FITNA THE MOVIE

Roelofzen · Post by **Roelofzen** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:15 pm

The anti-Islam movie from Geert Wilders.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee4_1206625795

Dutch/English

Hes a jerk.

MrBow · Post by **MrBow** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:21 pm

edit: the link above is the Dutch link.
English version: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

Some background reading... it's a big thing in Holland lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(film)

Film got released at 19.00 hours.
Good luck watching that film on that link >.> traffic makes it impossible. I hope for a youtube version soon....

Roelofzen · Post by **Roelofzen** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:24 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky0wT4Jd0Sk

Not the movie

Priam · Post by **Priam** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:40 pm

pfff. It's just all a huge media hype, which lead to massive fear in a country, that normally doesn't fear freedom of speech.

Imo, the doing of our prime minister, he has been traveling around the world, begging several country's for help, whereas he should be the pillar of our country. He should've made it clear that we support freedom of speech, in each and every way, instead of running around frightened.

I do not support Wilders, however. This man is insane. Not that our government is doing a great job to solve these issues, that looking at the huge Hype caused, clearly are present.

@ the movie, i saw nothing new, just a load of stuff we had allready seen, put together, with some music.

did he really need al that time and media attention for this?

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:18 pm

freedom of speech even if its something you don't want to hear. but still the taliban gets riled up over the dumbest things, they're like school children with guns. I wonder if it ever occurred to them to just write this guy off as crazy and ignore him and tell their followers to do the same, they're really damaging Mohammad in the PR department.

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:28 pm

http://www.wanneergaatgeertwildersdood.com/

THIS LINK ISN'T FAKE ROFL!

hemagoku · Post by **hemagoku** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:34 pm

anti islam ? ,can any mod please close this

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:42 pm

hemagoku wrote:anti islam ? ,can any mod please close this

rofl dude, we're not anti islam.

we're just showing how retarted this dude actually is.

and he is actually a politician in Holland, retardation FTW?

Jantje · Post by **Jantje** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:56 pm

http://rs99.rapidshare.com/files/102841152/Fitna.avi

Direct link. Busy downloading.

Edit: Dutch version, it's bassically explaining why islam shoud be stopped with help from random selective things that happened in the past and random dialogs from extremistic muslims. It's selective propaganda versus Islam.

Priam · Post by **Priam** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:56 pm

hemagoku wrote:anti islam ? ,can any mod please close this

Crawl back out of your ass, and learn to read. This is actually MAJOR news in Holland, and we're discussing it rationally.

The dude in question is a politician.

read up on it.

CrimsonNuker · Post by **CrimsonNuker** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:01 pm

I thought this would be some wierd russian erotica porno movie =[

Roelofzen · Post by **Roelofzen** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:10 am

CrimsonNuker wrote:I thought this would be some wierd russian erotica porno movie =[

rofl

maxietheboss · Post by **maxietheboss** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:33 am

I have yet to see the movie, I'm sure im going to see it because you need to know where you're talking about. I dont have any problems with normal Islamic people, it are just the illiterate and radical people in those middle east countries. There people can react very hypocrite, they don't want to hear a bad word about their religion, however they do want to get rid of all other religions. This is not the opinion shared by most muslims, only by the radical muslims in those far away countries.

Post by **dom** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:06 am

I saw the movie, it was interesting. Personally, I think that every religion has extremists that should not be taken seriously as the status quo; however, people must realize that Islam is the only religion with entire states being run by fundamentalists. Looking at the spectrum, he's as extreme and guilty as those that completely dismiss the points he brings up. Whether you believe that there is a muslim menace or not, you have to look at things rationally and in a neutral state of mind.

The people in these videos definately do not represent the muslim majority, especially those living in the western world. Yet, it's still terrifying that people like them exist. They are ill, they are unable to seperate religion from the other facets of life and accept non-muslims into their world. To a certain degree I feel guilty for this, there must exist tonnes of social issues that lead them to become so bound to their religion. I guess the same thing could be said for evangelicals in the US, but I have yet to see a video of them beheading muslim businessmen, although the psychological torture they put their kids through is as twisted and wicked.

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:50 am

dom wrote:I saw the movie, it was interesting. Personally, I think that every religion has extremists that should not be taken seriously as the status quo; however, people must realize that Islam is the only religion with entire states being run by fundamentalists. Looking at the spectrum, he's as extreme and guilty as those that completely dismiss the points he brings up. Whether you believe that there is a muslim menace or not, you have to look at things rationally and in a neutral state of mind.

The people in these videos definately do not represent the muslim majority, especially those living in the western world. Yet, it's still terrifying that people like them exist. They are ill, they are unable to seperate religion from the other facets of life and accept non-muslims into their world. To a certain degree I feel guilty for this, there must exist tonnes of social issues that lead them to become so bound to their religion. I guess the same thing could be said for evangelicals in the US, but I have yet to see a video of them beheading muslim businessmen, although the psychological torture they put their kids through is as twisted and wicked.

Come too The Netherlands and you will actually see that most think like this. Before anyone flames me I said 'MOST'. I know a few muslims who turn their back to this bullshit violence, but on the other hand I know way too many people that have these speaches on their mp3 player and such. It's sick, it's retarded and it damn right hypocritical.

Sad reality is that the Dutch government is too much of a ass whipped pussy bunch too confront these extremeists. Basically these people have free run, and are TOTALLY ruining it for all the good intentioned muslims out there.

Muhh good movie tho.

Priam · Post by **Priam** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:55 am

The dutch govt is handling this all wrong.

They should've said "Wilders is an A-hole, but this is a country where freedom of speach is held dearly" instead of the fear they are spreading now.

MrBow · Post by **MrBow** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:01 am

Crumpets wrote:
dom wrote:I saw the movie, it was interesting. Personally, I think that every religion has extremists that should not be taken seriously as the status quo; however, people must realize that Islam is the only religion with entire states being run by fundamentalists. Looking at the spectrum, he's as extreme and guilty as those that completely dismiss the points he brings up. Whether you believe that there is a muslim menace or not, you have to look at things rationally and in a neutral state of mind.

The people in these videos definately do not represent the muslim majority, especially those living in the western world. Yet, it's still terrifying that people like them exist. They are ill, they are unable to seperate religion from the other facets of life and accept non-muslims into their world. To a certain degree I feel guilty for this, there must exist tonnes of social issues that lead them to become so bound to their religion. I guess the same thing could be said for evangelicals in the US, but I have yet to see a video of them beheading muslim businessmen, although the psychological torture they put their kids through is as twisted and wicked.

Come too The Netherlands and you will actually see that most think like this. Before anyone flames me I said 'MOST'. I know a few muslims who turn their back to this bullshit violence, but on the other hand I know way too many people that have these speaches on their mp3 player and such. It's sick, it's retarded and it damn right hypocritical.

Sad reality is that the Dutch government is too much of a ass whipped pussy bunch too confront these extremeists. Basically these people have free run, and are TOTALLY ruining it for all the good intentioned muslims out there.

Muhh good movie tho.

+1

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:49 pm

I watched it. Its hard to fight hatred and ignorance, even harder to fight ignorant hatred. But this is a cycle of violence that will exist as long as humans exist, the need to dominate, control, and spread are not confined to any one religion...the way they go about them is different but the goal is the same. The only thing that bugs me is that the US has assassinated ppl like these extremist leader for doing alot less, i wonder what they're waiting for this time. Other than that im not too worried because this kind of stuff has always gone on so its no surprise, it will rise and fall same as b4.

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:12 pm

It's bullshit. The parts where he shows some quotes of the Koran about killing and such are indeed in the Koran. However, the koran is talking about the holy war: Jihad. Wilders isn't interpreting it correctly, the Jihad is the war against the occupier of your country. If your country is being occupied by someone, it is your right to fight for the freedom and indepence of your country and people.

The parts where he is showing some retarted extremists talking some riduculous bullshit about slaying Jews and such has nothing to do with the Islam. Didn't you notice the fact that with the Jihad he is showing some quotes ofthe Quran and with the extremist he isn't? He can't show them, because they do not exist.

These extremists are talking some bullshit trying to get the mob angry and brainwashed, and unfortunately they're doing a good job

This guy is shame to the Dutch politics. I mean comparing the Islam with the Nazism? WTF?

He is a bigger threat to Holland than the terrorists themselfs, cuz he's bringin them to us.

This movie was only ment as propoganda against the Islam. = fail

Not to mention it was lousy PP presentation, my lil sis could have made that movie

CrimsonNuker · Post by **CrimsonNuker** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:05 pm

My friend's brother listens to preaching when hes driving the car, but he doesnt come visit that often

:D

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:10 pm

CrimsonNuker wrote:My friend's brother listens to preaching when hes driving the car, but he doesnt come visit that often :D

the kind of preaching that was in the movie o0

CrimsonNuker · Post by **CrimsonNuker** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:12 pm

XemnasXD wrote:
CrimsonNuker wrote:My friend's brother listens to preaching when hes driving the car, but he doesnt come visit that often :D

the kind of preaching that was in the movie o0

Iunno, i didnt watch the movie, just some priest preaching in a church like...

"PRAISE JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUSSSSSS HALLLEEEELUAA"

Hellraider · Post by **Hellraider** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:18 pm

Wilders for president

Damn wussy govt right now can't do shit about it, the prime minister is the prime example of a wussy, he says what the muslims want to hear or else he'll get shot too.

Same shit with the director Theo van Gogh, Hirsi Ali and that Scandinavian comic maker, they all get death threats and Theo got death, just because they SAID something, it sickens me.

Where's the damn freedom of speech if you can't even say anything about any muslim thing on the street without getting a knife shoved in your neck by some muslim kid.

I'll be long gone from Holland when it turns into a Muslim country

[SD]Twysta · Post by **[SD]Twysta** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:59 pm

[SW]Hellraider wrote:Wilders for president

Damn wussy govt right now can't do shit about it, the prime minister is the prime example of a wussy, he says what the muslims want to hear or else he'll get shot too.

Same shit with the director Theo van Gogh, Hirsi Ali and that Scandinavian comic maker, they all get death threats and Theo got death, just because they SAID something, it sickens me.

Where's the damn freedom of speech if you can't even say anything about any muslim thing on the street without getting a knife shoved in your neck by some muslim kid.

I'll be long gone from Holland when it turns into a Muslim country

+ Farking unlimited, i have nothing against muslisms or any other type of immigrants coming to holland, but their attitude pisses me off

Pim Fortuyn wanted to solve this problem by not letting any more immigrants into Holland and guess what? He got shot by a Farking muslim.

Unthankful people i talk to them daily their all over the place.
The part that sickens me most is the FACT that 61% of ALL immigrants DO NOT have work and get money on a monthly basis from the government.

edit: open your mouth and you will literally be ganked by their packs of wannabe 50 cents with Farking aldi shoes(cheap store).

I go out on a regular base and everywhere i go i see them bigmouthing in their groups its pathetic and like hellraider said, open your mouth and your racist.
Thats the bottom line, OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND YOU ARE RACIST in these peoples eyes.

Post by **Doron** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:16 pm

Today at school it was the talk of the day, at lunch break we were talking about it in our smoking corner..

We started out with:
If one man has got an imaginary friend we call him crazy.
But if a group of people have got an imaginary friend together they call it religion.

But mostly it went not about the how the movie shows how the muslims are, but how Wilders is overseeing the fact of what EVERY religion does.
(Btw, what is shown in the movie is half untrue.)
And in every religion there are some jackasses who think they're so badass that they can **** around with other people how much they like.

An if you look at the past, we dutches don't have such clean hands. well, ok, their cleaner compared to some other countries, but anyways, but Wilders is denying that, and so this is all bullcrap.

Be happy for people to have a religion, look at my grandma, I'm happy for her that she can go to the church every sunday morning and then do something together with her church girls after that. you have to be happy for people like that. But when you abuse that happynes and start doing dumb things your just plainly stupid, and you're also an egoist.

And by the way, muslims don't kill people, you know why? Because the Koran clearly states that you can't kill another person because it is just plainly bad. Ofcorse you land in hell!
And then look at the Bible, there are so many female unfriendly things in it, it'd make you sick.
And of corse, we're happy for them, but they can't abuse it, or it all goes bad.

So I think Wilders should just get the fugg out of holland and take his racist thought away, cuz it ain't good.

He also dared to say:
I have nothing against muslims, but I do have something against their ways.

Now he should really just gtfo...

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:59 pm

[SD]Twysta wrote:
[SW]Hellraider wrote:Wilders for president

Damn wussy govt right now can't do shit about it, the prime minister is the prime example of a wussy, he says what the muslims want to hear or else he'll get shot too.

Same shit with the director Theo van Gogh, Hirsi Ali and that Scandinavian comic maker, they all get death threats and Theo got death, just because they SAID something, it sickens me.

Where's the damn freedom of speech if you can't even say anything about any muslim thing on the street without getting a knife shoved in your neck by some muslim kid.

I'll be long gone from Holland when it turns into a Muslim country

+ Farking unlimited, i have nothing against muslisms or any other type of immigrants coming to holland, but their attitude pisses me off

Pim Fortuyn wanted to solve this problem by not letting any more immigrants into Holland and guess what? He got shot by a Farking muslim.

Unthankful people i talk to them daily their all over the place.
The part that sickens me most is the FACT that 61% of ALL immigrants DO NOT have work and get money on a monthly basis from the government.

edit: open your mouth and you will literally be ganked by their packs of wannabe 50 cents with Farking aldi shoes(cheap store).

I go out on a regular base and everywhere i go i see them bigmouthing in their groups its pathetic and like hellraider said, open your mouth and your racist.
Thats the bottom line, OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND YOU ARE RACIST in these peoples eyes.

the ultimate propaganda product.

you don't know shit. Pim Fortuyn was killed by Volkert van der Graaf. no muslim, no nothing.

get your pathetic, plain bullshit propaganda a.ss out of this discussion. you're only emberassing yourself.

CrimsonNuker · Post by **CrimsonNuker** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:00 pm

WOAH WHAT THE HECK?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5281414268

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:06 pm

dom wrote:I saw the movie, it was interesting. Personally, I think that every religion has extremists that should not be taken seriously as the status quo; however, people must realize that Islam is the only religion with entire states being run by fundamentalists. Looking at the spectrum, he's as extreme and guilty as those that completely dismiss the points he brings up. Whether you believe that there is a muslim menace or not, you have to look at things rationally and in a neutral state of mind.

The people in these videos definately do not represent the muslim majority, especially those living in the western world. Yet, it's still terrifying that people like them exist. They are ill, they are unable to seperate religion from the other facets of life and accept non-muslims into their world. To a certain degree I feel guilty for this, there must exist tonnes of social issues that lead them to become so bound to their religion. I guess the same thing could be said for evangelicals in the US, but I have yet to see a video of them beheading muslim businessmen, although the psychological torture they put their kids through is as twisted and wicked.

I read a nice article in a discovery magazine about why Muslims are such fervent fundamentalist and nationalist. Its started in the 1950s and has to do with the rise of Arab nationalism in Egypt after the rise of a Military regime. "Koran in one hand, Sword in the other" or in this case: ak47, look it up, it was quite an interesting read.

Post by **Doron** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:10 pm

Pimmy was neergeknald door een homofoob, niet door een moslim...

haha...

en ik zie meestal hardcore lui rondsjouwe met aldi sneakers... van die fugging leleke.. the gangsta's tragen scapino's

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:29 am

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