Should the U.S. Have Dropped the A-Bomb?

[XemnasXD]

Its not bullshit i've done my research you can Google "US wanted Pearl Harbor" and find tons of info on the topic to simply discredit it as conspiracy non-sense is just asinine. Its like staring something fully in the face and refusing to believe it exist. The United States wanted to enter WWI, they knew Hitler would not attack them anytime soon, they new the US citizens wouldn't want to enter the war, and they had knowledge that japan would be launching an attack. Look it the F*ck up cause all the information is there and like i said its a FACT.

/rant im done here i think i've exceeded my limits and am on the verge on old Xemnas where i would just reduce this argument to a shouting match....

[Anotherplyer]

Im remember writing a paper on this o.o

the bomb really developed to counter threat the nuclear tech developed in Germany. But hey, look they surrendered already, so lets use it on Japan..but Japan was already facing China, Russia, U.S. and even other European nations. They were trying to negotiate peace too, diplomats were going to Russia to do this. Plus we used the bombs on cities, on many civilians which still affects ppl genetically today. Although there were warfare and military structures in the major cities, the civilians arent all to blame. The government of dynasties and military leaders had started and prolonged the war

[Reise]

Knowing they're going to attack and orchestrating the attack are two entirely different things. I know neither of us are going to believe any differently about the subject Xem so I'm not really gonna bother dragging this on either.

[Locketart]

Its not bullshit i've done my research you can Google "US wanted Pearl Harbor" and find tons of info on the topic to simply discredit it as conspiracy non-sense is just asinine. Its like staring something fully in the face and refusing to believe it exist. The United States wanted to enter WWI, they knew Hitler would not attack them anytime soon, they new the US citizens wouldn't want to enter the war, and they had knowledge that japan would be launching an attack. Look it the F*ck up cause all the information is there and like i said its a FACT.

/rant im done here i think i've exceeded my limits and am on the verge on old Xemnas where i would just reduce this argument to a shouting match....

As you have said before it would be looked upon very differently if we were on the other end and an atom bomb was dropped on Manhattan. The fact is that civilians are innocent, they did not declare war and they are not fighting in the war. To drop bombs on them is cowardly and despicable.

[Silver0]

one of my history teacher told me that the reality is that we just wanted to try it out japan already had negotiations to surrender

[Grandpa]

Speaking in a quiet voice: How many US civilians died? How many Japanese civilians?

[Barotix]

US:JAP
0:~500k

[Valkasdar]

The war was won, the bombing was uncalledfor and unjustified, imo.

Not only in your opinion this is the true story. The war was over, america shouldn't drop the bomb but they want to test it in real situation, so they drop it, and after say "sorry" and send ofcourse (what america always do) help -.-

Every historical source can tell you that the war was over before the bomb was droped. America is guilty. And nothing can justify the death of ppl... even death of other ppl. So USA make big mistake.

And USA dont lose any civilians in this war, but they kill so many childs, womans and old ppl with this bomb so many ppl who dont deserve it... this was the most stupid thing america was done. And yes america not with capital A coz I dont have respect to this country.

And even now in Iraq, only one god knows what exacly is happening...
The media is the "3rd aouthority" you know they can wash your brain so bad that you start thinking the a-bomb in Japan droped from america was juistified >_>

[Valkasdar]

So you're saying the alternative of possibly thousands if not millions more of dead japanese soldiers and civilians and us troops would of been better?

Like what was suggested before the Jap military was weak and stretched thin. It seemingly would've caused less casualties to finish their resolve then to kill so many civilians. Of course, this is just a guess since that's not the way history turned out. Correct me, but did the Jap ever attack our home besides Pearl Harbor?

Did Germany ever attack our home?
Wars don't have to be fought on our front...

There is 2 types of war.
1st - the conquer
2nd - the defensive

What america do in WW2 (and every other..) is the civilians live their lovely lives in sweet america distanted from the real war on the front, while all other countries suffer not only the soldiers but the normal civilians - look at the diagram how much Russians was killed, How much Americans was killd ? eh ?

Is it fair enought to stay at home, in a distant land far away from the hell and drop bombs whenever you want and after that even say "WE ARE NOT GUILTY" LOL -..-

America was never ever suffered a real war in their homeland... but they need war... so they make it outside of america lol

I`ll stop coz I get angry how arogant are you and your nation...

[Stallowned]

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Like what was suggested before the Jap military was weak and stretched thin. It seemingly would've caused less casualties to finish their resolve then to kill so many civilians. Of course, this is just a guess since that's not the way history turned out. Correct me, but did the Jap ever attack our home besides Pearl Harbor?

Did Germany ever attack our home?
Wars don't have to be fought on our front...

There is 2 types of war.
1st - the conquer
2nd - the defensive

What america do in WW2 (and every other..) is the civilians live their lovely lives in sweet america distanted from the real war on the front, while all other countries suffer not only the soldiers but the normal civilians - look at the diagram how much Russians was killed, How much Americans was killd ? eh ?

Is it fair enought to stay at home, in a distant land far away from the hell and drop bombs whenever you want and after that even say "WE ARE NOT GUILTY" LOL -..-

America was never ever suffered a real war in their homeland... but they need war... so they make it outside of america lol


I`ll stop coz I get angry how arogant are you and your nation...

Wtf are you trying to say?
You have no damn point.

Wtf does not getting your own cities blown up have to dow ith justifiyign bombing the others.

Can't balme us that we're in a good position and are powerful enough to scare away any serious attack. Can't say that about all the sh1tty assed countrries int eh wrold.

[AngelEyes]

I'm not American Valkasdar, but before you go saying you have lost respect for America, you might want to refer to Germany with a small "g" because of the oh 6 million or so civilian jews that were exterminated, and maybe Japan with a small "j" as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 . Yes dropping the bomb and killing civilians is tragic, any civilian deaths in war is tragic, but you tell me what is more monsterous dropping a bomb to kill people, or performing these kinds of sick and twisted things on people you are looking in the eye. Japan should've got the bomb for this place alone.

Every country has it's share of horrors in it's past, America just makes a nice target because they are the largest, but if you are going to make statements like this, you better make sure you include all the other countries committing atrocities, I think there are a few in Africa that might warrant your disdain, up until recently I don't think the Eastern European countries were the most friendly of gov't, have you ever heard of the Killing Fields of the Khmer Rouge?

[SaoKill]

HELL YES, if we hadn't Japan would've not surrendered

[Stallowned]

I'm not American Valkasdar, but before you go saying you have lost respect for America, you might want to refer to Germany with a small "g" because of the oh 6 million or so civilian jews that were exterminated, and maybe Japan with a small "j" as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 . Yes dropping the bomb and killing civilians is tragic, any civilian deaths in war is tragic, but you tell me what is more monsterous dropping a bomb to kill people, or performing these kinds of sick and twisted things on people you are looking in the eye. Japan should've got the bomb for this place alone.

Every country has it's share of horrors in it's past, America just makes a nice target because they are the largest, but if you are going to make statements like this, you better make sure you include all the other countries committing atrocities, I think there are a few in Africa that might warrant your disdain, up until recently I don't think the Eastern European countries were the most friendly of gov't, have you ever heard of the Killing Fields of the Khmer Rouge?

Nicely said. Everyone loves giving sh1t to people who are on top. Whether it is on a global scale or in your day to day life.

[bLuE_fLaMe]

the war was just too much for the US to handle after 5 years of fighting it so they decide lets end this and then dropped the a-bomb, and it taught them a lesson they surrendered after the second one pretty much.

[mmhm3]

no. i say no because the reason why we dropped the bomb was becuz they were gonna drop it on us. it would have been the same if they dropped it on us if u see it from a nuetral viewpoint. there is now, in japan, a lot of mutations resulting from the bomb.

[bLuE_fLaMe]

since when did japan have a-bombs and test them? i thought it was the Germans who were trying to make an a-bomb. what you talking about?

[Grandpa]

since when did japan have a-bombs and test them? i thought it was the Germans who were trying to make an a-bomb. what you talking about?

It was in 1939 (before WWII started) that Einstein wrote to FDR and told him that the Germans were working on the Uranium 235 to purify it and then maybe it could be turned into the bomb. So that's how the Manhattan Project started.

The US spent like $2billion (that was a lotta money back then) and on July 16, 1945 "The Gadget" was detonated near the Jemez Mountains in northern New Mexico. A blind girl 120 miles away saw the flash (that would take ~30-40 hours to walk if you walked nonstop see post in off topic: How long would it take me to walk ~10-12 miles?) but it would probably have taken that blind girl longer.

After looking at what they had done (the ground had turned to jade colored radioactive green glass from the heat of the reaction) several of the people signed petitions asking that this would never be used again. The Jornada del Muerto, New Mexico (Spanish for Journey of the Dead Man) would not be the last place on planet Earth to experience an atomic explosion.

Please, don't make this bomb at home. It is NOT my intent to teach you how to make the Atom Bomb at home, this post is simply for entertainment purposes <-- the FBI make me say that

[Reise]

What america do in WW2 (and every other..) is the civilians live their lovely lives in sweet america distanted from the real war on the front, while all other countries suffer not only the soldiers but the normal civilians - look at the diagram how much Russians was killed, How much Americans was killd ? eh ?

Russia lost a crapload of people because they used wave tactics. They would basically send thousands of conscripts (civilian soldiers) at the enemy until they were overwhelmed and taken over. Also Stalin wasn't quite nice to his own people anyway.

[Valkasdar]

Russia lost a crapload of people because they used wave tactics. They would basically send thousands of conscripts (civilian soldiers) at the enemy until they were overwhelmed and taken over. Also Stalin wasn't quite nice to his own people anyway.

I know that.

[AngelEyes]

Like it or not the Russians were one the primary reasons why the bomb was used. The Americans wanted to stop the Russians from further expanding their power as had happened in Eastern Europe and had to end the pacific theatre as fast possible before Russia could seriously enter the fray and stake a claim to lands. Similar to how Germany was being divided up. Even though they were allies, it was more a mutual enemy than any idealogical similarities that put them on the same side. The other reason was, as stated earlier, a simple show of force to the Russians (and anyone else) that we have this much power, don't overstep your bounds we're on the scene now. It wasn't until this point that the Americans became a real global power. In World War one it wasn't yet the industrial power that it became after WW2, heck us Canadians had as large a part in the outcome of WW1 as the US did. But after WW1 the US became an isolationist country with no one wanting to get involved in anything outside their own borders, then throw in the Great Depression and they couldn't worry about anything outside their borders, but all that changed with WW2.

So you wanna blame anyone for Iraq blame the Axis powers jk

[Valkasdar]

I'm not American Valkasdar, but before you go saying you have lost respect for America, you might want to refer to Germany with a small "g" because of the oh 6 million or so civilian jews that were exterminated, and maybe Japan with a small "j" as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 . Yes dropping the bomb and killing civilians is tragic, any civilian deaths in war is tragic, but you tell me what is more monsterous dropping a bomb to kill people, or performing these kinds of sick and twisted things on people you are looking in the eye. Japan should've got the bomb for this place alone.

Every country has it's share of horrors in it's past, America just makes a nice target because they are the largest, but if you are going to make statements like this, you better make sure you include all the other countries committing atrocities, I think there are a few in Africa that might warrant your disdain, up until recently I don't think the Eastern European countries were the most friendly of gov't, have you ever heard of the Killing Fields of the Khmer Rouge?

Have Germany start another war after that, or Japan or any other country ? NO. But america sure dose... Vietnam, Cold War, and now the Iraq all this "terrorismitic" things going on. Who is the terrorist ? america or Sadam Husein ? How many americans in USA have died from the hand of Sadam ? 0 how many americans have died from the hand of another americans back in 9/11 ? SO MANY :O Osama ? Dose realy he killed all this ppl or this was something planed long ago lol ?
Thats why I dont have respect...

Back in the end of WW 2.. they want to test the A-bomb, now they want the Oil from middle asia.. who knows what happens tomorrow ?

[Xyzzzy]

you can Google "US wanted Pearl Harbor" and find tons of info on the topic

Just as you can Google "US carried out and planned 9/11" or "Holocaust didn't happen". Just because something has lots of supporters does not mean it is true in any sense what so ever. There are people who believe in a freaking spaghetti monster! That doesn't mean it is true.
There are several things I can think of that are a load of horse shit that millions believe in >.>

[Valkasdar]

Like it or not the Russians were one the primary reasons why the bomb was used. The Americans wanted to stop the Russians from further expanding their power as had happened in Eastern Europe and had to end the pacific theatre as fast possible before Russia could seriously enter the fray and stake a claim to lands. Similar to how Germany was being divided up. Even though they were allies, it was more a mutual enemy than any idealogical similarities that put them on the same side. The other reason was, as stated earlier, a simple show of force to the Russians (and anyone else) that we have this much power, don't overstep your bounds we're on the scene now. It wasn't until this point that the Americans became a real global power. In World War one it wasn't yet the industrial power that it became after WW2, heck us Canadians had as large a part in the outcome of WW1 as the US did. But after WW1 the US became an isolationist country with no one wanting to get involved in anything outside their own borders, then throw in the Great Depression and they couldn't worry about anything outside their borders, but all that changed with WW2.

So you wanna blame anyone for Iraq blame the Axis powers jk

Actually Russians have A-bomb too back in those days but their heads are smart enough to not use it. And still they own america in so many ways, they have Oil deep in the Tundra, they have so many resources, maybe they dont control the world market and etc. But after all this is why america is so "popular" nvm this this goes to another topic.

[Xyzzzy]

Back in the end of WW 2.. they want to test the A-bomb, now they want the Oil from middle asia.. who knows what happens tomorrow ?

Alright. Let's assume you're right. The US dropped multi million dollar bombs for shits and giggles. Let's follow that path of logic. The U.S. bombs other countries right? No. It never happened.
Obviously they wanted to see how a bomb worked, thats human nature. What they would not have done is killed hundreds of thousands of people for sheer experimentation. If that was the case then what was the point of all the testings in the deserts of Nevada?

[Valkasdar]

I think this debat is useless... some of you even change the whole history nvm this.
You cannot change anything with this debat its endless, you cannot make me thinking america is powerful or great... no one can not make me thing america is not guilty for what happens in Japan or what is happening now.
All we do in this threat is giving facts and facts... and more facts and all this facts is faceing that America killed milions of ppl with no reason after the war is over. Hitler have some reason after all he hates them lol (joke..) so imo america = hitler there is no differenses.

[Valkasdar]

Back in the end of WW 2.. they want to test the A-bomb, now they want the Oil from middle asia.. who knows what happens tomorrow ?

Alright. Let's assume you're right. The US dropped multi million dollar bombs for shits and giggles. Let's follow that path of logic. The U.S. bombs other countries right? No. It never happened.
Obviously they wanted to see how a bomb worked, thats human nature. What they would not have done is killed hundreds of thousands of people for sheer experimentation. If that was the case then what was the point of all the testings in the deserts of Nevada?

So in your logic, if I make some holy-moly-super-duper kind-a weapon. And test it on frogs, after that on rabbits and finish it. If I kill you, your mom, your dad, all your friends all your town...

... will be just fine right ? Will be OK Every one will be smileing and all will be happy that I was so smart to do that. Hmm I think there is something wrong here

[PhoenixRider]

The atomic bomb prevented millions of casualties from happening, both Japanese and American (possibly Russian too). There was no other solution to a nation hardened and ready to fight to the last woman and child.

Failure in logic.

It caused millions of casualties.

[Puma60]

The dropping of the 2 nuclear bombs could so easily have started a nuclear war. What if Japan reacted...by nuking America?

I dont know all the facts, however i think the 2 bombs were necessary. The japanese soldiers were some harsh folk, the amount of people they tortured then killed is really something.

[Xyzzzy]

I think this debat is useless... some of you even change the whole history nvm this.
You cannot change anything with this debat its endless, you cannot make me thinking america is powerful or great... no one can not make me thing america is not guilty for what happens in Japan or what is happening now.
All we do in this threat is giving facts and facts... and more facts and all this facts is faceing that America killed milions of ppl with no reason after the war is over. Hitler have some reason after all he hates them lol (joke..) so imo america = hitler there is no differenses.

That is not true. Most people don't realize it, but we were fighting to totally separate wars. One with Germany and the Axis forces, which was officially won on May 7th, 1945.
At this point we still had to fight against Japan on our Western front in the Pacific.

>.>

I think why everyone is annoyed with your posts is that you seem to have it in your head that every nation is out for world domination! That every government in this world is corrupt and only cares about killing people, there is no actual point to their actions in your mind huh?

So in your logic, if I make some holy-moly-super-duper kind-a weapon. And test it on frogs, after that on rabbits and finish it. If I kill you, your mom, your dad, all your friends all your town...

... will be just fine right ? Will be OK Every one will be smileing and all will be happy that I was so smart to do that. Hmm I think there is something wrong here

You just took that completely out of context. The U.S. had performed full scale tests with these different types of bombs. They knew fully well what the bombs were capable off. They dropped the first bomb on an island. Not the mainland but an island. They told Japan: This is what we are capable of, surrender within three days, or we drop another bomb. Japan refused total surrender per our demands, so we stayed true to our word. We dropped the second bomb on another island. Still not mainland Japan. Thankfully this time Japan surrendered because now they knew we weren't dicking around.

What you said would just be senseless killing. I don't think many of you here want to admit it or not, but if the government of your country is going to be allowing a war to be fought on the home front, they are sacrificing their peoples readily. There is no saying "Yeah, let's fight in our country, but you can't try to cripple our economy, shipping lines, railways, or other important things because you might kill a civilian."

No, **** that you know its bullshit. Citizens of the country are just as much a part of the war as the people fighting it.

The dropping of the 2 nuclear bombs could so easily have started a nuclear war. What if Japan reacted...by nuking America?

Japan didn't have nuclear technology at that time. If Japan were to not surrender after the second bomb, our third war ready bomb, in the late construction phase, would have likely gone to a much more important target, probably to wipe out Japan's government for total take over of the country.

The atomic bomb prevented millions of casualties from happening, both Japanese and American (possibly Russian too). There was no other solution to a nation hardened and ready to fight to the last woman and child.

Failure in logic.

It caused millions of casualties.

The bombs were dropped on an island, we killed a lot less people than capable of. If we had invaded just as many if not more people would have died regardless.

[Valkasdar]

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