Can 1H-Cleric kill a STR user in reasonable time ?

[MysticRose]

So, i've farmed some hundred k SP, and leveled myself up to 60 without adding any secondary mastery tree. I've added in the 1H tree, and here's my situation:

1. I hate the look of the 2H, so yes, i dont want to go 2H-Cleric or 1H-2H-Cleric ( sorry to any 2H users around here )
2. I would prefer to go Cleric than warlock, as warlock skill does not look as beautiful to me ( yes, i'm all about look, nice look > super pwnage )

On the other hand, i'm afraid that the 1H-Cle may not be able to kill that much ( as opposed to a 1H-Warl or 2H-Cle ) so i'm asking you guys's opinions. Does a 1H-Cle have a reasonable killing power, as i dont want to have pot fights againsts Chinese STR users.

Also, in your opinion, how "good" is a 1H-Cle, compared to a 1H-Warl. Anything above 70% will do for me. I dont want to start a suck char either

One more question: How much damage can Daring Berseker with a decent +5 1H sword do to a normal non-debuffed Chinese STR char in a normal gear ( like garment/prot +3+4, mostly blues ) ? I've calculated it should be around 7-9k w/o crits, but i'm asking just to be sure

Thanks you guys in advance.

[Dancin]

since when clerics have 2H rods?

[MysticRose]

since when clerics have 2H rods?

Could you please enlighten me as to where in the previous post have i indicate the existance of a 2-Handed Cleric Rod ?

[SuperTanker]

Well 1h warrior/warlock is killing build. 1h warrior/cleric is tanking build.
So if u go Warrior/Cleric, than u are like a Blader with pot delay and no debuffs (imponent, bleed, etc).

1h warrior/warlock will have more killing power (watch Vapore's videos), but they will die faster =/.

Dont know about the last question.

[MysticRose]

Well 1h warrior/warlock is killing build. 1h warrior/cleric is tanking build.
So if u go Warrior/Cleric, than u are like a Blader with pot delay and no debuffs (imponent, bleed, etc).
Dont know about the last question.

Yeah, but 1H-Cle 've got the skins and bless spell to go with it, so they can tank godlike in 90 secs. So i think it's fair that they're nearly that good as a tanker as a blader.

Actually i'm a bit more concerned about group fights. In 1v1, it's undoutable that 1H-Warlock are deadly, but in mass war, debuffing is impossible IMO. Maybe the added defence from Bless Spell and Recov Div can be better ?

[StealMySoda]

since when clerics have 2H rods?

Could you please enlighten me as to where in the previous post have i indicate the existance of a 2-Handed Cleric Rod ?

i dont want to go 2H-Cleric or 1H-2H-Cleric ( sorry to any 2H users around here )

[XMoshe]

since when clerics have 2H rods?

Could you please enlighten me as to where in the previous post have i indicate the existance of a 2-Handed Cleric Rod ?

i dont want to go 2H-Cleric or 1H-2H-Cleric ( sorry to any 2H users around here )

He meant 2hand with sub cleric or 1hand, 2hand and sub cleric.

You do know that the difference between the rods are hardly noticable if you are a bit zoomed out.

Like someone said..1hand/cleric for tank and 1hand/warlock for attack ^_^

To answer your question..1hand can kill, but not really fast. (It's idd like a blader, they have also a bit of a hard time to kill )

[CLOT]

One more question: How much damage can Daring Berseker with a decent +5 1H sword do to a normal non-debuffed Chinese STR char in a normal gear ( like garment/prot +3+4, mostly blues ) ? I've calculated it should be around 7-9k w/o crits, but i'm asking just to be sure

nt sure abt 1h, but 7-9k w/o crit seems too much, pure str @ 80 cap wif full hp blue has ard only 20k-22k hp
80 2h wif +5 sword does that dmg on me (80 blader +5 full blue garms), am sure 1h will do abit less than that dmg

btw 80 full farmed blader wins 80 full farmed 2h/cleric
25-30% snow shield + fast cd ironwall > 90sec bless + skin
once both ran out of all these protection skills, status on 2h = dead

[piootr]

IT honestly, would hardly ever be able to kill. 1h swords are pure tanks, best tanks in the game, they dont kill UNLESS they have some assistance. You say group pvp? your sub wont matter. If you ever switch weapons during a FW or, whatever, your buffs are gone from your party and boom, their dead. 1h cleric.......best tank in the game, prolly has even less killing power than bladers though.

[MysticRose]

btw 80 full farmed blader wins 80 full farmed 2h/cleric
25-30% snow shield + fast cd ironwall > 90sec bless + skin
once both ran out of all these protection skills, status on 2h = dead

If the Warrior has got a Holy Spell / Word on ( which he should ) then Status on him is impossble, i suppose ? Even though i do agree with you on the fact that when both protection skills wears off, the warrior is considerably more vulnerable than a blader. But, on the other hand, after 30 more secs they will have protection skill again cooldowned, and it may not be very hard to survive 30 secs

IT honestly, would hardly ever be able to kill. 1h swords are pure tanks, best tanks in the game, they dont kill UNLESS they have some assistance. You say group pvp? your sub wont matter. If you ever switch weapons during a FW or, whatever, your buffs are gone from your party and boom, their dead. 1h cleric.......best tank in the game, prolly has even less killing power than bladers though.

That's sad to hear
I used to think the combination of Dull + KD + Double Stab + Cunning Stab should do some decent damage, but it seems i've got to test further

The main reason i want to go 1H-Cle is that my girlfriend have a capped Spear Nuker ( 3 force tables maxed, no weapon skills ), and i want to buff her a bit with my cleric buffs, and at the same time warrior buff, maybe Res her when she's down. But at the same time, i want to dish out some damage as well ( man's pride, you know. Cant let woman do all the killings ) If indeed, the 1H-Cle's damage is too horrible, then maybe i could go 1H-warlock for some 1v1 powerhouse, but that's remains to be seen.

Anyone having more contributions would be really welcome

[XMoshe]

Nice that you want to help your gf. But realize that only defense buffs will stay after switching weapons. str/int will go away. (holy word/spell and bless stays too). But if you bless and heal her, it will be hard for her to die lolz ^_^ (plus the point you can res her at lvl 60 already (if she is lvl 80))

[PileOfMush]

PM Fug_Dup or search for some of his posts if you want some good info on the virtues of a Warrior/Warlock. He has a log of info about Cleric sub vs Warlock sub and can probably answer a lot of your questions.

[gongjaied]

u might be able to kill bowers and some glaivers with mediocre gear...but lose to full farmed 2h and glaivers with full blues due to their killer combos.

but if you're not hungry for pvp power...this build is very good for group fights

[MysticRose]

u might be able to kill bowers and some glaivers with mediocre gear...but lose to full farmed 2h and glaivers with full blues due to their killer combos.

1H-Cle may lose to Glaviers since they've got loads of crits and knockbacks, as well as good damage and HP, but 1H-Cle losing to 2H is not something i would agree with. 1H've got extra defence from shield, passive, ANTI-CRITS, MORE ANTI-CRITS on shield. And as far as i know, 2H is all about nice damage from crits. Also 2H have got very high delay skills, so a smart 1H could cancel his skills with shield trash no problem. Am i wrong somehow ?

On the other hand, facing blades and glaviers could be a hell lot of headache, unlike warrior-locks.

[VforVendetta]

u might be able to kill bowers and some glaivers with mediocre gear...but lose to full farmed 2h and glaivers with full blues due to their killer combos.

1H-Cle may lose to Glaviers since they've got loads of crits and knockbacks, as well as good damage and HP, but 1H-Cle losing to 2H is not something i would agree with. 1H've got extra defence from shield, passive, ANTI-CRITS, MORE ANTI-CRITS on shield. And as far as i know, 2H is all about nice damage from crits. Also 2H have got very high delay skills, so a smart 1H could cancel his skills with shield trash no problem. Am i wrong somehow ?

On the other hand, facing blades and glaviers could be a hell lot of headache, unlike warrior-locks.

Not wrong, 2H Swords are highly delayed in their skills, and a smart 1H Swordsman will save his attacks that Stun or Knockback to just when someone is in mid animation of an attack, cancelling it and saving yourself from danger. However a Warlock is not just about 1vs1 fights or else it would not have area debuffs, stuns and slumbers, a Warrior Warlock is only as good as you are fast witted in a battle, you can come out on top even when ganged if your fast, know who to take out first, who to keep immobilized, 1H Sword clerics however can find it very hard to kill anything, sure a Dull + Cunning Stab will do nice damage, but its a chain and a Chinese and even a European will pot that up and be fine afterwards.

Fact is your not covering your weakness with your sub-class, your strengthening what your already good at, and yet gimping yourself at the same time, because Cleric requires magical attack to be of any use when it comes to healing others. Meaning you have a fine choice, either go on the offensive with your 1H Sword, making your Recovery Division and or heals weaker, and you being unable to kill that person, or being purely defensive staying with a Cleric rod still not being able to kill anything. There might be a way around this, but the only one I can think of is combing all 3 Warrior weapons to kill someone, and that can be daunting and tideous.

[gongjaied]

1H-Cle may lose to Glaviers since they've got loads of crits and knockbacks, as well as good damage and HP, but 1H-Cle losing to 2H is not something i would agree with. 1H've got extra defence from shield, passive, ANTI-CRITS, MORE ANTI-CRITS on shield. And as far as i know, 2H is all about nice damage from crits. Also 2H have got very high delay skills, so a smart 1H could cancel his skills with shield trash no problem. Am i wrong somehow ?

well 2h has damage return as well as knockdowns to keep you off tempo as well, 1h's damage will never be enough to kill the 2h since he has heals on top of his interrupts. 1 daredevil (crit in between) + 1 kd combo might be gg for the 1h - and yes you do have shield crush but it's impossible to kb 100% of the time.

[_Scarlett_]

2h was meant to deal dmg, while 1h was meant to take dmg. Can both kill each other? Of course they can, just takes more than mere button mashing to do so.

From personal exp. my str vs str fights have been the most fun...pot fights for sure, but usually I came out on top when it came to surviving. I might not be doing the same amount of dmg as others but I was the one taking the least dmg. I remember a fight between my 1h/cleric and a 2h/unknown sub; the 2h's dmg on me wasn't all that much, and it ended up being somewhat of a pot war. The 2h used a few vigors. I would use KB when I saw an attempted KD coming, kept me alive. After about 5 mins of having no result, we got nuked from a wizard...lame I know, but there's a point: 1h/cleric's dmg might not be overwhelming enough to just right out lay someone out, but you do have the superior tanking power (also, your dmg might be lesser than a 2h's, but your attacks are a lot faster). Play your build smartly, you can come out on top of any pvp situation.

You can kill, but don't be expecting the fight to be quick. The most difficult for you would be any str build (str vs str is always a pot fight regardless, without regards to SoX weapons and gears). Yes, shield crush won't knock back 100% of the time, but the skill has an 80% knock back chance...that's a pretty good enough chance to kb a lot.

With Cleric as a sub, especially with 1h, you're mainly just going to be a meat tank.