Bring Them Back

[dom]

It's interesting to see people whining and complaining about SRF's war on bots. Back when there was no war, people complained about the closet botters. They complained that everyone KNEW they botted, yet they were allowed to stay here despite the fact. Now that people are being banned, you complain because they were "Elite".

You forgot how when it started people were complaining regular users, favorite users, and mods were protected.

Then luoma, 1211, deacon, and sylhana got banned.

[PR0METHEUS]

But you cant ban Red names?

I would assume the red names could be banned. They'd have to be able to ban them. Otherwise SuicideGrl (for example) could cause all sorts of trouble here and no one could do anything about it. At least other forums seem to provide that ability where I've seen the admin control panels.

You forgot how when it started people were complaining regular users, favorite users, and mods were protected.

Then luoma, 1211, deacon, and sylhana got banned.

You're right, I don't remember those types of people being protected. I remember there being extra investigations and things with suspected mods, but not necessarily protection.

[DopeX]

Glad to see people Arguing with me. First off i didn't mean "Elite" has in the title you get after so many posts(i can name plenty of 1k+ poster that are complete dumbass's), but elite for their knowledge (Not just the mods) Yes there were people who knew a lot and didn't bot. I'm not arguing that, When i joined SRF it was to gain info about the game, i couldn't careless if you botted or not(All these people who were banned i never recall them announce or promoting botting.) I came here to gain Knowledge about the game or when i had questions. Most of the time i got really good answers from experienced people such as Shyl etc. A lot of the botters are experts in the game and like other once legits, the chose instead of quiting to bot. Thats there choice, but banning them on this forum would in no way AFFECT them in SRO. If anything it affects the other users of this forum, getting dumbass poster's, posting non-sense. Why wage war on something that you can't control? You have a "War on bots" Yet they don't stop botting just posting at this forum. How is that a war?

Flame on. My Point is this, Werther or not these people have botted. Banning them did nothing but hurt the community. These people have never done anything wrong with in this community, to be banned.

Really the only thing thats left worth reading on the forum is the Off-Topic lounge, everything in GD is complete Bullshit threads and replies.

[Zing]

DopeX, I believe you're just exaggerating on the impact of General Discussion. I don't really see any difference between before and now. It was usually like how it is today. Other than back in '06, people asked more questions.

23 people aren't that much of a huge impact. Though, I can understand how these people didn't exactly harm the community. I don't think I ever once seen them promote botting or any other things that is immorally wrong. Although, there is people on the ban list that did, but people like Deacon and Sylhana for an example, never did. Unless I haven't seen the whole picture.

Though, I'm all for the removing bot promotion; banning those who promote bots or annoy are really those who need the boot.

Although, for a more extreme push for legitimacy, you need to remove whomever bots. To be more loud about your position in this situation, the bot problem. Which is also understandable, yet unforgiving. It's basically like a trade off.

Imagine seeing a community that are against bot. But, here are these bots within the gates of the community and are even at the chairs of the higher authority, it's hypocrisy to harbor people that bot - that you are against such people.

[Da_Realest]

Glad to see people Arguing with me. First off i didn't mean "Elite" has in the title you get after so many posts(i can name plenty of 1k+ poster that are complete dumbass's), but elite for their knowledge (Not just the mods) Yes there were people who knew a lot and didn't bot. I'm not arguing that, When i joined SRF it was to gain info about the game, i couldn't careless if you botted or not(All these people who were banned i never recall them announce or promoting botting.) I came here to gain Knowledge about the game or when i had questions. Most of the time i got really good answers from experienced people such as Shyl etc. A lot of the botters are experts in the game and like other once legits, the chose instead of quiting to bot. Thats there choice, but banning them on this forum would in no way AFFECT them in SRO. If anything it affects the other users of this forum, getting dumbass poster's, posting non-sense. Why wage war on something that you can't control? You have a "War on bots" Yet they don't stop botting just posting at this forum. How is that a war?

A few quotes from SG during the beginning of srf's war on bots.

you make the mistake of thinking that i desire - in any part - the participation in any kind of discussion here by botters. if you bot, i don't want you here, period. say nothing of what you bring to the forum - what you TAKE from the game means i want you gone.

people come here first for their SRO info. we are the highest rated forum on the net. if this forum is anti-bot and pursues them mercillesly, then new users who come to here for info will be trained to be legit. bots will be hated as they once were. new servers, like Venus, will be havens for legits. true, the old servers are probably lost, but we will do what we can to change the tide.

Flame on. My Point is this, Werther or not these people have botted. Banning them did nothing but hurt the community. These people have never done anything wrong with in this community, to be banned.

As I said before, nice people come and go all the time. Need help with the game from an "elite" member? There are people like NukerSilo, Fug_Dup, Barotix, MrFudge, and myself just to name a few.

Really the only thing thats left worth reading on the forum is the Off-Topic lounge, everything in GD is complete Bullshit threads and replies.

Enjoy OT. I see no difference in GD besides the fact that closet botters not being able to flame legits without punishment anymore.

[Pilot]

I don't think I ever once seen them promote botting or any other things that is immorally wrong. Although, there is people on the ban list that did, but people like Deacon and Sylhana for an example, never did. Unless I haven't seen the whole picture.

Again, it's an argument that you pro-ban people still have nothing to retort with-banning bots on SRF accomplishes nothing. Out of the thousands and thousands of bots operating out there, this phony "war" against a few will make absolutely no impact on the bot population, nor will it ever stop those who were banned for botting to start botting again. Banning bots is a responsibility of Joymax, not SRF. What do mods honestly hope to achieve by banning these "botters"? 20 some people from botting? Making a so-called "friendly and constructive" environment? That is a direct question, and I would appreciate an answer.

The opinions and positions of SRF have absolutely no control over an individual's sense of moral judgement. Whether you ban them or not, they will simply return to botting again, or resort to lurking other SRO fanforums out there. No, it does not solve the bot problem, and no, it does not "tarnish" the image and reputation of SRF.

As Zing and a few others said, unless these were truly people encouraging botting and illegal game activity, I have nothing to say against banning them. Their mere presence in these forums does not automatically persuade/tolerate botting for "new users".

Bring them back. Strip them of their mod titles, reset their postcounts, I don't care. What SRF needs is the continual support of experienced users and players to keep SRF alive.

EDIT:
One thing I noticed with threads of banned members was the sheer hatred that filled them. Personal grudges, I don't know, but I don't understand how so many people completely despised and hated members like Sylhana. It wasn't a simple finger pointing fest, it was flaming. Wretched people. Exposing botters has been abused to much.

[William-CL]

I don't think I ever once seen them promote botting or any other things that is immorally wrong. Although, there is people on the ban list that did, but people like Deacon and Sylhana for an example, never did. Unless I haven't seen the whole picture.

Again, it's an argument that you pro-ban people still have nothing to retort with-banning bots on SRF accomplishes nothing. Out of the thousands and thousands of bots operating out there, this phony "war" against a few will make absolutely no impact on the bot population, nor will it ever stop those who were banned for botting to start botting again. Banning bots is a responsibility of Joymax, not SRF. What do mods honestly hope to achieve by banning these "botters"? 20 some people from botting? Making a so-called "friendly and constructive" environment? That is a direct question, and I would appreciate an answer.

The opinions and positions of SRF have absolutely no control over an individual's sense of moral judgement. Whether you ban them or not, they will simply return to botting again, or resort to lurking other SRO fanforums out there. No, it does not solve the bot problem, and no, it does not "tarnish" the image and reputation of SRF.

As Zing and a few others said, unless these were truly people encouraging botting and illegal game activity, I have nothing to say against banning them. Their mere presence in these forums does not automatically persuade/tolerate botting for "new users".

Bring them back. Strip them of their mod titles, reset their postcounts, I don't care. What SRF needs is the continual support of experienced users and players to keep SRF alive.

EDIT:
One thing I noticed with threads of banned members was the sheer hatred that filled them. Personal grudges, I don't know, but I don't understand how so many people completely despised and hated members like Sylhana. It wasn't a simple finger pointing fest, it was flaming. Wretched people. Exposing botters has been abused to much.

This forum isn't going to support Pro-Bot ppl anyday. Syl made an understanding thread about her leaving, meaning that she accepted it. The ppl here don't hate them, but we don't support botters/Pro-bot ppl. If it goes against the Tos for silkroad, then it is not accepted here. I don't understand why it is so hard for you to accept that we are a legit Forum. It most likely will not stop bots ingame, but ppl will realize that this is a nice community to be in and decide not to bot so they can be a part of it. See it's simple really, BOTs go bye bye Now good day to you sir

[DopeX]

This forum isn't going to support Pro-Bot ppl anyday. Syl made an understanding thread about her leaving, meaning that she accepted it. The ppl here don't hate them, but we don't support botters/Pro-bot ppl. If it goes against the Tos for silkroad, then it is not accepted here. I don't understand why it is so hard for you to accept that we are a legit Forum. It most likely will not stop bots ingame, but ppl will realize that this is a nice community to be in and decide not to bot so they can be a part of it. See it's simple really, BOTs go bye bye Now good day to you sir

Don't know what your on, but i highly doubt botters will stop botting to join this community. And if they get banned from here, and wish to remain they can easily remake an account. The only way botting is going to stop is if JM makes it. I'm done with this thread Flame on assholes

[William-CL]

This forum isn't going to support Pro-Bot ppl anyday. Syl made an understanding thread about her leaving, meaning that she accepted it. The ppl here don't hate them, but we don't support botters/Pro-bot ppl. If it goes against the Tos for silkroad, then it is not accepted here. I don't understand why it is so hard for you to accept that we are a legit Forum. It most likely will not stop bots ingame, but ppl will realize that this is a nice community to be in and decide not to bot so they can be a part of it. See it's simple really, BOTs go bye bye Now good day to you sir

Don't know what your on, but i highly doubt botters will stop botting to join this community. And if they get banned from here, and wish to remain they can easily remake an account. The only way botting is going to stop is if JM makes it. I'm done with this thread Flame on assholes

Well if you want to support bots then you can simply leave Bottom line is we dont. They can go ahead and remake there account

Remake an account after being banned once for one of the above. We will keep deleting your posts and banning your IPs. You will run out of patience and proxies before we run out of the desire to keep you out. It takes you 10x as long to remake as it does us to ban. Making an alternate identity with which to flame, spam, etc. will cause both accounts to be banned.

If they wanna bot and disobey rules, then they aren't welcome. And again, Good Day!

[MrSonic]

Didn't read all replies but the war on bots definitely hurt the community, just look at the GD now! Stupid questions about whether Saytan will be the only mob to drop pairs of pants or why didn't someone come to Hera (its people's personnal decision leave them alone). I used to average 5+ posts per day in GD when i joined SRF in early 2008, now i don't even bother looking there.

At the end its your decision, keep the closet botters and have a decent community, or ban the closet botters and fill the forum with retards. You chose the retards? Good job, and how will you keep this forum popular now? The main reason why people were coming here was to get advice or ask silkroad-related questions. How are you gonna keep these people coming here if there's barely anyone left capable to give good advice here? SRF will get a horrible reputation for being filled with dumbasses and it will end up far worse then any botting forum could possibly become.

[Zing]

MrSonic, you're being biased. "Bots or retards, your choice;" what type of question is that? Everyone that doesn't bot or haven't been banned are retards? Everyone that botted and was banned are not retards?

There's many of people here who hasn't been banned and they're not "retards." You should take the time to read other people's posts, as Da_Realest already pointed out there are many people on here that has the knowledge equivalent to or higher than those who have been banned. You're just being dramatic about the situation.

[dom]

Didn't read all replies but the war on bots definitely hurt the community, just look at the GD now! Stupid questions about whether Saytan will be the only mob to drop pairs of pants or why didn't someone come to Hera (its people's personnal decision leave them alone). I used to average 5+ posts per day in GD when i joined SRF in early 2008, now i don't even bother looking there.

At the end its your decision, keep the closet botters and have a decent community, or ban the closet botters and fill the forum with retards. You chose the retards? Good job, and how will you keep this forum popular now? The main reason why people were coming here was to get advice or ask silkroad-related questions. How are you gonna keep these people coming here if there's barely anyone left capable to give good advice here? SRF will get a horrible reputation for being filled with dumbasses and it will end up far worse then any botting forum could possibly become.

You're right. You should leave.

[Pilot]

This forum isn't going to support Pro-Bot ppl anyday. Syl made an understanding thread about her leaving, meaning that she accepted it. The ppl here don't hate them, but we don't support botters/Pro-bot ppl. If it goes against the Tos for silkroad, then it is not accepted here. I don't understand why it is so hard for you to accept that we are a legit Forum. It most likely will not stop bots ingame, but ppl will realize that this is a nice community to be in and decide not to bot so they can be a part of it. See it's simple really, BOTs go bye bye Now good day to you sir

Don't know what your on, but i highly doubt botters will stop botting to join this community. And if they get banned from here, and wish to remain they can easily remake an account. The only way botting is going to stop is if JM makes it. I'm done with this thread Flame on assholes

Well if you want to support bots then you can simply leave Bottom line is we dont. They can go ahead and remake there account

Remake an account after being banned once for one of the above. We will keep deleting your posts and banning your IPs. You will run out of patience and proxies before we run out of the desire to keep you out. It takes you 10x as long to remake as it does us to ban. Making an alternate identity with which to flame, spam, etc. will cause both accounts to be banned.

If they wanna bot and disobey rules, then they aren't welcome. And again, Good Day!

That's wrong. I don't see how its so hard to get my point. Allowing closet botters to roam the forums does not automatically transform this site into a nasty, dirty, bot supporting group of folks. Unless you bot, who likes bots? Certainly no one.

@Dope: having forums free of botters does not make us a legit forum. That has absolutely nothing to do with the opinions of SRF, and unless we are literally and actively supporting it blatantly, we shouldn't mind who bots and who doesn't, who uses No-DC, who doesn't. We're not the police, we're not God. It's not our responsibility to be setting moral standards and forcing people to follow them. And by moral standards, I mean leaving out fundamental things like flaming/rudeness/spamming/etc which must obviously be enforced. Botting is the individuals' choice-yes, he/she fails at life, but as long as he/she offers valuable advice and insight on these forums, we do not need to care how he/she runs his/her game/life outside SRF.

[Zing]

Pilot, this is a private own forum, as the owner has the right to set rules and regulations at their pleasure. If they wish to police and give the morality of the forum, they have the every right to do so. Otherwise, as harsh as it sounds, you can leave.

SRF chooses not to harbor any type of cheater. I believe it's a way to at least keep botters out of this specific community, since they've already plagued the game itself. A haven, to say. Though, it does have the negative outcome of it, value members actually being removed. But, that doesn't mean the community is at its doom, as new people will join and others will take their places. As unforgivable and harsh it is, it's promoting legitimacy through the forum itself. If you want to be apart of this community, don't bot; unless you want to be humiliated.

[William-CL]

Don't know what your on, but i highly doubt botters will stop botting to join this community. And if they get banned from here, and wish to remain they can easily remake an account. The only way botting is going to stop is if JM makes it. I'm done with this thread Flame on assholes

Well if you want to support bots then you can simply leave Bottom line is we dont. They can go ahead and remake there account

Remake an account after being banned once for one of the above. We will keep deleting your posts and banning your IPs. You will run out of patience and proxies before we run out of the desire to keep you out. It takes you 10x as long to remake as it does us to ban. Making an alternate identity with which to flame, spam, etc. will cause both accounts to be banned.

If they wanna bot and disobey rules, then they aren't welcome. And again, Good Day!

That's wrong. I don't see how its so hard to get my point. Allowing closet botters to roam the forums does not automatically transform this site into a nasty, dirty, bot supporting group of folks. Unless you bot, who likes bots? Certainly no one.

@Dope: having forums free of botters does not make us a legit forum. That has absolutely nothing to do with the opinions of SRF, and unless we are literally and actively supporting it blatantly, we shouldn't mind who bots and who doesn't, who uses No-DC, who doesn't. We're not the police, we're not God. It's not our responsibility to be setting moral standards and forcing people to follow them. And by moral standards, I mean leaving out fundamental things like flaming/rudeness/spamming/etc which must obviously be enforced. Botting is the individuals' choice-yes, he/she fails at life, but as long as he/she offers valuable advice and insight on these forums, we do not need to care how he/she runs his/her game/life outside SRF.

Well Srf is a Silkroad based forum and botting goes against the TOS. If it didn't violate it then im sure they would be allowed here. And bot supporters shouldn't be welcome because they are also supporting the right to go against the TOS. Which is infact is a Crime that allows legal action to be taken. And if SRF supported that or allowed ppl that did that then we wouldn't be the highest rated forum on the net as SG quoted. It is in fact our responsibility to enforce the morals of the game here by not supporting bots. As Cin has stated

we know we cant arrange a bot-free game
we're trying to arrange a bot-free community

[XemnasXD]

It's interesting to see people whining and complaining about SRF's war on bots. Back when there was no war, people complained about the closet botters. They complained that everyone KNEW they botted, yet they were allowed to stay here despite the fact. Now that people are being banned, you complain because they were "Elite".

You forgot how when it started people were complaining regular users, favorite users, and mods were protected.

Then luoma, 1211, deacon, and sylhana got banned.

wait wha. When did sylhana get banned.

[DopeX]

Well if you want to support bots then you can simply leave Bottom line is we dont. They can go ahead and remake there account

When did i say i support bots? i said i don't care if you bot or not(Thats my opinion). Never said i support them in anyway. Don't accuse me of shit. I'm done "Good Day Sir"

[MrSonic]

I'm gonna repeat what many people said, in caps lock and blue text!

BANNING BOTS FROM SRF IS NOT GONNA RESOLVE ANYTHING! You're simply feeding your egos, feeling all proud of getting a member banned who contributed to this forum 10 times more then you did. YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT BANNING THEM FROM AN ONLINE FORUM WILL NOT STOP THEM FROM BOTTING. They will simply register on a new forum or use the time lost here to actually do something profitable like walking the dog or helping his brother/sister do their homework. AND ALL THOSE WHO THINK THAT THEY CAN MAKE A BOT-FREE COMMUNITY, well i don't use this word very often but ROFL! Do you really think all these blessed newcomers who are supposed to keep SRF alive are legits? Silkroad is not exatly a game that attracts a lot of newcomers, especially lately, so i bet that 90% of them are closet botters if not more! You may have caught the big fish but you've just filled its place with unknown botters. You caught the shark and filled his place with piranhas.

A good forum lets their member stay based on their maturity, their contribution and their behaviour. A bad forum bans their members simply because they have different opinions(bot or not to bot) no matter how much they contributed! It doesn't take a genius to understand in which direction SRF is going.

[Da_Realest]

I'm gonna repeat what many people said, in caps lock and blue text!

BANNING BOTS FROM SRF IS NOT GONNA RESOLVE ANYTHING! You're simply feeding your egos, feeling all proud of getting a member banned who contributed to this forum 10 times more then you did. YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT BANNING THEM FROM AN ONLINE FORUM WILL NOT STOP THEM FROM BOTTING. They will simply register on a new forum or use the time lost here to actually do something profitable like walking the dog or helping his brother/sister do their homework. AND ALL THOSE WHO THINK THAT THEY CAN MAKE A BOT-FREE COMMUNITY, well i don't use this word very often but ROFL! Do you really think all these blessed newcomers who are supposed to keep SRF alive are legits? Silkroad is not exatly a game that attracts a lot of newcomers, especially lately, so i bet that 90% of them are closet botters if not more! You may have caught the big fish but you've just filled its place with unknown botters. You caught the shark and filled his place with piranhas.

A good forum lets their member stay based on their maturity, their contribution and their behaviour. A bad forum bans their members simply because they have different opinions(bot or not to bot) no matter how much they contributed! It doesn't take a genius to understand in which direction SRF is going.

Feel free to leave.

Its funny how many of the people complaining about what the forums use to be are people who joined in 08. SRF has always been a forum for legits only. You were almost guaranteed to see something similar to this in GD every week before SRF's war on bots.

[Barotix]

lol, botting a social trap applicable to SRO. If you don't know what a social trap is google it, I just got my internet back today and have some stuff to do

[Amelie]

Its funny how many of the people complaining about what the forums use to be are people who joined in 08. SRF has always been a forum for legits only. You were almost guaranteed to see something similar to this in GD every week before SRF's war on bots.

haha i still remember when he posted that.

[Quintus]

Personally I think that this "War on Bots" was wrong also. This witchhunt, burn the botter type of mentality is ruining the amount of good content on these forums.

This is just my .02 but I think SRF should have a "dont ask dont tell" policy. If you openly admit you bot or talk about how you play 3 chars on softmod, then drop the banhammer on em, but if someone doesnt openly speak about it on the forum or tell people then let them be a productive member and contribute to this forum.

Many people that have made this forum a great place are now gone. This forum just isnt as good to read anymore, and it seems that recently, threads have been turning into bonfires instead of a good read. Thats just my .02 though. Agree with me or not its where I stand on this issue.

[Barotix]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_trap

I'll post how botting is a social trap later, and the war on bots isn't a we hate them as people thing. We make a distinction between the person and the act, although; the act results in a slight (variance may apply) loss of respect.

[echo]

Many people that have made this forum a great place are now gone. issue.

Yes, this is 100% true and I couldn't agree with you more. Many great people are gone from forum and quit sro cause of botters. About bot supporters or botters itself leaving, only made this place better.

And it seems that recently, threads have been turning into bonfires instead of a good read.

Yes, recently threads suck, cause of people coming and whining that botters are getting banned and being shocked that forum is against them

[non ego man]

...I think SRF should have a "dont ask dont tell" policy...

That's what it was and here's an example of a typical post under that policy:

"You legits are just a bunch of whiny-ass bitches. Botters have lives and girlfriends and they like to go to parties and don't just sit in their parents basement all day playing computer games and popping zits. You're just jealous because they're better than you. By the way, I don't bot."

Yeah, SRF was really Farking awesome under that policy.

[Fly]

...I think SRF should have a "dont ask dont tell" policy...

That's what it was and here's an example of a typical post under that policy:

"You legits are just a bunch of whiny-ass bitches. Botters have lives and girlfriends and they like to go to parties and don't just sit in their parents basement all day playing computer games and popping zits. You're just jealous because they're better than you. By the way, I don't bot."

Yeah, SRF was really Farking awesome under that policy.

lol. soooo true.

[0l3n]

...I think SRF should have a "dont ask dont tell" policy...

That's what it was and here's an example of a typical post under that policy:

"You legits are just a bunch of whiny-ass bitches. Botters have lives and girlfriends and they like to go to parties and don't just sit in their parents basement all day playing computer games and popping zits. You're just jealous because they're better than you. By the way, I don't bot."

Yeah, SRF was really Farking awesome under that policy.

Well thats people who openly admit to booting but people who dont say a word wont inspire other people to start botting meaning they really dont hurt anyone.

[Barotix]

...I think SRF should have a "dont ask dont tell" policy...

That's what it was and here's an example of a typical post under that policy:

"You legits are just a bunch of whiny-ass bitches. Botters have lives and girlfriends and they like to go to parties and don't just sit in their parents basement all day playing computer games and popping zits. You're just jealous because they're better than you. By the way, I don't bot."

Yeah, SRF was really Farking awesome under that policy.

Well thats people who openly admit to booting but people who dont say a word wont inspire other people to start botting meaning they really dont hurt anyone.

O rly?
Edit Coming.
Here is the EDIT: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84516

[RogueKiller]

O rly?
Edit Coming.

No offense but, feels a bit communist.
Free Speech ftw?

[Barotix]

O rly?
Edit Coming.

No offense but, feels a bit communist.
Free Speech ftw?

When I typed edit I was referring to my own post. '||-_-