Joymax is actually going to ban bots??

[/Pi]

lol

Cruor doesnt actually play, so a banning wouldnt mean much to him, likewise trying to call him legit or not.

I wont defend him tho, Cruor is more than capable. ^^ He'd find this lulzy.

Whoa! Hold on. @_@

Just because a person doesn't regularly play the game, that doesn't mean he/she can just violate even the simplest of rules.

(I'm not taking any sides on pk2 editing, I'm just pointing out this questionable reasoning.)

[deep.in]

lol

Cruor doesnt actually play, so a banning wouldnt mean much to him, likewise trying to call him legit or not.

I wont defend him tho, Cruor is more than capable. ^^ He'd find this lulzy.

Whoa! Hold on. @_@

Just because a person doesn't regularly play the game, that doesn't mean he/she can just violate even the simplest of rules.

(I'm not taking any sides on pk2 editing, I'm just pointing out this questionable reasoning.)

LOL NightB, now you actually saying almost the same thing as Rainigul wrote in EB forum about Konpaku

[ThisIsAvalon]

inserts quote

your sig, reminds me of someone I know.

[deep.in]

inserts quote

your sig, reminds me of someone I know.

Well i just read that text in my head with weird tone of voice, and it sound very funny Just quoted it

[nightbloom]

lol

Cruor doesnt actually play, so a banning wouldnt mean much to him, likewise trying to call him legit or not.

I wont defend him tho, Cruor is more than capable. ^^ He'd find this lulzy.

Whoa! Hold on. @_@

Just because a person doesn't regularly play the game, that doesn't mean he/she can just violate even the simplest of rules.

(I'm not taking any sides on pk2 editing, I'm just pointing out this questionable reasoning.)

LOL NightB, now you actually saying almost the same thing as Rainigul wrote in EB forum about Konpaku

If SRF decides that PK2 editing is illegal, I doubt Cruor would try to deny he PK2 edits.

Botting, on the other hand, is plainly against the rules. I dont see how the two things are ANYTHING alike.

[deep.in]

lol

Cruor doesnt actually play, so a banning wouldnt mean much to him, likewise trying to call him legit or not.

I wont defend him tho, Cruor is more than capable. ^^ He'd find this lulzy.

LOL NightB, now you actually saying almost the same thing as Rainigul wrote in EB forum about Konpaku

If SRF decides that PK2 editing is illegal, I doubt Cruor would try to deny he PK2 edits.

Botting, on the other hand, is plainly against the rules. I dont see how the two things are ANYTHING alike.

Oh, sorry, i tought SRF bans for every JM TOS's broken rule...atleast for few days, as some ppl were banned some time ago. Looks like things changed, sorry again, my bad <3

[/Pi]

If SRF decides that PK2 editing is illegal, I doubt Cruor would try to deny he PK2 edits.

Botting, on the other hand, is plainly against the rules. I dont see how the two things are ANYTHING alike.

Both botting and pk2 editing have one thing in common: they give players an unfair advantage over another. The former is extremely obvious, while the latter gives the potential.

We've seen edits that give us previews for upcoming updates. We've seen edits of 9D and 10D weapons and defense items. We've seen edits of avatar dress, pets, etc. There are also edits for swearfilter to allow the "f u" syntax. There are also edits for fonts to distinguish "l" from I". Alas, we have edits to change mob textures to one vibrant color. We've seen edits that increase mob sizes such as Tiger Girl or Cerberus. Recently, we've also seen edits that reveal invisible players.

As we gain progress in PK2 editing, it starts to blur the sharp line between what's allowed and what's not. What we need now is to redraw that line and enforce this new rule. Either that, or abide to Joymax's rules.

[tedtwilliger]

srf is a forum. they dont have to have the same rules as joymax. they can do whatever the hell they want. end of discussion.

also it doesn't matter if they ban bots or not, what they need to do is stop them entering. no point banning something that will just be recreated.

[strangelove]

If SRF decides that PK2 editing is illegal, I doubt Cruor would try to deny he PK2 edits.

Botting, on the other hand, is plainly against the rules. I dont see how the two things are ANYTHING alike.

There's a PK2 edit being used that allows one to see rogues and wizards under stealth or invisible states without the need for any potions, fire skills, or or Euro skills. This gives people a great advantage when in combat with a player who uses these skills.

While PK2 edits are used by most for changing an avatars appearance, they're also used for more damaging reasons, which in the end accomplish the same goal bots do- giving a player the upper hand in the game by altering the client.

(I'm not saying people who PK2 edit should be banned, but explaining how as more is learned about PK2 edits, the advantages gained through some modifications can affect other players as well.)

[DarkJackal]

Can they be clicked while in stealth?

[strangelove]

Can they be clicked while in stealth?

Yep, fully clickable. =[

Got killed twice already by someone using this PK2 edit.

[Cruor]

As we gain progress in PK2 editing, it starts to blur the sharp line between what's allowed and what's not. What we need now is to redraw that line and enforce this new rule. Either that, or abide to Joymax's rules.

Botting and Cheating
Posts and statements supporting botting or cheating will be removed. Users posting arguments supporting botting or cheating will have their posting privileges removed at moderator discretion. THIS INCLUDES THE SRF VENT.

Pretty sure the line's been drawn here all along. It's not too farking hard to differentiate between what is and is not cheating. Besides, the kind of scum who would exploit PK2 editing to gain an unfair advantage are the same kind of scum who bot. They are one entity, not two.

Joymax could ban me by their precious ToS tomorrow, (if they hadn't already used it as toilet paper), and I couldn't care less. This game is full of shit anyway.

[nightbloom]

As we gain progress in PK2 editing, it starts to blur the sharp line between what's allowed and what's not. What we need now is to redraw that line and enforce this new rule. Either that, or abide to Joymax's rules.

Botting and Cheating
Posts and statements supporting botting or cheating will be removed. Users posting arguments supporting botting or cheating will have their posting privileges removed at moderator discretion. THIS INCLUDES THE SRF VENT.

Pretty sure the line's been drawn here all along. It's not too farking hard to differentiate between what is and is not cheating. Besides, the kind of scum who would exploit PK2 editing to gain an unfair advantage are the same kind of scum who bot. They are one entity, not two.

Joymax could ban me by their precious ToS tomorrow, (if they hadn't already used it as toilet paper), and I couldn't care less. This game is full of shit anyway.

That is the sweet little sparkle I first saw in Cruor's posts here in SRF. I knew you were one of mine from the get go.

[MrBow]

Oh, sorry, i tought SRF bans for every JM TOS's broken rule...atleast for few days, as some ppl were banned some time ago. Looks like things changed, sorry again, my bad <3

Our rules have never stated we follow JM's TOS

srf is a forum. they dont have to have the same rules as joymax. they can do whatever the hell they want. end of discussion.

+1

[ThisIsAvalon]

Lawl, Cruor's highest level is like 16, I dunno how pk2 editing will help him do anything pvp wise....

[deep.in]

Oh, sorry, i tought SRF bans for every JM TOS's broken rule...atleast for few days, as some ppl were banned some time ago. Looks like things changed, sorry again, my bad <3

Our rules have never stated we follow JM's TOS

srf is a forum. they dont have to have the same rules as joymax. they can do whatever the hell they want. end of discussion.

+1

Well then i'm confused. I understand about botting, but pk2?no-dc? is this breaking srf rules?tos?

mm?

[MrBow]

Well then i'm confused. I understand about botting, but pk2?no-dc? is this breaking srf rules?tos?
mm?

In short, PK2 editing is allowed, no-dc = 3rd party program therefore not allowed. I know many users disagree with the second, but please stick to the topic So yeah don't discuss it here

[Rush4Life]

Well then i'm confused. I understand about botting, but pk2?no-dc? is this breaking srf rules?tos?
mm?

In short, PK2 editing is allowed, no-dc = 3rd party program therefore not allowed. I know many users disagree with the second, but please stick to the topic So yeah don't discuss it here

but there are altered sro_client.exe's does that count as a 3rd party program?

[/Pi]

Botting and Cheating
Posts and statements supporting botting or cheating will be removed. Users posting arguments supporting botting or cheating will have their posting privileges removed at moderator discretion. THIS INCLUDES THE SRF VENT.

Pretty sure the line's been drawn here all along. It's not too farking hard to differentiate between what is and is not cheating. Besides, the kind of scum who would exploit PK2 editing to gain an unfair advantage are the same kind of scum who bot. They are one entity, not two.

You call that a line? It simply states that cheating is not allowed. Does it go further as to what is considered cheating? Any definition of "unfair advantage"? The rules of this message board, as I like to believe, stands on two pillars: 1.) Protect the players (members); and 2.) Promote fair gameplay. The former resulted to the prohibition of posting suspicious links that might lead members to botting sites/forums, or viruses. As for the latter: we're both adults here and, to some extent, we do know what cheating is and what is not.

However, not all members possess the same level of understanding that we have. There are members who are confused on the no-DC policy. There are a few who are uncomfortable on the abusefilter edits. There are others who have problems with macros. We know cases where we can easily point the unfair advantage. However, there are also cases where it's a blur.

[PR0METHEUS]

The thing about no-dc and pk2 editing is, they both involve modifying the SRO client. Client editing is against Joymax TOS. Of course, that doesn't mean client editing in general, or specifically no-dc and/or pk2 have to be against SRF policy.

Clearly no-dc gives an unfair advantage, albeit small, so it shouldn't be allowed here.

PK2 editing is definitely modifying the silkroad client, which is against Joymax's TOS. However, SRF doesn't care about that, from what I've seen. Instead of outright banning pk2 editing, they allow it here for the most part.

Now I think if members here at SRF started using pk2 editing to cheat, making invisible wizards visible, making Tiger Girl the size of Hotan City itself... maybe SRF mods (correct me if I'm wrong) might have something to say about that. Although, you can't really catch someone for a client-side edit unless they post their own screenshot.

I think some pk2 editing should be ok on SRF, like changing your grey wolf to a white one, or the swear filter, or similar things that have absolutely zero effect on others and give you no advantage over others.

[Belgarath]

To those of you who assume Cruor has an unfair advantage:

Cruor's characters
1. Cruor on Venice- lvl 5x blader abandoned many months ago. (HIGHEST)
2. LiuXue on Xian-lvl 3x blader abandoned months ago.

Cruor has only ever made a blade character. He hates all other builds.

Those are the ones I know off the top of my head.

Crour's PK2 Edits:
1. Uniques
2. Clothes
3. Mobs
4. Item Mall
5. Finding information to build SRA database

Harmful? Doubt it. Cheating? Doubt it. Everyone else has a stick up their ass? Yup.

[jabbers]

To those of you who assume Cruor has an unfair advantage:

Cruor's characters
1. Cruor on Venice- lvl 5x blader abandoned many months ago. (HIGHEST)
2. LiuXue on Xian-lvl 3x blader abandoned months ago.

Cruor has only ever made a blade character. He hates all other builds.

Those are the ones I know off the top of my head.

Crour's PK2 Edits:
1. Uniques
2. Clothes
3. Mobs
4. Item Mall
5. Finding information to build SRA database

Harmful? Doubt it. Cheating? Doubt it. Everyone else has a stick up their ass? Yup.

better a stick than a log

[loveisintheair]

I think some pk2 editing should be ok on SRF, like changing your grey wolf to a white one, or the swear filter, or similar things that have absolutely zero effect on others and give you no advantage over others.

Highly subjective.

[PR0METHEUS]

I think some pk2 editing should be ok on SRF, like changing your grey wolf to a white one, or the swear filter, or similar things that have absolutely zero effect on others and give you no advantage over others.

Highly subjective.

Good point. Other people may be offended by swearing, but that doesn't give the swearer an unfair advantage.

[/Pi]

I think some pk2 editing should be ok on SRF, like changing your grey wolf to a white one, or the swear filter, or similar things that have absolutely zero effect on others and give you no advantage over others.

You pretty much hit what I was leading to. It is the subjectivity of certain "advantages" or "disadvantages" that can never be solved.

For example, the swear filter, at first glance, may not give an advantage, but in dire circumstances of communication, it can impair gameplay. I've experienced it myself - in having to pause after my sentence is filtered out just to figure out what I said wrong. That stupid "f u" string is usually the case.

Another would be the Zoom Hack modification. Sure, it allows you to just zoom out really far but from what I heard that's all that it can do. It's a modification of the client, yet, correct me if I'm wrong, there seems to be no advantage in using it. The only possible harm is that this tool is usually clumped with botting, multiclient, etc.

To sum it up: to the farthest levels, we cannot make a sharp dividing line. We'll have to just ignore these minor advantages and disadvantages until they pose as a threat.

EDIT:

To those of you who assume Cruor has an unfair advantage:

In case I'm one of "those" this post is directed to, I'll clear somethings up for the illiterate:

> I PK2 edit myself. I've done the simple replacements of pets and avatar items. I've exported files from kSRO and imported them to iSRO to see the 10D. I've changed the font to distinguish "I" from "l". I've even edited the game's textures.
> More importantly, I've never accused Cruor for possessing an unfair advantage. I've kept ad hominem attacks at bay (until now ) and focused generally on the rules.

[Airbeat]

Is it really possible to pk2 edit the swear filter?
I'd really like that. Not to swear like shit, but sometimes when you write, the chat will block it, coz u wrote something harmless like " f u " in a sentence..

[Rikusaki]

I'm scared! I don't buy silk cuz i don't wanna! Will i get banned?

if you bot, BANHAMMER!!!

lol but i don't

[PR0METHEUS]

I'm scared! I don't buy silk cuz i don't wanna! Will i get banned?

if you bot, BANHAMMER!!!

lol but i don't

Well legits that don't buy silk (such as myself) won't get banned. There's no reason for a ban. Why would you be worried about getting banned if you are legit?

I'm not accusing^^

[Rikusaki]

if you bot, BANHAMMER!!!

lol but i don't

Well legits that don't buy silk (such as myself) won't get banned. There's no reason for a ban. Why would you be worried about getting banned if you are legit?

I'm not accusing^^

Cuz I got banned before and I didn't even do anything! I'm scared that it might happen again!