PK2 Editting, why is it allowed on SRF?? it allows cheating

[ShadowSpell]

As stated by the mods and admins, PK2 editting is allowed since it doesnt effect other people or give them an UNFAIR advantage since its only user side, but now that people are PK2 editing to see invisible and stealth doesnt that give them a very unfair advantage against wizards and rogues?

Yes it takes away a skill that is needed by players that have very low HP and nothing like snow shiel to protect them and on top of it in order for them to hit hard they use a skill that cuts their HP in half.

[_SomeOne_]

cause the rules on srf are like the rules in school, no one follows them

[Fat_Smurf]

wow now that's uber gay lmao...


not coming to sro for a while if people now us abuse on the pvp side of the game...

[Deacon]

We allow certain things of PK2. As we don't allow the Stealth modification..

But everyone who uses the stealth pk2 edit will be banned, look in ur PK2 files. They changed some stuff in our packets where they can see who uses the stealth hack. So yeah, we shall see

[MrBow]

PK2 editing is allowed.
Removing invisibility with PK2 editing is not allowed.
(Links to) PK2 guides that contain the information posted above will be edited out and administrative action will be taken.

[crazy_foo]

We allow certain things of PK2. As we don't allow the Stealth modification..

But everyone who uses the stealth pk2 edit will be banned, look in ur PK2 files. They changed some stuff in our packets where they can see who uses the stealth hack. So yeah, we shall see

Sorry to disappoint but no they won't see....and no they won't ban for it.
They will fix it tho and then the ppl who have the hack might have to reinstall game but not sure about that

[ThatBluePerson]

Also editing their map to add unique spawn locations, that gives unfair advantage...

[ShadowReaver]

PK2 editing is allowed.
Removing invisibility with PK2 editing is not allowed.
(Links to) PK2 guides that contain the information posted above will be edited out and administrative action will be taken.

rly ?

I honestly can't think of a euro build that pwns besides 2h/cleric or maybe 1h/warlock.

Rogues and Wizards are just another free kill with the emergence of pk2 editing.

And I have never seen a wizard 1-nuke a full sun chinese. From what I've seen a lone wizard does about 18k dmg with their meteor nuke to a +5 garm set str char...

And I could tank Sylhanas +9 daggers with desperate on after I did snow shield and Impotent vital spot with a +0 set lol. And no, a rogue or wiz can't sneak up on me. And you can't call me a cheater cuz these forums haven't banned pk2 editing <3

[MrBow]

Shadow can you provide a link to that quote? Thanks

[Leon]

Shadow can you provide a link to that quote? Thanks

Lol, use search function next time

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82324&p=1040166&hilit=And+no%2C+a+rogue+wiz+can%27t+sneak+up+on+me.#p1040166

Always telling us to do that, but not doing it himself

[Nitro]

Also editing their map to add unique spawn locations, that gives unfair advantage...

If I google capt'n Ivy map I can have same thing as you do when you edit your map ...
so I wouldnt call it unfair advantage ...

[Amelie]

PK2 editing is allowed.
Removing invisibility with PK2 editing is not allowed.
(Links to) PK2 guides that contain the information posted above will be edited out and administrative action will be taken.

dont you think allowing some things (pk2 related) in this srf could therefore help people to find out about that stealth edit?

Those pk2 tuts on the guides and tutorials are just the base for people to explore such things, like making uniques as big as a you want, and even detect stealth and invisibility.

[NuclearSilo]

How about edit uniques to ROCH that u can see it from far? Oo

[MrFudge]

Wait I'm gonna get banned because pk2 edit rules aren't well written out in these forums so i went out on my own to change like 5 numbers in the media pk2 to see ppl in invis weeks ago?
Lol if you didn't want anyone to do it then why even allow pk2 editing, its not my fault AT ALL that joymax didnt config it well. You can't ban people from SRF because of that because it's not our fault that invis/stealth isn't server side like ur gears, alchemy, HP/MP pot delay for euros, etc. You guys yourselves provided the tools that allowed me to even do it by sharing text string and code searching programs in the pk2 guide section. If you didn't want anyone to do it then just delete the pk2 editing guides on these forums and remove all the links that lead u to download those programs, cuz some of that stuff you all have guides for is harder to do than changing 5 to 6 numbers in the pk2.
:S
+1 to amelie.

[Calico]

Wait I'm gonna get banned because pk2 edit rules aren't well written out in these forums so i went out on my own to change like 5 numbers in the media pk2 to see ppl in invis weeks ago?
Lol if you didn't want anyone to do it then why even allow pk2 editing, its not my fault AT ALL that joymax didnt config it well. You can't ban people from SRF because of that because it's not our fault that invis/stealth isn't server side like ur gears, alchemy, HP/MP pot delay for euros, etc. You guys yourselves provided the tools that allowed me to even do it by sharing text string and code searching programs in the pk2 guide section. If you didn't want anyone to do it then just delete the pk2 editing guides on these forums and remove all the links that lead u to download those programs, cuz some of that stuff you all have guides for is harder to do than changing 5 to 6 numbers in the pk2.
:S
+1 to amelie.

Disagreed. Joymax is the cause of the exploit, but it's losers like you that decide to use it in the first place that cause the real problem.

[123noob]

I don't understand why PK2 editing would be considered as illegal... it does not modify the game play other than graphical changes. If you were to modify something else, it would stop working neway...

[PR0METHEUS]

Wait I'm gonna get banned because pk2 edit rules aren't well written out in these forums so i went out on my own to change like 5 numbers in the media pk2 to see ppl in invis weeks ago?
Lol if you didn't want anyone to do it then why even allow pk2 editing, its not my fault AT ALL that joymax didnt config it well. You can't ban people from SRF because of that because it's not our fault that invis/stealth isn't server side like ur gears, alchemy, HP/MP pot delay for euros, etc. You guys yourselves provided the tools that allowed me to even do it by sharing text string and code searching programs in the pk2 guide section. If you didn't want anyone to do it then just delete the pk2 editing guides on these forums and remove all the links that lead u to download those programs, cuz some of that stuff you all have guides for is harder to do than changing 5 to 6 numbers in the pk2.
:S
+1 to amelie.

Some PK2 edits can be used to gain an unfair advantage, others cannot. SRF has every right to teach people how to do "fair" pk2 edits if they want, and provide the tools necessary for it. You decide whether you want to use those techniques to cheat in the game, or to just make your white wolf look grey (as an example). How is it SRF's fault if you use the skills you learned for cheating purposes?

There are plenty of guides out there that teach you how to crack a SAM file in Windows XP for password recovery and password strength testing. It becomes a problem if you use that information to attempt to crack Active Directory accounts on a system you do not own.

[NuclearSilo]

U guys dont try to get it in a dumb way...

SRF allow to post PK2 edit which modify the glow and the texture client side which doesnt give any advantage to the player.

While, some edits could be harmful such as GM name and invi hacks are not allowed. The less ppl know, the more good for the game. The mods dont want it, then dont make guides about it. "NOT allowed" is "NOT allowed", not "WHY it's not allowed".

SRF ToS =/= JM ToS. So no matter JM said editing client is illegal, SRF is not obliged to follow it. SRF is not JM's dog.

[MrFudge]

If you don't want it, remove the gateway drug.

= pk2 section.

[boast]

what a bunch of whining.

[Sylhana]

If you don't want it, remove the gateway drug.

= pk2 section.

I disagree. Pk2 editing has been supported by SRF even before I started browsing this forum. It has always been supported by the SRF community, and as such we as the forum staff team do our best to serve the SRF community. Why do a reversal now? When we first had euro update months ago, the assumption was that stealth/invisible was server sided and it couldnt be edited. Its only an issue now when someone finally wrote about it in a guide in another closed forum a few weeks ago. Although the information was posted publically in silkroadonline.net, it has since been removed. It isnt available anywhere else.

What we can do as a community, is to do our best to contain this information, as it is blatant form of cheating (regardless of the method). Dont encourage it, dont post it, dont make it available to anyone. Knowledge cannot be killed, sooner or later everyone and their dog will know about it and ask on how to do it, and everyone who is a rogue or a wizard or both would start crying if they havent already (cries in a corner). /back. Be responsible, if you know about it then dont use it, dont support the exploit, dont make it availble, and hope that JM will get around fixing it.

[Alfred]

Don't blame your own actions on others, fudge. You just showed your true self by using this pk2 exploit.

[ReiGX]

Also editing their map to add unique spawn locations, that gives unfair advantage...

If I google capt'n Ivy map I can have same thing as you do when you edit your map ...
so I wouldnt call it unfair advantage ...

Exactly. There are spawn maps on SRF too. Just memorize and there you go. Unless there's a pk2 edit that tells you where the unique is right when it spawns, nothing is bad about it.

Sorry for the off-topic. But hey, just use the Detect skills in game, you can see the rogues and wizards just the same.

[Dian Jie]

*yawn*

Really, anything else?

[PileOfMush]

Is it cheating to use a PK2 edit to show different gear when someone has SOS, SOM, SUN? I mean... if I can tell you are wearing a 1st tier 8d chest and not a SUN, doesn't that give me an unfair advantage?

Well.. not *ME* exactly haha... I'm lvl 48.

[Zing]

If you don't want it, remove the gateway drug.

= pk2 section.

Incredible, Fudge. So desperate to cover-up. Might as well remove the internet, because it's a gateway for homemade catastrophic bombs!

I think it's general to -know- that seeing a player when invisible is cheating without any tools provided within the game that created to provide a fair balance. When to break the rules of fair play is cheating. What common sense or knowledge points to this is not cheating?

SRF provides the knowledge for a good intent. And, clearly doesn't promote or recommend bad intent. To point the blame on this forum.. How long can you get? Really, there is no one else to blame but you. You decided to use this tool for a bad, selfish intent.

Wake up and smell the roses, buddy. It'd be silly to not see you to be punished when clearly stating you were cheating. Your card of "I didn't know it was against the rules(!)," won't exactly work. Like I've said before, it's common knowledge to know that this is cheating, unless you're actually handicapped.

[tedtwilliger]

I agree pk2 editing should be banned. A simple edit such as editing a thief suit to a gdf ( i assume its possible ) will allow people to find out the degree that the thief is wearing and give them a big advantage. Simply put either everything is ok or nothing is ok. My belief is that nothing pk2 editing wise should be allowed. Just my view.

[NuclearSilo]

The guides could be washed but the knowledge is still there. Ppl dont need to go to SRF to find a pk2 edit. In that case, it just give them the good reason to go to bad site.

[William-CL]

PK2 editing is allowed.
Removing invisibility with PK2 editing is not allowed.
(Links to) PK2 guides that contain the information posted above will be edited out and administrative action will be taken.

dont you think allowing some things (pk2 related) in this srf could therefore help people to find out about that stealth edit?

Those pk2 tuts on the guides and tutorials are just the base for people to explore such things, like making uniques as big as a you want, and even detect stealth and invisibility.

Gots a point.

I know how to change stealth/invis and so do a lot of ppl I'd assume. I learned all I know about pk2 editing from here. But at the same the same Time, they should know better than exploit something that disadvantages others players. Simply talking about this is gonna get ppl to explore it and try it.

The deal about changing uniques to roc aren't really that big of a deal, because it doesn't put other ppl at a disadvantage, it just give you an advantage.

Pk2 editing should be allowed. But exploits that could put other ppl at a disadvantage shouldn't be discussed at all.

[Zing]

The deal about changing uniques to roc aren't really that big of a deal, because it doesn't put other ppl at a disadvantage, it just give you an advantage.

Blackdragon, in a runners' race, someone driving a car is clearly at an advantage, does that give the runners a disadvantage?

When the notice for the unique appears, the race starts.