no matter how theyre built will suck. You generalized the whole discussion by saying with no evidence behind any of it. Also Pure int spear is no where near "suck". They are currently one of the most used builds. Doesn't mean its the best however they are very good at pvp as well as pve. They need the snow shield to survive however it doesn't matter because its part of the game.