lightning vs. fire?

[revo333]

ive been reading a ton of posts and everything about hybrid ints, pure ints, nukes and everything but my main question still remains. wat is beter for a pure int spear...lite or fire?

also which will b better once i reach 80?

~Thx.

[blackfalcon]

light. and stop making new topics =/ just ask the question on one of your other topics....

[Repercussion]

Um... light is needed for the piercing force series... but fire has strongest imbues along with nuke, and will have the strongest nuke at 90 cap also.

[Lulor]

light. and stop making new topics =/ just ask the question on one of your other topics....

+1 if your going to use cold max go light simple as that

[Shynygamie]

light for pure int and fire for pure str

[Repercussion]

Anyone who thinks maxed ice at 90 cap will help... your stupid... lol...

All you get is 53% damage reduction, and the current one at 90 cap is 50%... why waste 10 good mastery points...

Im doing this for me at level 81... not going past it...

78 Bicheon: Lightning Chain level 3 > Demon Blade Force Level 8 > Dragon Sore Blade Level 6 > Devil Cut Blade Level 9

81 Lightning: Piercing Force Level 2 > Wind Walk Level 10 > Ghost Walk Shadow Level 2 > Power Lion Shout Level 3 > Concentration 3rd Level 6 > Horses Thunderbolt Level 6 > Level 8 Parry Passive [+31 Parry]

81 Fire: Soul Fire Force Level 9 > Fire Shield Emperor Level 1 > Flame Body Trial Level 1 > Earth Fire Protection Level 3 [+134 Mag Defense] > Flame Wave Series

60 Ice: Power Guard of Ice Level 7 [+42 Physical Defense] > Snow Shield Freeze [40% Mp Absorption] > Cold Armor Level 6 [+42 Physical Defense Passive]

Thats what I am doing... a lot of people probably will call it a failure, but its the only way I get all the skills that I like... =]

[borat2]

Anyone who thinks maxed ice at 90 cap will help... your stupid... lol...

All you get is 53% damage reduction, and the current one at 90 cap is 50%... why waste 10 good mastery points...

Im doing this for me at level 81... not going past it...

78 Bicheon: Lightning Chain level 3 > Demon Blade Force Level 8 > Dragon Sore Blade Level 6 > Devil Cut Blade Level 9

81 Lightning: Piercing Force Level 2 > Wind Walk Level 10 > Ghost Walk Shadow Level 2 > Power Lion Shout Level 3 > Concentration 3rd Level 6 > Horses Thunderbolt Level 6 > Level 8 Parry Passive [+31 Parry]

81 Fire: Soul Fire Force Level 9 > Fire Shield Emperor Level 1 > Flame Body Trial Level 1 > Earth Fire Protection Level 3 [+134 Mag Defense] > Flame Wave Series

60 Ice: Power Guard of Ice Level 7 [+42 Physical Defense] > Snow Shield Freeze [40% Mp Absorption] > Cold Armor Level 6 [+42 Physical Defense Passive]

Thats what I am doing... a lot of people probably will call it a failure, but its the only way I get all the skills that I like... =]

....

phy defense increase from passive and might guard of ice increases great each level, at level 90 it will be 132 increase
passive will be also 132
so its far from stupid to choose ice as one of your main mastery as a pure int.

i also find your build plan kinda strange you will have some nice skills indeed but you will be missing out a lot damage/defense, if you only count the mastery increase you already missing out 9% of your total damage not even talking about the damage you will miss for having "low level" skills.

back on topic.
you can take both for the highest damage build, but if you have to choose due to mastery limits, make sure you have light your main instead of fire.

[Hideoki]

when will people realise? each time a new cap comes out, you need to de level masteries....so by 100 cap ur bicheon will be useless "brainded if you dotn de level that, defies all reason of being a nuker otherwise, cus u need light and cold" unless you keep de levelling cold...but then ur gonna be so easy to kill its almost killed ur build totally.

imo, keeping cold at 80 is fine for 90 cap, but bicheon at 78 and cold at 60?....lmao

[SaoKill]

when will people realise? each time a new cap comes out, you need to de level masteries....so by 100 cap ur bicheon will be useless "brainded if you dotn de level that, defies all reason of being a nuker otherwise, cus u need light and cold" unless you keep de levelling cold...but then ur gonna be so easy to kill its almost killed ur build totally.

imo, keeping cold at 80 is fine for 90 cap, but bicheon at 78 and cold at 60?....lmao

He is right in a way. At the 100 cap, bicheon should still be needed. But at the 110 and so on, you'll get stun from the lv110 Force book, in which you should get force... At the 140 Cap I suggest getting 20 Cold, 140 Lightning, 140 Force. Strong nukes, debuff, stun, with a little snowshield to help you out. And DON'T go hybrid. Even JM's comics says don't, it'll just mess up your build. The extra HP isn't needed.

[Hideoki]

Bicheon is never right, its a waste of time for chinese nuke builds!!! i said in my other post 110 light / 110 force / 80 cold is what we will use by then.

110 force / 110 light / 80 bicheon is the only possible other build i can see, but thats weaker than the 1 mentioned before.

[SaoKill]

I'm not talking about 110... I'm talking about the 100 Cap. At the 100 Cap, Bicheon is a must... You'll only get defensive moves from Force at 110, Causing you to only be able to nuke at 100 if you have NO Defensive moves from Force or Bicheon. That's why, at the 100 cap, stay with Bicheon, and at the 110, Delevel it.

[Hideoki]

i guess you can up to 100, but for me i dont fancy de levelling bich down to 0 so i just will never use it. i do fine in pvp with bicheon at 30 right now. i just look forward to 110 when i can take force and stun.

[SaoKill]

i guess you can up to 100, but for me i dont fancy de levelling bich down to 0 so i just will never use it. i do fine in pvp with bicheon at 30 right now. i just look forward to 110 when i can take force and stun.

I suggested it because it's going to take forever to get to the 110cap. By then, people will have hopefully saved up for enough silk deleveling potions, or they're in for a lot of cursed hearts.

[revo333]

why are ppl dropping wep skills and maxing out fire and light without having a wep skill?

[SaoKill]

That's completely dumb. If you drop the weapon mastery, ATLEAST get force. At 110, this provides you with Stun and many debuffs.

[BaronSengir]

low bicheon? there goes your lv9 bleed division and impotent since you will be doing lv 8 one lol

[SaoKill]

low bicheon? there goes your lv9 bleed division and impotent since you will be doing lv 8 one lol

Another good reason why you should go no bicheon to low bicheon. From the chains, you get no status effects, or low leveled ones, that will do no effects to people your level...

[blackfalcon]

i think the builds for the 100+ caps should be this:

100 cap

weapon 100
ice 100
light 100

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110 cap

110 weapon
110 light
80 ice

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120 cap

weapon 120
light 120
ice 60

[SaoKill]

I think force should be included...
STR

100:
100 Weapon
100 Fire
100 Force

110:
110 Weapon
110 Force
80 Fire

INT

100:
100 Weapon
100 Lightning
100 Cold

110:
110 Force [This is when stun comes]
110 Lightning
80 Cold

[revo333]

does anynoe know when a 110 cap is coming out? and if it comes out wat lvl should i get my bicehon to max before i start delvling it? (cause i wanna reach the cap)

[blackfalcon]

does anynoe know when a 110 cap is coming out? and if it comes out wat lvl should i get my bicehon to max before i start delvling it? (cause i wanna reach the cap)

lol 90 cap aint even out yet. at the rate they release things i would say 2 years

[revo333]

is maxing out cold necessary for a pure int s/s?

[blackfalcon]

I think force should be included...
STR

100:
100 Weapon
100 Fire
100 Force

110:
110 Weapon
110 Force
80 Fire

INT

100:
100 Weapon
100 Lightning
100 Cold

110:
110 Force [This is when stun comes]
110 Lightning
80 Cold

i dont think droping a weapon tree for foce is good. delevelinga weapon to zero jus to get stun? spear already has stun, an sword has knockdown so i dont really see the point in wasting those mastery lvls jus to get stun.

is maxing out cold necessary for a pure int s/s?

ya u still need maxed cold, all int builds do

[revo333]

does spear have 100% chance of stun? and does force?

[blackfalcon]

its not a 100% guarentee. but still, deleveling weapons for force seems stupid

[SaoKill]

[quote="blackfalcon"]
Just stun? No...
1. Stun
2. Debuffing Like Hell
3. Revive
4. Therapy
5. Immunity

[blackfalcon]

but still, is it worth not hving a weapon tree?

[SaoKill]

but still, is it worth not hving a weapon tree?

Yes. You're nukes/STR-based attacks will be so strong, it's not even funny... You'll be 2hitting people, and with stun, your unstoppable

[revo333]

SaoKill how many cursed hearts and how much cash do u think it will take to de lvl 120 lvls?

[SaoKill]

Lots, 1200 Cursed hearts just for levels, and than maybe another 2000 or something for the stuff inside those levels. Also lots of cash.
But, if you got Silk, it'd be a lot easier + no cash