pure int S/S Nuker without bicheon.

[Corbie]

i am gonna make s/s nuker without bicheon mastery

gonna do 90light/90ice/90fire =] and dunno about the 30 havent decided yet lol

i dont think the bicheon skills gonna be useful for me because i am gonna do like what ? 1% of the damage that i can do with a light or fire nuke..it might not be the best option in 90cap but in 100 its a deffo yes =]

what are you opinions ?

[deep.in]

My opinion is - you gonna suck in pvp

[RogueKiller]

My opinion is - you gonna suck in pvp

+1
When all you have is nukes your weak.
A nuke is meant to be a well timed GSM.
Your opponent wouldn't need much to kill you. A blader (80) could keep knocking you down until your snow shield ran out and then make it an easy kill. A glaiver (80) could constantly stun you till your snow shield runs out and then instant kill. A bow could just run around and keep knocking you back when you try to nuke and wait out your snow shield and your an easy 3 hit kill without crits.
You don't have anything to stop your opponent from attacking you but they can prevent you from doing any damage whatsoever. Pure Force nukers are only good with sos,som,sosun. However at 80 you need to have SOM and Sosun. Even with that you do a lot of dmg but your opponent can still kill you easily. At 80 you would need full Sun gear to not have much dmg intake without snow shield but good dmg output.

[Corbie]

hmm..apart from that it should be alrite i guess ? :]

didn't play PvP much anyway lol..

and what the bicheon would do ? just KD and run away ? i guess =D

[RogueKiller]

and what the bicheon would do ? just KD and run away ? i guess =D

Knockdown, then nuke. Knockdown isn't for running in most cases.
Apart from that you also have the lvl 74 chain which increases the dmg done by your nukes.

[phulshof]

For 1vs1 pvp it may not be great, but for jobwars and other groupfights I think this is a very feasible build. It should also work well for grinding, giving you plenty of attack spells to choose from. Basically a weaker mage with better chances of survival.

[alcoholic]

For 1vs1 pvp it may not be great, but for jobwars and other groupfights I think this is a very feasible build. It should also work well for grinding, giving you plenty of attack spells to choose from. Basically a weaker mage with better chances of survival.

for jobwars and group fight is not that good either
if your teamed with a player that has bicheon skills you wont cast much nukes
casue of there constant kds thats why i hate teaming with players with bicheon but i made a dual build

[Corbie]

hmm.. okie.. this got a bit confusing now

can any1 tell me EXACTLY why i shouldnt make pure imbues build ? lol

[RogueKiller]

hmm.. okie.. this got a bit confusing now

can any1 tell me EXACTLY why i shouldnt make pure imbues build ? lol

Exactly: Its weak as hell.
Reasons are all stated above.

[Corbie]

It's not weak as hell.. might be only in PvP

well ok.. if its weak in everywhere should i got for 90light/ice/bicheon and 30fire ?

[nohunta]

Wrong its not weak.

You have Snow Shield and Ice Wall. You Also Have the FIRE NUKES!!

Thats basically the best you can get as a nuker.(Offensivly) Maybe use a spear when you can one hit mobs.

[GatoradeR]

I was just thinking of this build earlier....

Anyway, I don't really see why it would be a bad build.You get alot of parry, along with ice guards.With fire, you get a little debuff resistance, and the ability to detect invisibles without shelling out for pills.You'll also get the fire imbue, and fire nukes.

You could also use ice, and fire walls as defense.This build seems to be good in pvp vs Euros in general.

They seem great in theory, but thats about all I can go on.I don't really know too much about the game. A 90bich/90ice/90light sounds like a great build, but wouldn't you be much more vulnerable to status effects like frostbite, or worse, freeze (alongside euro debuffs xD)?

Knockdown, then nuke. Knockdown isn't for running in most cases.

Do you mean knockdown and nuke them while they're down (if possible xD) or knockdown dash back and nuke once they get up? If thats the case, shouldn't 30 bicheon suffice?

[RogueKiller]

Knockdown, then nuke. Knockdown isn't for running in most cases.

Do you mean knockdown and nuke them while they're down (if possible xD) or knockdown dash back and nuke once they get up? If thats the case, shouldn't 30 bicheon suffice?

After knocking someone down and the opponent getting up, they can't attack back for a few seconds. Thats when you nuke, when you can't be hit. 30 bicheon does not suffice, the kd probability is extremely low and you lack the lvl 74 combo.

Wrong its not weak.

You have Snow Shield and Ice Wall. You Also Have the FIRE NUKES!!

Thats basically the best you can get as a nuker.(Offensivly) Maybe use a spear when you can one hit mobs.

It is weak. When all you have is nukes you can never get a hit off other than the 1st nuke in the match. After that they will constantly do something to stop nukes and you are left defenseless because you have nothing to stop them with. Plus, physical dmg comes at a faster rate and is almost as much dmg as nukes, especially as a spear nuker. Even more a crit does more dmg than a nuke.

[antics]

ull lose ever pvp
knock down can save ur life

[William-CL]

Better have 20 br. I have an Hybrid INT spear nuker with no wep mastery and ppl always said it would be bad, but it was far from it.

[Arinaki]

you would be dealing hella dmg but, only with NUKEZ.

[William-CL]

you would be dealing hella dmg but, only with NUKEZ.

Didn't he state he would ONLY have nukes?

[Corbie]

hmmm.. kk then..gonna do 90bicheon/90light/90ice and 30fire =]

[Airdack]

Just do what you think is most fun ... having light fire and cold sure is a fun build, and like my sig says this game doesnt revolve around 1on1 pvp ... i never 1on1 pvp so who cares if you are good 1on1, and in a group fight your nukes are a lot more useful then a KD since no-one will be able to attack someone who lies on the ground -.-

[CLOT]

Just do what you think is most fun ... having light fire and cold sure is a fun build, and like my sig says this game doesnt revolve around 1on1 pvp ... i never 1on1 pvp so who cares if you are good 1on1, and in a group fight your nukes are a lot more useful then a KD since no-one will be able to attack someone who lies on the ground -.-

agreed, 1v1 is the most fair pvp...no outside buffs, nothing
but the game has more aspects, jobwar, FW, GW where there are no rules and no such thing called fairness,juz ganks and teamwork

non weapon pure nuker wouldnt do badly, juz make sure that u hv some 1 tanking the enemy while u nuke behind, fire nuke with piercing force = strongest chinese attack

its basically like a wizard, but much better survivability wif 53% snowshield and ghost walk....make sure u DO NOT 1v1 with weapon users (ie. bich, spear, bow, warrior, rogue) and tank there like a pure str, u will be disabled 4ever and never get a chance to nuke

RUN and HIT and kill, thats pure nuker's style

[darthsithius]

I am using this build Pure force. as lvl 63 vs full int or str on olympus I have not lost from lvl 60+ My fire is 63 light 63 cold 63. I just switched to garments the speed is godly , btw I am full int nuker.My gear is not so good but I need what I have to survive the caves.

[Tasdik]

you said you were going to go 90light/90fire/90ice and didn't know what to do with the other 30....well what about putting the 30 into bicheon?

[Da_Realest]

Be aware that at 90 cap, there will be no new pots. Meaning, Chinese chars won't be the potting machines they are now. 2 mins is all you need to survive in 1v1. Bladers will be a challenge for you, but glaive users and bow users shouldn't be too hard.

However, group PvP and PvE is really where this build excels.

[GatoradeR]

It's good to see positive info on this build

make sure u DO NOT 1v1 with weapon users (ie. bich, spear, bow, warrior, rogue) and tank there like a pure str, u will be disabled 4ever and never get a chance to nuke

Wouldn't that be a good time to utilize ice, or fire walls? If they run away (assuming they need to) then its just a kill they won't be getting

[GatoradeR]

Don't mean to topic jack (technically, im not xD) but how about the force in fires place? In other words, which would be more beneficial, the force, or fire?

[RogueKiller]

Don't mean to topic jack (technically, im not xD) but how about the force in fires place? In other words, which would be more beneficial, the force, or fire?

Force can be great but a pure int will still need an imbue.

[CLOT]

Don't mean to topic jack (technically, im not xD) but how about the force in fires place? In other words, which would be more beneficial, the force, or fire?

90force 90light 90ice 30fire then
its the best build in 1v1 pvp(in fact any chinese builds with force is)...but not in group fights

[GatoradeR]

Ok, so basically 90 force would be better in 1v1, wheras fire would be better in group pvp... hmm

Anyone care to elaborate? There has to be a way to get a nuker to really work strongly in your favor without the use of a weapon mastery.

[DarkJackal]

I was wanting to know about this build too, but with spear, other then 1on1 this seems like a good build, nukes do more dmg so in support/grinding, the more dmg youd do would be good right?

[Sacchin]

Don't mean to topic jack (technically, im not xD) but how about the force in fires place? In other words, which would be more beneficial, the force, or fire?

Force can be great but a pure int will still need an imbue.

This whole topic is actually about my character and this is also an issue we're trying to figure out. Since fire makes nukes stronger (right?) Does that mean it doesn't aoe transfer like lightning? I have max lighting embue only because I thought it was the strongest. But no fire embue. I wanna hurt monsters in aoe, will fire embue stop aoe completely? Only thing I could think of was having both fire and lightning embue =S Sorry, this is even confusing to me.