Joymax approves 1* Poppers?

[ImmyRey]

You don't have to exploit an NPC or hax it to attack a trader.

You can just stand there, and it do it on his own.

They go for hunter suits, then traders, lastly thieves.

They will ignore me and run right past me if a trader is near.

You just described why it is an exploit, and why they are making Hunters spawn on poppers instead of theives, so that you might have to do a little more than 'just stand there' to earn your money. And noone said you need to have a 'help all' attitude, it just means you dont have to act an ass just because you have reached a high level on a computer game.

[Ryoko]

You just described why it is an exploit

Im exploiting the game because NPCS attack on their own? I didnt code them too.

and why they are making Hunters spawn on poppers instead of theives

Our official site has no information of any such update, news about when we are getting it, and if we ever will.

so that you might have to do a little more than 'just stand there' to earn your money.

We already pop in trader uniform. Nothing new. Other users have posted that.

And noone said you need to have a 'help all' attitude, it just means you dont have to act an ass

Im not. Im just doing my job. I play the game now, and spend less time complaining about its design.

just because you have reached a high level on a computer game.

This is a level based game. This is not warcraft where we start with equal units round after round.

I didnt kill 30,000 ishades last month so people can claim its unfair.

I did it to be higher than other players.

You'll get there too if you stick with it.

[Bakemaster]

I didnt kill 30,000 ishades last month so people can claim its unfair.

I did it to be higher than other players.

Word.

[ImmyRey]

I'm sorry if it came across as a personal dig or anything, because it wasn't meant to. But the point remains, i still dont agree with popping, and you will never justify it to me, at least not with the sort of excuses you have come up with. Whether or not you coded the AI for the NPC thieves is not an issue. However, the one star trading system is designed to let people either at low levels or those who wish to to have a low risk way of making small amounts of money, without being attacked by people 50 levels higher than them. The fact that NPC's can be used to get around this game mechanic is an exploit, however you guys try and dress it up. I would give poppers a shred more respect than the none i give them currently if they would just admit that most of them pop because they are too lazy to do their job properly, or because they think it is hilarious seeing the lowbies trying to get away. If you really believe what you are doing is fine, then i'm sorry you feel like that, and i wnat to re-iterate that this is not anything personal against you, all i know about you is that you are a helpful guy with a great forum, and i appreciate that. If anything i am trying to show people who pop what it feels like for their victims, not that most seem to care.

Peace guys, happy silkroading!

[doa_master0]

my opinion on 1* popping is..... its the gayest thing on SRO besides the repetetiveness...but u cant do anythiong about it. its not an exploit because to "exploit" i think wud mean to do something that the system wawsnt made to do..but it seems reasonable or y wud the theives go after hunters before traders because the AI was built to kno who its threats are and what they want.... if ur theif usually a teif wont atk u but u can have some theif friends and tell the,m about some lobies that have some kool things so instead of betraying u(the theif they go get the traders stuff instead.. seems like good sense to me even tho i hate when its done to myself

[moley]

Personally, I wont 1 star pop because it reduces the reputation of those who do it, and because yes it's annoying when you are promised by the game that you wont be killed. However I honestly don't see why there is such a fuss, thieves are pretty much always considered the bad guys and thieves are people who (in general) steal from anyone in order to score some cash. Also the bad guys don't care about rules, never have, never will. The good guys make the rules and the bad guys break them. Thats how it is everywhere.

Everybody is getting pissed at the bad guys for simply doing what bad guys do.

It's time we started hating those damned traders for making so much profit each and every run!

[SilentKnight]

Well, considering most people do 1*, that aint very much profit.

[Moogie]

Personally, I wont 1 star pop because it reduces the reputation of those who do it, and because yes it's annoying when you are promised by the game that you wont be killed. However I honestly don't see why there is such a fuss, thieves are pretty much always considered the bad guys and thieves are people who (in general) steal from anyone in order to score some cash. Also the bad guys don't care about rules, never have, never will. The good guys make the rules and the bad guys break them. Thats how it is everywhere.

Everybody is getting pissed at the bad guys for simply doing what bad guys do.

It's time we started hating those damned traders for making so much profit each and every run!

You make a good point here. But personally, I see the thief job as just that- a job, like any other. Just because your objective is to take profits from other players doesn't mean you have to "break rules", and it doesn't mean you have to be an asshole while doing it. Thieves are thieves, not assasins, not mass-murderers, not psychopathic maniacs. If you gained job experience from pissing off as many people as you can in 5 minutes, or make X number of people quit the game forever per day, 1* popping would be absolutely fine. Thankfully, it's not. The job is just being a thief, just as a trader is just someone who transports goods from A to B for profit.

[ImmyRey]

Just tried a trade run, didnt get popped, but killed by a suit swapper at the Ferry. Joy -.-

[Moogie]

Sorry to hear that, Immy. Lol, I bet he didn't think he was exploiting the game mechanics when he did that. I wonder what 1* poppers think about suit-switchers?

[ImmyRey]

Hehe, the funny thing is i dont usually do trades for many reasons, and i was doing a 2* because my level 60 guildie was with me. Along comes a level 70 in a hunter suit, says 'Hi! =)' and then goes and suit switches at the ferry, comes back and kills us both. Nice. Oh well, i won't be trading again for a long time with all this crap. I have yet to see a thief kill a trade caravan without popping or suit switching, and i have been playing for months. It's pretty pathetic.

[Ryoko]

Sorry to hear that, Immy. Lol, I bet he didn't think he was exploiting the game mechanics when he did that. I wonder what 1* poppers think about suit-switchers?

I know anti-poppers who do switch suits.

Somehow, thats okay.

[ImmyRey]

Sorry to hear that, Immy. Lol, I bet he didn't think he was exploiting the game mechanics when he did that. I wonder what 1* poppers think about suit-switchers?

I know anti-poppers who do switch suits.

Somehow, thats okay.

Seriously?? Oh my god thats pretty hypocritical to the max. At least guys like you stick to your beliefs, and tell it how you feel. I have more respect for people who pop than suit switch (maybe -.-) because although i dont like poppers, at least you know what is coming and can run away or call for help. Suit switching is cowardly IMO.

[Bakemaster]

There's nothing in the game that says that someone can't switch suits to kill you. In fact, it makes a big deal about how you can act any job you like. The fact that there's a way around the 10 minute cooldown seems less of an exploit than simply a poor game mechanic. Or would you rather that he had taken his hunter suit off and followed you around to kill you ten minutes later?

[ShizKnight]

Nothing in the game that states you can't kill 1*s with NPCs either .

[Moogie]

If suit switching isn't an exploit, where is there any 10 minute cooldown in the first place? Why code that if you don't expect it to have some tangible use in gameplay? I doubt they threw it in for the hell of it.

[Bakemaster]

Well, not to get all Clintonian on you here, but it really depends on your definition of an exploit. Because it implies illegality I usually reserve the term for cases where there is a loophole around a clearly stated rule. The only thing clearly stated about the cooldown is that it exists. And it does have some tangible use, because it forces the player to relog or scroll or hang around the ferry, and risk losing sight of their target. If the server is busy, relogging is out. And scrolling is slow. Ferries are the most practical, but even that is limiting.

So do I think suit switching should be possible? Not really. Like I said, it's a poor mechanic. But I wouldn't call it an exploit because too many people use that synonymously with "cheat". Semantics, I know, but that's what you get from someone who used to hang around in the high school's English department after school. Or sometimes during.

Nothing in the game that states you can't kill 1*s with NPCs either .

No, but it did used to say that 1*s were protected from any attack by player thieves. Popping is an attack by player thieves, albeit less direct. Anyway the situation in that case was less clear, until the Q&A where they declared it fair play (albeit in vague and indirect language).

[zphantom]

If I'm exploiting the game, you should report me to a GM or the bug report page.

just because the game code allows it doesn't mean it's legitimate

I've let so many cool, polite people go its unbelievable. Sometimes people really do get to me.

as if cool and polite people should be sought out and popped

But I never let a sore loser go.

yes all level 20's that are popped and voice their opinions are sore losers and the level 70's who exploit the 1* trading mechanics are powerful level 70 GODs who we should all worship first before playing the game

The 1* as it stands is fine. It gives you a chance to trade without being directly slaughtered, and gives me a chance to do thief job without needing eight level 70's to pull it off.

if 1*'s popping can be EASILY DONE and intentional then there is nothing between directly slaughtered and easily + intentionally 1* popped

Without thieves hanging around the roads, hunters would be totally bored. They are already bored enough they don't do anything but gate wars. Its not my fault they don't get off their butt and go help.

When they do, they kill a thief - then switch to thief. They are not their to help you, but thats not my fault.

another exploit

No matter how you want to look at it, jobs are always competitve. Thief and hunter have zero protection accept teamwork, and leveling. Try those out.

yes and to make it more competitive high level thieves should 1* pop level 20's

Im exploiting the game because NPCS attack on their own? I didnt code them too.

you're bypassing a safe 1* trade. there is no need to 1* pop (give me a good reason). that's what 2*-5* traders are for.

and why they are making Hunters spawn on poppers instead of theives

Our official site has no information of any such update, news about when we are getting it, and if we ever will.

do you have an opinion about this idea?

so that you might have to do a little more than 'just stand there' to earn your money.

We already pop in trader uniform. Nothing new. Other users have posted that.

king of exploits...any which way. what i don't understand is why you persist to 1* pop no matter what. is there SERIOUSLY nothing else to DO?

And noone said you need to have a 'help all' attitude, it just means you dont have to act an ass

Im not. Im just doing my job. I play the game now, and spend less time complaining about its design.

until it bites you in the arse

just because you have reached a high level on a computer game.

This is a level based game. This is not warcraft where we start with equal units round after round.
I didnt kill 30,000 ishades last month so people can claim its unfair.
I did it to be higher than other players.
You'll get there too if you stick with it.

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you are already higher then level 20 players...infact a legion of level 20 players won't be able to put a dent in your armor type

make do with a scout...travel in groups...go the longer paths

I started trading at level 24, but found it boring.

look at all the things a low level trader needs to go through just for 40-50k per 35-40 minutes while a 1* popper just needs to sit camp somewhere.

[Ryoko]

there is no need to 1* pop (give me a good reason).

Because its my choice how I play. Not yours.

[moley]

You make a good point here. But personally, I see the thief job as just that- a job, like any other. Just because your objective is to take profits from other players doesn't mean you have to "break rules", and it doesn't mean you have to be an asshole while doing it.

Yup, I agree, I'm too much of a wuss to break the rules anyway

Thieves are thieves, not assasins, not mass-murderers, not psychopathic maniacs. If you gained job experience from pissing off as many people as you can in 5 minutes, or make X number of people quit the game forever per day, 1* popping would be absolutely fine. Thankfully, it's not. The job is just being a thief, just as a trader is just someone who transports goods from A to B for profit.

Another very good point, and another reason as to why I don't (and wont) pop, I'm not out there to make enemies. I want to, and like to make friends, even when I'm thiefing I'll carry my hunter suit incase I feel like helping out some lowbie traders.

However when I am thiefing and you are a multistar that I can kill, I will kill you, pleading wont save you - it just makes me stronger :p As stated I am doing my Job and that job as a thief is to take your stuff if you dare to run a multistar trade.

I also wont pop 1 stars because I have been popped plenty of times before, and I know that lower level traders really need the cash. I hear you all saying that you should just grind and make money that way, but I definately find that I make [i] much more cash trading then grinding. I can make 100k every 40minutes when trading, and I'll make that sum when grinding after about 2 or 3 hours, closer to 2 if I get some drops.

I'm not here to say that you are a dirty effing thief for popping 1 stars, but stop and think of the other party invovled, usually a lowbie who is struggling to make ends meet, they want the security of a 1 star trade so they can make some money to simply pay for their pots, or even that +2 weapon. But you take that security away and then complain when low level players ask you for money. Pots are very expensive at a low level because drops are worth so much less, it's easier to pay for pots as you get higher because the 10k stacks of pots are only double that of the 5k stacks, yet your drops make 10 or 20 times more then when you were using the 5k stacks.

I could also use the excuse 'well I was 1 star popped all of the time, so I'm going to do it back', but that would just start a vicious circle, alot of the players in this game are early teen males who are fairly immature (as you'd expect) and so they use that excuse, and that just shows their immaturity.

Uhh, an unorganised bit of rambling there in my Disconnected to the Server time

Don't worry Ryoko, I still love you <3

[ImmyRey]

The only thing clearly stated about the cooldown is that it exists. And it does have some tangible use, because it forces the player to relog or scroll or hang around the ferry, and risk losing sight of their target.

Lol, god forbid they are forced to hang around the ferry, the only place where traders are forced to go in order to complete their trade.

[shadoweye]

1* popping is ok in my books. (even though ive been 1* popped ) its just on more risk u take along with the job of trader. (and u never hear low lvl hunters complain about getting owened by high lvl theifs. so why do traders complain?)

[ImmyRey]

. (and u never hear low lvl hunters complain about getting owened by high lvl theifs. so why do traders complain?)

Because by putting on a hunter suit you are leaving yourself open to attack from thieves, thats the way it is supposed to work. 1* trades are not supposed to be at risk in the same way, thats the difference.

[hellsharpt]

So many have pointed out its a job, nothing more. The job of the thief is to get loot (and sometimes kill hunters for sport). That means any way possible, yes ANY way possible. I do not pop, nor will I let guild members do it. I will usually attack NPC theives that people are trying to pop with, but not always. Suit swapping, fine by me, killing any hunter is fair game. Letting my theives kill a pesky hunter or a disgruntled trader that was rezzed and is now following me is fine too.

Also its not just thieves that are doing it, traders sitting in harmony circles are even more effective, and do it just to watch lowbies die. If they are one star there's nothing anyone can do other than to pop them to get them to stop.

Remember when you put on ANY flag you are a target, its your choice.

[r0t1]

(and u never hear low lvl hunters complain about getting owened by high lvl theifs. so why do traders complain?)

since when do low lvl hunters stop complaining? was raiding a 2 star trader with a hunter yesterday, the hunter insulted me for being a thief.

anyway, I ADMIT that im LAZY. 1s popping is SO MUCH MORE EASIER than finding those fking rare 2s-5s(to raise thief exp), especially when my thieving time is 1-2 hours only(i have to grind too you know).

thief - a criminal who takes property belonging to someone else with the intention of keeping it or selling it(Dictionary.com)(nothing said about following rules, joymax compromised to 1s popping already)

why hate 1* poppers only, they are just a portion of the "assholes". because 1s poppers is easy to recognize, point out and start hating them.

im in iKillers, i think most people in Xian should know that this guild is a thief guild, we 1s pop and multistar raid. Yet sometimes we get people hating our guild just because they can't kill us in multistar trade run.

If I am a low lvl thief trying to attempt to raid a high lvl multistar trade, and the hunter kills me, starts insulting me, who's the asshole now?

my random thoughts.

[ShizKnight]

I find 1* popping harder than raiding a multistar, myself. Given the option, I'd take the latter. After all, what kills faster, me? Or an NPC thief my level?

[Moogie]

Remember when you put on ANY flag you are a target, its your choice.

Only if a trader goes outside town without an animal carrying 1* trade goods. But I guess that's not true. :/

why hate 1* poppers only, they are just a portion of the "assholes". because 1s poppers is easy to recognize, point out and start hating them.

Believe me, they are far from the only type of griefer/cheaters hated by people. Scammers, suit-switchers, KSers, account-stealers, sh!t-talkers, all of these are hated too. 1* poppers are just another thing to add to the list of "Things that make Silkroad not fun to play". Isn't it funny that everything on the list is due to players being assholes, not due to the game itself... :/

[zphantom]

why hate 1* poppers only, they are just a portion of the "assholes". because 1s poppers is easy to recognize, point out and start hating them.

Believe me, they are far from the only type of griefer/cheaters hated by people. Scammers, suit-switchers, KSers, account-stealers, sh!t-talkers, all of these are hated too. 1* poppers are just another thing to add to the list of "Things that make Silkroad not fun to play". Isn't it funny that everything on the list is due to players being assholes, not due to the game itself... :/

add to that...spammers, scammers, newb stalling accounts, NPC blockers...etc

[Ryoko]

Just goes to say

Lots to cry about in this game. If theyre not hating on theives, there in the middle of town screaming about someone botting, instead of just filling out the report page. Which, achieves absolutely nothing, accept make you look UBER cool. (or lame....)

Sometimes, step back, and see the mechanics of the game. This how it works.

Post till blue in the face; nothing has changed. Its a void argument on both sides.

To think ppl 'only' 1* pop isnt acurate at all. Dub em 'popper'. Well, I'll rob a 2* too obviously. Or a union trade.

"Too coward to thief your level". You sir, are mistaken. I rob them just the same, when I can. Maybe I'm popping you with loot we just took from a 6x. Or maybe, we "hid" a 6x trader with 3*'s in a massive group of 1*, and they never saw it comming. Never know.

Loot is loot, job is job.

Maybe JM change it because ppl are upset... but thers people who are for it as well. At the end of the day, Im still robbing 1*.

Sometimes words can hurt but....I don't plan on changing what I do.

[Moogie]

I think the basic point of what all anti-popper people are trying to say is, if you CAN comfortably thief goods from high star traders, which is more profitable anyway, why should you also feel the need to rob a couple of $ from people who probably need it a heck of a lot more? All it does is upset them and make people hate you or think you're a bad person. Most people do 1* trades because they don't want to be forced into PvP, or, they really need some quick funds because they're broke. Either way, it is a selfish decision to pop them, but ultimately it's up to you whether you want haters always arguing at you. What goes around comes around... they got pissed off, so it's only fair they get to piss you off aswell. And there is no way the argument will ever settle because if you're allowed to pop traders, this is the ONLY thing those traders can do back to you. And nobody can tell me that's fair play.