pk2 edit for rogues, a question.

[XMoshe]

Hmm, I would say that in fairness to all, if 1 kind of pk2 editting is banned, then all should be banned. All anyone is really doing is changing the way things are viewed in the game, and isn't actually any more of a cheat then changing the way a weapon looks. I can understand how someone should be banned for using a program to level them up, or how they might be banned for supporting said activities, but seriously, to change the way files are viewed by your computer, should not be a bannable offense.

Oh yeah, I only pk2 the way rogues/wizards look in stealth/invisibility so I can get them before they can get me..It's their Farking way to fight because they have lower hp/def omg..Use iron shield/fan storm and/or ice/fire wall if you are so afraid for them.

Pk2ing looks of weapons for fun =/= pk2ing the game to disable someone's skills =/

An edit is an edit, whether it is for fun or not. Botting is fun to botters, and SRF bans indiscriminately. Editing away the invisibility is probably fun for the editor. Fun is just a point of view and if someone is banned for trying to have fun editing the way something is shown on his/her computer, then everyone should be.

No they shouldnt, because the stealth pk2 removes the advantages someone has over the other, and that is bannable here on SRF (as far as pk2 edits go)

[Zero_Doom]

Oh yeah, I only pk2 the way rogues/wizards look in stealth/invisibility so I can get them before they can get me..It's their Farking way to fight because they have lower hp/def omg..Use iron shield/fan storm and/or ice/fire wall if you are so afraid for them.

Pk2ing looks of weapons for fun =/= pk2ing the game to disable someone's skills =/

An edit is an edit, whether it is for fun or not. Botting is fun to botters, and SRF bans indiscriminately. Editing away the invisibility is probably fun for the editor. Fun is just a point of view and if someone is banned for trying to have fun editing the way something is shown on his/her computer, then everyone should be.

No they shouldnt, because the stealth pk2 removes the advantages someone has over the other, and that is bannable here on SRF (as far as pk2 edits go)

I don't really care about this anymore then from a point of fairness. If someone is going to be banned for the way a file is viewed, then all should be banned for the way a file is viewed.

I don't personally do it, pk2 editing always bothered me. I have pure str characters, so when I play, I can handle someone coming out of stealth normally. I am not afraid of in game 'advantages' so I wouldn't edit them out. xP

One question about this 'advantage' to those who have done the edit, are you able to select the player that is stealthed? I can see that as being kinda lame, but otherwise it probably wouldn't be anymore advantageous then having a high speed internet connection and quick response time.

[Barotix]

An edit is an edit, whether it is for fun or not. Botting is fun to botters, and SRF bans indiscriminately. Editing away the invisibility is probably fun for the editor. Fun is just a point of view and if someone is banned for trying to have fun editing the way something is shown on his/her computer, then everyone should be.

.... You miss the point and the argument. Yes you can select and kill the player that is stealthed/invisible.
.... An Edit may be an Edit, but when the Line of Harmful Editing to full blown cheating is crossed it is obvious and deserves a punishment. Cheating is determined as going against the parameters set by the game's creator in order to gain an unwarranted advantage over others.

[Zero_Doom]

An edit is an edit, whether it is for fun or not. Botting is fun to botters, and SRF bans indiscriminately. Editing away the invisibility is probably fun for the editor. Fun is just a point of view and if someone is banned for trying to have fun editing the way something is shown on his/her computer, then everyone should be.

.... You miss the point and the argument. Yes you can select and kill the player that is stealthed/invisible.
.... An Edit may be an Edit, but when the Line of Harmful Editing to full blown cheating is crossed it is obvious and deserves a punishment. Cheating is determined as going against the parameters set by the game's creator in order to gain an unwarranted advantage over others.

You missed my point. I don't disagree that if there is an ability of selecting the character attained through the modification of pk2 files, that it warrants a ban. I was simply saying that if someone changes a file that simply allows them to see the other player, and nothing more, that they should be just as free do what they want with that as anyone with a skin mod.

[Barotix]

An edit is an edit, whether it is for fun or not. Botting is fun to botters, and SRF bans indiscriminately. Editing away the invisibility is probably fun for the editor. Fun is just a point of view and if someone is banned for trying to have fun editing the way something is shown on his/her computer, then everyone should be.

.... You miss the point and the argument. Yes you can select and kill the player that is stealthed/invisible.
.... An Edit may be an Edit, but when the Line of Harmful Editing to full blown cheating is crossed it is obvious and deserves a punishment. Cheating is determined as going against the parameters set by the game's creator in order to gain an unwarranted advantage over others.

You missed my point. I don't disagree that if there is an ability of selecting the character attained through the modification of pk2 files, that it warrants a ban. I was simply saying that if someone changes a file that simply allows them to see the other player, and nothing more, that they should be just as free do what they want with that as anyone with a skin mod.

That scenario discounts the ability to click and kill the stealthed/invisible player.

EDIT: @Phix, you indeed understood correctly.

[Phix]

That scenario discounts the ability to click and kill the stealthed/invisible player.

Yeah so it does bother him that they person in Question (character) is clickable, If it wasent and you could only see him till he came out of Invis/Stealth it wouldn't bother him...


if i understood correctly

[Zero_Doom]

That scenario discounts the ability to click and kill the stealthed/invisible player.

Yeah so it does bother him that they person in Question (character) is clickable, If it wasent and you could only see him till he came out of Invis/Stealth it wouldn't bother him...


if i understood correctly

That is correct, but I don't quite understand what Barotix is talking about, lol. What scenario? I don't even know what we are arguing about anymore, haha.

[William-CL]

An edit is an edit, whether it is for fun or not. Botting is fun to botters, and SRF bans indiscriminately. Editing away the invisibility is probably fun for the editor. Fun is just a point of view and if someone is banned for trying to have fun editing the way something is shown on his/her computer, then everyone should be.

No they shouldnt, because the stealth pk2 removes the advantages someone has over the other, and that is bannable here on SRF (as far as pk2 edits go)

I don't really care about this anymore then from a point of fairness. If someone is going to be banned for the way a file is viewed, then all should be banned for the way a file is viewed.

I don't personally do it, pk2 editing always bothered me. I have pure str characters, so when I play, I can handle someone coming out of stealth normally. I am not afraid of in game 'advantages' so I wouldn't edit them out. xP

One question about this 'advantage' to those who have done the edit, are you able to select the player that is stealthed? I can see that as being kinda lame, but otherwise it probably wouldn't be anymore advantageous then having a high speed internet connection and quick response time.

Are you angry because your not good at pk2editing? I've noticed a lot of ppl that complain about it being unfair, are the ones that can't do it. Simply put, JM decides what lines are to be crossed for ban. They put in place, blockers that make some pk2 edits that get around stealth/invis so they can't be done. They don't prevent fun like changing Mobs around so you don't get bored with current mobs. Adding sun glow, and making your own. If it gives an unfair advantage to other players ingame, then it shouldn't be allowed. The mods here have decided that stealth/invis isn't acceptable because it warrants unfair play to unsuspecting players. The whole point of being a rogue goes out the window if you use it, but if you change your glow on wep or change degree, it doesn't add any advantages, nor disadvatages. Stealth edit add disadvatage. Any edit that disadvatages another shouldn't be allowed. But people can still have a lot of fun with it. So it should be allowed, but certain ones should not as most agree here. It was introduced for fun, and should remain as so. And botting violates tos with 3rd party software Juss so ya know. If you support that, then you don't belong here nor anyone else that does.

[Derick]

Lmao, all those who say that invis/stealth isn't cheap, that's bull. Let's see, first of all, not all chinese chars use fire for their build, obviously. Next, those who can and have stealth/invis detect can still die anyway. Cause all these detection things have only a range of 10m.... and how far is the range of a wizz? of a xbow? much further than 10m, so, like all of you know, they wizz has a 99% 1 hit kill rate, and xbow can do lots of shit with their knockdown/knocback/knockdown, that sometimes u can't even get up. So yea, while there IS detect, it's completely useless. And then for fire wall.. like i said, not everyone has fire. And lots of times, people don't have both fire and ice wall, thus leaving you open for the other "hide" build. And what if you use ice wall to try to protect from a rogue, but then an invisible wizz is there... what then? You're dead, and vice versa. And even if it does protect you, if you're not a build with a ranged attack you still need to move to kill xbow and wizz, and most likely, by that time, they would've attacked again and you're dead anyway. Even daggers, they attack so quickly and can mostly take down an ice wall with 1 or 2 hits, and continue comboing afterwards, that you wouldn't even know what hit you. Look at the amount of tickets wizzes usually get after a CTF event, they usually have more than everyone else. Not to mention their AOE attacks that can kill MULTIPLE in 1 hit. I mean, it's not like we can kill 1 wizz multiple times with 1 attack right? And no dip all you euro is gonna be like "OMG we need these skills to live, it's not cheap, bla bla bla" cause obviously you use it, but in all fairness and if you look at it with even a neutral view, it's cheap and unfair, plain and simple. And 1 more thing, what are you gonna do with a wizz with screen on it? Hmmm? Basically unstoppable, they can't die for 45 seconds and they have no penalty to their attack damage and so they kill without being able to be killed. Unfair? Yes. Unfun? Yes

[PR0METHEUS]

Hmm, I would say that in fairness to all, if 1 kind of pk2 editting is banned, then all should be banned. All anyone is really doing is changing the way things are viewed in the game, and isn't actually any more of a cheat then changing the way a weapon looks. I can understand how someone should be banned for using a program to level them up, or how they might be banned for supporting said activities, but seriously, to change the way files are viewed by your computer, should not be a bannable offense.

Oh yeah, I only pk2 the way rogues/wizards look in stealth/invisibility so I can get them before they can get me..It's their Farking way to fight because they have lower hp/def omg..Use iron shield/fan storm and/or ice/fire wall if you are so afraid for them.

Pk2ing looks of weapons for fun =/= pk2ing the game to disable someone's skills =/

An edit is an edit, whether it is for fun or not. Botting is fun to botters, and SRF bans indiscriminately. Editing away the invisibility is probably fun for the editor. Fun is just a point of view and if someone is banned for trying to have fun editing the way something is shown on his/her computer, then everyone should be.

I personally don't like any kind of pk2 editing. However, you can't say that all edits are the same. Botters aren't just banned because they're trying to have fun. They are banned because their botting is having a poor effect on others in the game.

PK2 edits to make your 5D blade look like a 9D blade have no effect on anyone else in the game, so a ban isn't really as necessary. PK2 editing to remove other players skills IS something that affects those other players in a negative way. So of course that should be punishable with a ban.

Sure, have fun, but not at the expense of other players, especially when that "fun" involves modifying the SRO client outside of the functions that Joymax provides.

[PuffZMagicDragon!]

@OP

"Tt's cheating only if you get caught."

necro much, you ghuize?

[penfold1992]

PK2 EDITING SHOULD NOT BE BANNED!

i learn a hell off a lot from pk2 editing from how games work to hex coding to meshes and all sorts.

if sum1 wants to pk2 there files, so what! obv a lot of people want to bot so they are botting.

i kno it is bad and trust me i hate pk2 invisi and bots, but tough sh1t jm wont do anything about it

[Mango]

Nice work Derick, way to ress a thread from April!
Oh and removing invisible is just for stupid players to be able to kill defensively weak euros. "Waa waa waa I'm too dumb to use walls or phantom, I'll just cheat so I can kill them every time", and yes nearly all chinese have both walls because str builds have 30 ice for snowshield and ints have 30 fire for immunity and all chinese have ranged skills. How's this for a comparison, if there was a hack to cancel people's snowshields would it be fair? Of course it wouldn't be, but it wouldn't be a whole lot different from the pk2. It would still be removing the main form of protection from a defensively weak build.

[Ash]

last night i was playing in CTF . i had a decent team (we could win easily) . after my team killed the mops . we headed for the other team room . so raped them & killed the rest of their mops too . so we have like 15 minutes left to win the CTF match .

all of a sudden "opponent has captured the flag you need to return it back" so we searched for the member who had it but we can't find any . we looked at their pole but the flag isn't their . in about minute or so "flag has been dropped" after 1 second "opponent has captured the flag you need to return it back" .

this went on for the rest of the match till it ended with a draw .

YEAH GUESS WHAT it was a wizard who used invisibility to hide the flag & he kept on moving so we couldn't detect him .
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last night was the straw that broke the camel's back . & i'm looking for a pk2 "CHEAT" atm .

I'm done with all the turks that go invisible in pvp 1 shot then back to safe zone .

i'm done with the thieves that go invisible with their transports .

most of the wizards/rogues are jerks EXCEPT a very very few who play fair game & don't abuse every little bug in this game .

[BloodyBlade]

there is like a million ways to see stealth/invis + dumb people who leave there monkeys on. why cheat when there are tons of legit options.

if ur that peranoid, stand around with an icewall or firewall up. that will soak up there 1st hit.

Meh, rogue will hit with his knockback skill, then with knockdown skill(if kd another kb skill) and if you still stand up they will 1hit you.

[thejese]

I hate that pk2 because im wizard =(

[Mousetrap]

last night i was playing in CTF . i had a decent team (we could win easily) . after my team killed the mops . we headed for the other team room . so raped them & killed the rest of their mops too . so we have like 15 minutes left to win the CTF match .

all of a sudden "opponent has captured the flag you need to return it back" so we searched for the member who had it but we can't find any . we looked at their pole but the flag isn't their . in about minute or so "flag has been dropped" after 1 second "opponent has captured the flag you need to return it back" .

this went on for the rest of the match till it ended with a draw .

YEAH GUESS WHAT it was a wizard who used invisibility to hide the flag & he kept on moving so we couldn't detect him .
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last night was the straw that broke the camel's back . & i'm looking for a pk2 "CHEAT" atm .

I'm done with all the turks that go invisible in pvp 1 shot then back to safe zone .

i'm done with the thieves that go invisible with their transports .

most of the wizards/rogues are jerks EXCEPT a very very few who play fair game & don't abuse every little bug in this game .

Although I personally think the flag shouldn't be able to turn invisible with them, pk2 is not the answer.
But the goddamn potions from the NPC to detect him.
When the flag is dropped, it stands on the ground for a whole 2 seconds, use the detect potion and phantom to the spot - then he's dead.
Apart from that most high level teams don't attach the flag to the pole until the last 20 seconds or so, a cleric usually holds onto it and tanks all the hits.

[mmhm3]

last night i was playing in CTF . i had a decent team (we could win easily) . after my team killed the mops . we headed for the other team room . so raped them & killed the rest of their mops too . so we have like 15 minutes left to win the CTF match .

all of a sudden "opponent has captured the flag you need to return it back" so we searched for the member who had it but we can't find any . we looked at their pole but the flag isn't their . in about minute or so "flag has been dropped" after 1 second "opponent has captured the flag you need to return it back" .

this went on for the rest of the match till it ended with a draw .

YEAH GUESS WHAT it was a wizard who used invisibility to hide the flag & he kept on moving so we couldn't detect him .
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last night was the straw that broke the camel's back . & i'm looking for a pk2 "CHEAT" atm .

I'm done with all the turks that go invisible in pvp 1 shot then back to safe zone .

i'm done with the thieves that go invisible with their transports .

most of the wizards/rogues are jerks EXCEPT a very very few who play fair game & don't abuse every little bug in this game .

u know thats bannable in srf right?its a part of their skill just like how a chinese has lightning, they could take the flag and just grasswalk/teleport the whole time.

[Millenium]

Thread cleaned. Jay has been banned for 7 days for admitting to PK2 edits that bring unfair advantage to the game play.

Milly

[Shadowfox542]

Its not your job to decide whats fair and whats not. At the moment, there are a lot of "bugs" that benefit stealth. These obviously need to be fixed, but not by taking away one of the key skills of a rouge. JM needs to make stealth data server sided, and make it so that you can't turn your transport invis, as well as no invis+flag in ctf. People who use pk2 are cheaters, and devalue other peoples chars. Knock it off.

[PR0METHEUS]

Its not your job to decide whats fair and whats not.

It's not whose job? It IS the Mod Team's job here in SRF to decide what's fair and not fair as far as what penalties are appropriate in the forum. Cheat in game, ban from SRF. Otherwise, people would be running around cheating, scamming, ripping others off, etc, etc, with no reprecussions in these forums.

JM needs to make stealth data server sided, and make it so that you can't turn your transport invis, as well as no invis+flag in ctf.

There's nothing wrong with a rogue being able to turn their transport invisible. That's the beauty of being a thief. Thieves SHOULD work in stealth. They should do anything they can to remain anonymous and cover their tracks. The best thieves are the ones you don't even know about (other than the fact that you're laying on your back dead and your loot is gone).

So what if rogues and wizards hide the flag in CTF. You should have at least one person on your team guarding your flag. If the flag suddenly disappears, use pills to detect stealth. Not that hard. The wizard has to go through the door. Wait there with invis/stealth detection pills.

If you're trading and a thief comes by invisible, and you suddenly die, your hunter should use pills or skills to reveal the thief. If you don't have a hunter, or can't find the thief, he wins. There should be nothing wrong with that. He did his job. You (or your hunter) didn't do yours, or you did but were not effective.

[penfold1992]

People who use pk2 are cheaters, and devalue other peoples chars. Knock it off.

i use pk2 edit but that doesnt make me a cheater does it? i prefure editing skills some highr some lower for fun.

i dont edit stealth/invis tho. imo thats cheating. jm hasnt made this game unfair. im use everything will work out in the end

imo pk2 editing is ok until you change things that jm obv dnt want you to see or do
stealth thief suits ect.