Homosexuality

StealMySoda · Post by **StealMySoda** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:10 pm

As said, many things are un-biological and wont help the human species survive. Smoking won't help anyone. Eating fatty foods wont help anyone. Straight people can enjoy anal, how on earth does that help the human species?

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:13 pm

StealMySoda wrote:As said, many things are un-biological and wont help the human species survive. Smoking won't help anyone. Eating fatty foods wont help anyone. Straight people can enjoy anal, how on earth does that help the human species?

The rate we are growing isn't helping the human species survive either...

Judge · Post by **Judge** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:15 pm

StealMySoda wrote:As said, many things are un-biological and wont help the human species survive. Smoking won't help anyone. Eating fatty foods wont help anyone. Straight people can enjoy anal, how on earth does that help the human species?

lol, you're mixing terms around. Something being biological doesn't mean it will help the species; its like having an appendix. Having a pinkie is biological, but does it aid us in any way?

A biological process is a process of a living organism. Biological processes are made up of any number of chemical reactions or other events that results in a transformation.

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:24 pm

gaybasher are funny, they act all tough and sh1t cause they think every gay are queer and wont do sh1t. Situation get hilarous when they get confronted.

I take pleasure to back my friends when people a making fun of them

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:28 pm

BloodOwnzzz wrote:
StealMySoda wrote:As said, many things are un-biological and wont help the human species survive. Smoking won't help anyone. Eating fatty foods wont help anyone. Straight people can enjoy anal, how on earth does that help the human species?

The rate we are growing isn't helping the human species survive either...

we're not growing the rates always been the same its just more open nowadays

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:34 pm

Fine then we aren't dying fast enough. =O

lemonsareyum · Post by **lemonsareyum** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:32 pm

I don't really care. Its wrong to push being straight or homo on someone.

Sharp324 · Post by **Sharp324** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:55 pm

Judge wrote:homosexuality is purely biological. there is nothing anyone can do about it. people don't choose to be gay or straight, they just are. thats all I'm gonna type in this topic, I have a tendency to flame at ignorance.

Girls tend to choose it..

iGod · Post by **iGod** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:59 pm

XemnasXD wrote:BTW Jstar1 your statement is wrong because it completely leaves out the cases of AIDS/HIV in Africa and India which alone account for more than 50% of AIDS/HIV cases worldwide and thats gained either in utero or or some heterosexual sex. Not to mention that HIV is NOT CAUSED by gay people, i think thats the most ignorant thing you've ever posted. HIV is caused by AIDS which is contracted through UNPROTECTED SEX. Gay people didn't cause AIDS, we didn't invent it and please don't bring out that sex with monkey BS story the mostly likely CAUSE of AIDS was a created infection that spread outside its area of containment probably introduced into africa by a modified vaccine.

You do know that AIDS is the disease and HIV the virus right?

redneck · Post by **redneck** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:12 pm

Well if you were able to choose whether your son or daughter was gay or not before he was born would you choose to make him straight? As in altering his genes or some sh1t if it was possible.

I know I would and thats all i'll say because if I posted what I really think then it would lead to flames against me....

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:38 pm

redneck wrote:Well if you were able to choose whether your son or daughter was gay or not before he was born would you choose to make him straight? As in altering his genes or some sh1t if it was possible.

I know I would and thats all i'll say because if I posted what I really think then it would lead to flames against me....

Tell us what you really think. And while you are at it, give us a reason for why you think that. I bet you will either...

A. Not post...

Or

B. Won't have a reason...

strangelove · Post by **strangelove** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:52 pm

I'm reading through these arguments and rebuttals and it looks as if people are mixing arguments, and some are focusing their argument around the stereotypical aspects of homosexuality (actions, mannerisms, etc.), not if its immoral or not. o O (Then theres the ones thinking they're gonna get hit on by every homosexual they come in contact with. But I digress..) This also shouldn't turn into a 'nature vs nurture' discussion, since it wasn't meant to be one.

On what standards of morality is homosexuality being judged by? Is it immoral to be born a certain way, one that you cannot control or change at will? This is more of a social issue than a morality one, and morality itself is not controlled by human nature, just religious precepts. Granted, there's 'absolute moral' that we all follow unconditionally (don't murder, don't steal, etc.) but I don't think theres an absolute moral that says 'don't be homosexual' or something.

redneck wrote:Well if you were able to choose whether your son or daughter was gay or not before he was born would you choose to make him straight? As in altering his genes or some sh1t if it was possible.

What reason would you have to do such a thing? If you were arguing that homosexuality is unnatural yet artificially modifying the genetic makeup of the fetus, it'd seem a little contradictory. Or maybe you'd do it to prevent your offspring from having to face the burden of inequality? The only other reason I can think of for making this choice is to satisfy your personal dogma. I'm thinking the latter.

noobert mclagg · Post by **noobert mclagg** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:55 pm

redneck wrote:Well if you were able to choose whether your son or daughter was gay or not before he was born would you choose to make him straight? As in altering his genes or some sh1t if it was possible.

I know I would and thats all i'll say because if I posted what I really think then it would lead to flames against me....

I would want him/her to be straight cause homosexual people are unfairly scrutinized against when its not even their choice to be homosexual or straight.

Reise · Post by **Reise** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:56 pm

I'm sure if they had a choice, parents would choose to have straight children. Be "tolerant" all you like, everyone still knows in the back of their heads that fundamentally it's not right to be homosexual.

Even so there are gay people out there, that's they way they are and I'm not gonna tell them they're bad for being so. Obviously it's possible to choose to be gay, and that's entirely up to the people who choose it. Some people argue it's genetic, so if you're gay because that's just the way you are then that's fine too.

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:03 am

Yep, because parents always know what's right for their children, they should also get to choose their sexuality! Oh and their Hair Color. And Eye Color. And... -_-"

strangelove · Post by **strangelove** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:09 am

Reise wrote:I'm sure if they had a choice, parents would choose to have straight children. Be "tolerant" all you like, everyone still knows in the back of their heads that fundamentally it's not right to be homosexual.

Even so there are gay people out there, that's they way they are and I'm not gonna tell them they're bad for being so. Obviously it's possible to choose to be gay, and that's entirely up to the people who choose it. Some people argue it's genetic, so if you're gay because that's just the way you are then that's fine too.

Anyone who believes that being gay is a choice- I offer you this:

Try to be gay for a week. Try to sleep with someone of the same gender. Bring yourself to do that, and to prefer it over heterosexuality.

If you are incapable of making that choice- then there must be more to it then just an internal desire to be different.

Disconn3cted · Post by **Disconn3cted** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:17 am

BloodOwnzzz wrote:
redneck wrote:Well if you were able to choose whether your son or daughter was gay or not before he was born would you choose to make him straight? As in altering his genes or some sh1t if it was possible.

I know I would and thats all i'll say because if I posted what I really think then it would lead to flames against me....

Tell us what you really think. And while you are at it, give us a reason for why you think that. I bet you will either...

A. Not post...

Or

B. Won't have a reason...

if there was a way to stop it before the child was born i would gay people have to go through so much shit because of ignorance caused by religion and thats not going to change for at least 100 years

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:26 am

Disconn3cted wrote:
BloodOwnzzz wrote:
redneck wrote:Well if you were able to choose whether your son or daughter was gay or not before he was born would you choose to make him straight? As in altering his genes or some sh1t if it was possible.

I know I would and thats all i'll say because if I posted what I really think then it would lead to flames against me....

Tell us what you really think. And while you are at it, give us a reason for why you think that. I bet you will either...

A. Not post...

Or

B. Won't have a reason...

if there was a way to stop it before the child was born i would gay people have to go through so much shit because of ignorance caused by religion and thats not going to change for at least 100 years

And yet you rarely hear them complain about it, except for maybe the ability to get married. I couldn't care less about what other people think of me. As long as they don't physically hurt me then I really don't care. If I can be twisted to look like I'm going against god, then I could twist them back in them agreeing with what Hitler did, not only did he kill millions of people of a specific religion but he also killed foreigners and gays...

William-CL · Post by **William-CL** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:50 am

*Didn't read all replys*

But here is my opinion. No. I'll tell you why. Because My sis is Bi and she was of the funnest ppl to be around. It doesn't change a person at all. They are all still ppl. Fact is that they can't control who they are or aren't attracted to or Love. My sister is married but still has "girlfriends". And yes my brother in law is one lucky bastard cause my sis is a photographer and he gets to watch her take pics lol. Sometimes he's in on them. If You have a gay friend and don't know he's gay, he'll be the same as if he was straight. (Except he might be getting exited in the locker room at school). I absolutley hate ppl that say "All gays are going to hell". **** you. My asshole friends make fun of gay's a lot and get pissed because I usually go hang out with them instead lol. They are ppl juss like you and me.

Reise · Post by **Reise** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:52 am

BloodOwnzzz wrote:Yep, because parents always know what's right for their children, they should also get to choose their sexuality! Oh and their Hair Color. And Eye Color. And... -_-"

If homosexuality was right in the first place do you think anyone would have a problem with it?

And on the subject of being "bisexual" that shit's a sad trend. You don't know how many confused teenagers I've heard say they're bi like it's a badge of honor. You're either gay or you're not, pick one.

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:04 am

Reise wrote:
BloodOwnzzz wrote:Yep, because parents always know what's right for their children, they should also get to choose their sexuality! Oh and their Hair Color. And Eye Color. And... -_-"

If homosexuality was right in the first place do you think anyone would have a problem with it?

So it is wrong to be gay? And thus, any other abnormality, big or small, must be equally immoral and wrong. Sorry there is broken logic in this...

Reise · Post by **Reise** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:13 am

BloodOwnzzz wrote:
Reise wrote:
BloodOwnzzz wrote:Yep, because parents always know what's right for their children, they should also get to choose their sexuality! Oh and their Hair Color. And Eye Color. And... -_-"

If homosexuality was right in the first place do you think anyone would have a problem with it?

So it is wrong to be gay? And thus, any other abnormality, big or small, must be equally immoral and wrong. Sorry there is broken logic in this...

No there isn't. If it was right to be homosexual, we wouldn't be having this discussion, people would already accept it. It's not right, so we tolerate it because it's either their choice to be different, or it's just the way they are as different people.

Vindicator · Post by **Vindicator** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:20 am

Reise wrote:
BloodOwnzzz wrote:Yep, because parents always know what's right for their children, they should also get to choose their sexuality! Oh and their Hair Color. And Eye Color. And... -_-"

If homosexuality was right in the first place do you think anyone would have a problem with it?

And on the subject of being "bisexual" that shit's a sad trend. You don't know how many confused teenagers I've heard say they're bi like it's a badge of honor. You're either gay or you're not, pick one.

Bi is more of a choice. Your either gay or straight which gives you strong desires towards a sex, but you can also choose to mess around with the other sex. A guy can be gay, never want to marry, but still like to have sex with a woman, just never have a serious relationship with a woman, only men.

Being bi is more a choice that you will have sex with anyone instead of just one that your biological make up has chosen.

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:25 am

Reise wrote:
BloodOwnzzz wrote:So it is wrong to be gay? And thus, any other abnormality, big or small, must be equally immoral and wrong. Sorry there is broken logic in this...

No there isn't. If it was right to be homosexual, we wouldn't be having this discussion, people would already accept it. It's not right, so we tolerate it because it's either their choice to be different, or it's just the way they are as different people.

I DARE you to show me something that says being Gay is wrong. You will never find anything other than a medical reason. And therefore, what I said should be true to you. All abnormalities would seem immoral and wrong to you at that point.

Being gay has been blown out of proportion for its reason why it is bad. There is no reason it is just because it is different, just like someone from a different religion or country.

Reise · Post by **Reise** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:43 am

You dare me to find one reason why homosexuality is wrong?

Alright, I'll answer your dare with a question:

If everyone on Earth was gay, how long do you think humans as a whole would last? It's wrong quite obviously because it's against our biology. It's not a social issue unless you're a bigot and you have no tolerance for different people.

Like I said we put up with it because that's all we can do. We can't tell people to not be gay, it's their lives not ours. Homosexuality is only "right" because we allow it to be, and because we as humans don't have a serious need to reproduce since our population is so high.

Also if you're not going to accept some reasons others give as to why it's wrong, I'm not going to bother accepting reasons you give which try making it right.

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:46 am

Being gay doesn't prevent you from having kids... Being gay and never having sex with a women doesn't prevent you from never having kids either, it's called a sperm bank...

Like we said already. Pinkies don't help humans as a whole last either. And they aren't immoral and wrong either. This logic does not work...

Reise · Post by **Reise** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:51 am

BloodOwnzzz wrote:Being gay doesn't prevent you from having kids... Being gay and never having sex with a women doesn't prevent you from never having kids either, it's called a sperm bank...

Like we said already. Pinkies don't help humans as a whole last either. And they aren't immoral and wrong either. This logic does not work...

Missing my point, in a world where everyone's gay there would be no reproduction. If everyone was gay by design since the beginning of man's existence, we wouldn't have lasted long enough to make sperm banks. Or much of anything for that matter.

Drop this flawed logic nonsense and read what I'm saying.

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:53 am

BloodOwnzzz wrote:Being gay doesn't prevent you from having kids... Being gay and never having sex with a women doesn't prevent you from never having kids either, it's called a sperm bank...

Like we said already. Pinkies don't help humans as a whole last either. And they aren't immoral and wrong either. This logic does not work...

Stop throwing around the god damn word logic like if you're some kind of intellectual bastard.

Comparing homosexuality to pinkies is about as ridiculous as it gets.

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:01 am

some people think its wrong because they think its immoral and that marriage should be between men and women, its simply a tradition thing that they can't let go

BloodOwnzzz · Post by **BloodOwnzzz** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:06 am

@Reise - Yeh well there is the point where it isn't that way and never will be. Yes humans aren't supposed to be gay. It is still an uncontrollable defect and thus you hate us because we can't control ourselves, great. I guess it is wrong but you shouldn't hate us for it...

@Stallowned - Find me a word that isn't Logic and I'll use that instead. But basically the comparison is genuine and works to show that the WAY THAT HE IS THINKING(I like Logic better but ok...) does not work...

@Jstar - I agree that marriage is between a man and a woman. Personally I don't need to get married to be with a person for the rest of my life it is just a tradition as you say. Not everyone sees it that way, on both sides.

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