BOYCOTT THE GOLD BUSINESS

[SavagePriest]

I'm not on a soapbox or pretending to be faultless on this but, in light of the common displeasure everyone is expressing over the server traffic problem I think it would behoove us to refrain from buying gold. With more and more players leveling out and the price of gold dropping, if we just stop buying it I think it would make an impact on the amouont of goldbots running around. When demand falls production follows suit. Do more alchemy and stall, do less PL'ing. Generate your own income to keep from inflating the server economy. Just my thoughts on the subject

[---Rev---]

This is a "Legit" forums so I would have nobody buys gold here even though I am wrong, but they wont admit it even if they do lol.

But I would say most people who are legit dont buy gold so there is no point in asking people to boycot the gold buying industry when the people that care dont buy it anyways.

[ThisIsAvalon]

It costs so little for them to overflow the servers with goldbots, that even if they made $10 a month, thats all they would need to manage the goldbots.

[SavagePriest]

so let me go back up to the heading and re-read. Yep, says "Silkroad General Discussion". I don't see the word "Legit" anywhere in any of these forum sections and the forum itself is called "Silkroad Forums". So, back to my original point that ANY operation will falter if not supported. That is my only point which IS legitimate. And it's the attitude equal to "well MY car isnt going to make a difference in the polution problem, it's only one car" or "well if I DONT vote it's not going to matter that much, I'm only one person" that prevents and hinders much needed changes in the world. Changes and improvements happen ONE PERSON AT A TIME....and yeh, now I AM on my soapbox. If people don't buy gas guzzlers, gas guzzlers will cease to be made. If people dont buy gold gold will cease to be farmed. Plain economics.

[Sylhana]

so let me go back up to the heading and re-read. Yep, says "Silkroad General Discussion". I don't see the word "Legit" anywhere in any of these forum sections and the forum itself is called "Silkroad Forums". So, back to my original point that ANY operation will falter if not supported. That is my only point which IS legitimate. And it's the attitude equal to "well MY car isnt going to make a difference in the polution problem, it's only one car" or "well if I DONT vote it's not going to matter that much, I'm only one person" that prevents and hinders much needed changes in the world. Changes and improvements happen ONE PERSON AT A TIME....and yeh, now I AM on my soapbox. If people don't buy gas guzzlers, gas guzzlers will cease to be made. If people dont buy gold gold will cease to be farmed. Plain economics.

Hmm, maybe you looked in the wrong places. Try forum rules next time:

Silkroad Forums strictly prohibits the following:

• Promotion, distribution, or support of botting, hacking, or the use of other 3rd party programs.
• Sale of digital items, gold or accounts for cash or In Game Gold value.
• Hack programs, no-cd's, keygens or bots for any games.
• Inappropriate content or materials.
• Advertising and spam in forums or chat channels.
• Links to malicious sites or downloads.
• Posting another persons personal information for any reason.

[Qosta420]

too bad some people are just way too ambitious to be the strongest player, thats why there are bots, gold buyers, silk, ctf, ect. if most people stop then those who keep buying gold and botting will be even stronger. unles JM realy cracks down i dont think theres much we can do =(

[crazy_foo]

so let me go back up to the heading and re-read. Yep, says "Silkroad General Discussion". I don't see the word "Legit" anywhere in any of these forum sections and the forum itself is called "Silkroad Forums". So, back to my original point that ANY operation will falter if not supported. That is my only point which IS legitimate. And it's the attitude equal to "well MY car isnt going to make a difference in the polution problem, it's only one car" or "well if I DONT vote it's not going to matter that much, I'm only one person" that prevents and hinders much needed changes in the world. Changes and improvements happen ONE PERSON AT A TIME....and yeh, now I AM on my soapbox. If people don't buy gas guzzlers, gas guzzlers will cease to be made. If people dont buy gold gold will cease to be farmed. Plain economics.

Hmm, maybe you looked in the wrong places. Try forum rules next time:

Silkroad Forums strictly prohibits the following:

• Promotion, distribution, or support of botting, hacking, or the use of other 3rd party programs.
• Sale of digital items, gold or accounts for cash or In Game Gold value.
• Hack programs, no-cd's, keygens or bots for any games.
• Inappropriate content or materials.
• Advertising and spam in forums or chat channels.
• Links to malicious sites or downloads.
• Posting another persons personal information for any reason.

Too bad almost no one listens to those rules tho
And btw there is a lot of "legits" that buy gold. For example botters make so much gold from botting and drops that a lot of them don't need to buy gold(unless they are power hungry)

[non ego man]

Most of the goldbots are run by players, not gold-selling companies. Just take a look at the people admitting to botting in the exposed botters section. Most of them are running 20-30 clients to gather gold and level for their academy of their main. Many of the gold-selling companies have started selling the time for clientless bots so players don't need to buy gold or run hacked bots.

While it used to be true that gold-selling companies ran all the goldbots, that's now a myth. The goldbots are run by playerbots.

Think about it. If you bot, you've already said "f*ck everyone else, this is about me" so what stops you from downloading a hacked bot and running as many clients as your computer can handle? Nothing. So what if someone gets your ID and password, as long as you empty the bots each night to a secure account.

They're also set up with programs that automatically login when they d/c and can do the image verification. Why are all the servers always full? Because there's always a ton of little shits out there with auto-logins for their goldbots trying to get in.

And you get a lot of closet botters and bot defenders on these forums saying "it's not the playerbots that are the problem, it's the goldbots." Well guess what, sherlock? There ain't no difference any more.

As I've said 100 times and will say 100 times more, make all the f*cking excuses you want about how it's JoyMax's fault or whoever's fault, you're either part of the problem or you're part of the solution. ANY defense of bots makes you part of the problem.

[SavagePriest]

I like what you say non ego man. Perhaps you are right in that the ratio as dramatically shifted toward player accounts for gold farming. That never really ocurred to me, but now that you mention it that might make sense in light of the changes that the game has gone through since the Euro update. I know players who sell gold but never considered that the numbers of those players could compare with the number of company bots. But, the concept I struggle with is the suggestion that this traffic is based on farming for personal use? If that would be the case then yes, boycotting the gold business would have little impact. If it is farmed for resale, no matter by whom it is farmed, still, no market equals no production. And I AM now trying to be part of the solution, not part of the problem, one step at a time...and I think that anyone here in these forums who shows an indication of reconsidering what it will take to combat these issues (if they can be) should be encouraged and applauded.

[antics]

i always murder the botters
with my murder char(s)

[foudre]

auto log in is why the servers are so full

[the_wicked]

From what i read in a previous thread, most gold companies actually buy gold off players and resell for greater value, hence players that run goldbots. On Greece there are a few goldbot guilds, the most infamous is HolyWar....which has been goldbotting for over a year now. On venus, guilds like DejaVu have a bunch of guilded gold bots......so yea even if we stopped ALL goldbuying it would have to be the players who would have to stop goldbotting =\

[Barotix]

gold buyers =/= legitimate users.

There is no FCKING gray area

Finally some people get it: The community is and always has been the problem, there is nothing wrong with the game. The company reacts to community behavior and ethics, once the community ignored botting, the company followed suit. Now a large Legit playerbase on 3 servers and the Largest SRO forum have decided the rules need change, likewise: the company changed their act.

Viva La Legitimia!

EDIT: I have a hypothesis on how Server traffic works.

Never will work...

Care to elaborate?

[christina]

Never will work...

[borat2]

Most of the goldbots are run by players, not gold-selling companies. Just take a look at the people admitting to botting in the exposed botters section. Most of them are running 20-30 clients to gather gold and level for their academy of their main. Many of the gold-selling companies have started selling the time for clientless bots so players don't need to buy gold or run hacked bots.

While it used to be true that gold-selling companies ran all the goldbots, that's now a myth. The goldbots are run by playerbots.

Think about it. If you bot, you've already said "f*ck everyone else, this is about me" so what stops you from downloading a hacked bot and running as many clients as your computer can handle? Nothing. So what if someone gets your ID and password, as long as you empty the bots each night to a secure account.

They're also set up with programs that automatically login when they d/c and can do the image verification. Why are all the servers always full? Because there's always a ton of little shits out there with auto-logins for their goldbots trying to get in.

And you get a lot of closet botters and bot defenders on these forums saying "it's not the playerbots that are the problem, it's the goldbots." Well guess what, sherlock? There ain't no difference any more.

As I've said 100 times and will say 100 times more, make all the f*cking excuses you want about how it's JoyMax's fault or whoever's fault, you're either part of the problem or you're part of the solution. ANY defense of bots makes you part of the problem.

playerbots are either the 1 client running people (tbot/isrobot) or the softmod users who can run couple more clients, the whole 20clients part is just EXTREME, some people like to show off and yes some actually can run 20 at a time, you will need a lot of time and a hell of a good pc not the random pc most of us do have.

most bots i see are still the clientless bots those AREN'T run by players, if you refer to the guilded goldbots most of them are simply invited (it is very easy to do it) i fail to understand why someone would spend that much money on clientless botcards when gold is THAT cheap.

making gold in this game is so easy, sad part is its usually the hand grinders with silk who tend to also buy some gold, but ofc as with any situation there are some people who buy more gold than silk each month.

[Burningwolf]

savage, do you buy gold by any chance?

[erkakbe]

savage, do you buy gold by any chance?

i think he admitted that he bought some in the very start of his first post : )

[SavagePriest]

Thank you erkakbe. And yes Burningwolf I have. That is what I was refering to in my opening statement. I USED to be part of the problem. But it has gotten way out of hand and I dont WANT to continue to be. And I feel that many other players are experiencing the same frustration that for me, has led to the re-evaluation of my own actions. It IS not the game, but the community, like someone else said. It is up to the community to change it. It can be a very tedious game, but it is a great game, and many many people succumb to that me me me mentality and want it all RIGHT NOW. I guess all Im doing is trying to step out and be held accountable for my own actions, trying to ween myself from this type of behavior, and encourage others like me to do the same. As a community lets draw a line in the sand, now.

[Feataler]

I'm not on a soapbox or pretending to be faultless on this but, in light of the common displeasure everyone is expressing over the server traffic problem I think it would behoove us to refrain from buying gold. With more and more players leveling out and the price of gold dropping, if we just stop buying it I think it would make an impact on the amouont of goldbots running around. When demand falls production follows suit. Do more alchemy and stall, do less PL'ing. Generate your own income to keep from inflating the server economy. Just my thoughts on the subject

You just admited to not be legit and to buy gold. That means you support gold bots and bots, since gold bots work for bot websites.

[JacksColon]

what i find funny about this, and I KNOW I'm right because I know many people on SRF, is that people publicly claim legit, especially regarding the gold-buying thing, yet, they fvcking buy gold like it's nobody's business. the level of hypocrisy on srf blows my mind, not just regarding this, but other things as well. but, I'm not going to name names because i htink that's stupid. but, I'm also really drunk as i write this, so wtf do i know?

[mahumps]

Not all gold bots are manage by gold companies, most or maybe some of them are manage by player bots. But I still go with your claim not to buy gold. BTW people don't need to buy gold they only need to stall.

[SavagePriest]

thank you mahumps, a few of you get it. If you go down through this thread and read peoples responses and attitudes towards my OPEN admission to my own culpability on this topic, and the shift AWAY from my original thread topic on the economics of the gold market, you will see the evidence of the combative, self serving attitude which contaminates our community. THIS is what I no longer will participate in. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf here and encourage others to do the same. But all many of you want to do is throw darts, and for what reason? Jack is right. Come on, this game is not for idiots. The majority of our community are educated, talented people. Lets act like it.

[Pilot]

...and joymax will do something about it

[non ego man]

I know players who sell gold but never considered that the numbers of those players could compare with the number of company bots.

Using Venus as an example, there just aren't many company-run goldbots on that server. There are only 10 companies selling gold on Venus and of those, only about 3 are competitively priced. And the prices of those three companies (on Venus relative to other servers) show that there is more supply than demand so they don't even need to accumulate much.

But, as NB pointed out in another thread, there are several botters running guilds filled with their own bots: Fisser, CANADA and m0 for example. There are also still a handful of bot guilds on Venus whose members, I'm sure, each run 10-25 goldbots each, full time. It adds up quickly and the player-operated goldbots quickly outnumber the company-operated goldbots.

Which is why server traffic is so awful. When you try and log in, you aren't competing against other players for a slot on the server. You're competing against some dipshit botter running auto-login scripts for his cadre of goldbots.

Its funny to listen to the playerbots who don't run goldbots because they sound like legits used to before they retreated to Venus, Odin and Hera. Not realizing that they, of course, helped create this problem they now complain about.

As for your goldbuying, I have a lot of respect for reformed botters and reformed goldbuyers. You recognize how you contributed to the problem and now want to fix it. (I probably should have been more clear that I was using the general, collective "you" not the specific, individual "you"). If you really want to start fresh and leave your tainted character behind, there's a place for you in Asylum on Venus.

[SavagePriest]

How old is Venus now?

[Barotix]

How old is Venus now?

4.2 months old

[twistedorgy]

It's not just the gold bots companies...Player bots, and individual people putting up a bunch of bots at the same time to farm gold for themselves..

[sama98b]

It's the same.

Buying gold is there, there is no punishment of any kind for it.
If there would be no punishment for killing ppl in real life, a lot of ppl would die.