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[ThisIsAvalon]

Lol at 51 Str Force Deity >_>...

Still it's Full Int prob with garms and with Clerics and Warrior buffs for backup, if you get super buffs why can't we?, which will pretty much make the damage a lot lower and with garms the MP cost won't matter.

You can have all those buffs. But so would the wizard. The facts still are that wizards do twice the damage that a chinese spear does, at any cap. When your ice shield runs out, your a 1 shot. When its up, 3 shot. Not even that, but since wizards nukes have such a huge AoE, its pretty much the whole party getting 3 shot.

[NuclearSilo]

that 120% mastery increase of wizard is just bug. It doesnt suppose to have it. I never see a wizard overpowered in ksro (at least till now)...

The difference between a chinese and an european is the pot delay and dmg.

Euro pt can survive IF only they got all the buffs from each other classes. Most of the buff last only for 1 min. So after 1 min, this party is like dead and have to stay in safe zone to wait for cooldown.

If euro can pwn chinese within 1 min, let's say they'll win. The special of chinese is tanking with pot. If the fight last long, chinese will win. Obviously we have to kill the cleric first. Without cleric, euro pt is considered dead. Because chinese type of fighting is alone, so even if 1 member die, other can still go on continue to fight. After the cleric would be the warrior killed, euro pt would die.

Do u really think u can survive if 8 bowmans attack with strongbow from 25m range, 20% of them do crit?

Let's say u got all buffs so the bow can only hit u 1k dmg (we're talking about cap 80) each 2.5s and u have 10k HP with full blue.
So after 5s, u'll be dmg 16k HP. Survive? Note that u dont know when they come because bow is fast and has far range so u dont have time to heal.

Have u ever see a bow with drug of typhoon running around and ghost walk to up to right corner of the screen? Not mention u have a lag pc and misclick the target.

Okay, lets talk about mana shield now if you want...... sigh.... At the 140 cap, a chinese nuker has a few choices for mastery:

Fire 140/Light 140/Ice 20 - Gets a 20% ice shield

Light 140/Weapon 140/Ice 20 - Gets a 20% ice shield

Light 140/Ice 140/Whatever 20 - Gets a huge shield.


Those are 3 main builds that will be in 140 cap for chinese int. Lets say its the 3rd build. Ice shield lasts for 120 secs, right? Bless spell lasts for 45 seconds. The wizard casts bless, you cast ice. That means you have 45 extra seconds of ice shield that the wizard isnt blessed. Assuming you maxxed ice shield, you would be taking 70% of the dmg dealt to you MP. How would you be able to nuke with 30% mp left? Nukers at the 80 cap have 20k mp max, take away 70%, and your at 6000. Level 80 nuke takes 3500 mp, and imbue takes 1600. You would get nukes twice by the wizard, and then anything after that will leave you not being able to attack back, or just plain dead.

Fire nukes have 330% at the cap, while ice nukes only have 300%. So, if you went ice for the SNOW SHIELD, you will be SACRIFICING DAMAGE.



Chinese nukes arent stronger then euro nukes. They both have the same magical attack, but euros have higher % on their nukes. Lava trap does (439%), same as Meteor (439%). EarthQuake is at (390%). The closest a chinese nuke comes is 330%.

wait, wait here. We are talking about a party fight right?
Then our warrior and bard and cleric just let the wizard take away 70% of our nuker's MP easily like that?

[ThisIsAvalon]

My party:
Full Str Glaive Fire/Light/Heuskal/Ice - 80/80/80/60 - Wearing Protector
2 Full STR Bow Users Fire/Light/Bow/Ice - 80/80/80/60 - One wearing Armor, the other wearing Garments
Warlock/Cleric - 80/80
Warrior/Cleric - 80/80 - Wearing Garments
Rogue/Warrior - 80/80 - Wearing Light Armor
Cleric/Bard - 80/80
Bard/Wizard - 80/80

Buffs casted: Everyone has Holy Spell casted on them. Healing Orbit is also casted. The typical Chinese buffs including snow shield. Chinese chars also have detection skill casted. Bard/Wizard has mag def song casted. Cleric has buffs on the 3 Chinese chars and the Bard. Scream Mask is casted on the Pure Str Glaive and also on the Cleric/Bard. The Bow user is in armor and has Fire Wall casted at a safe attackable range. The Bow User in Garments has Ice Wall casted at an attackable range. The Warrior in Garments has the Fences casted on the Warlock/Cleric and the Cleric/Bard. The Warrior in Armor has Fences casted on the Bard/Wizard and the Bow user in Armor.

Ready to be casted: Basically everything you listed.

Being on the offensive, how shall I start....

My Cleric/Bard leads the way to attack your Cleric with absolute damage attacks....
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Okay, lets just take out all the variables.


Warlock/Cleric - 80/80
Warrior/Cleric - 80/80 - Wearing Garments
Rogue/Warrior - 80/80 - Wearing Light Armor
Cleric/Bard - 80/80
Bard/Wizard - 80/80


These 5 will be in every party pretty much. I wouldn't pick them, but since you did, lets roll with it. The other 3 are : pure str glavie and 2 pure str bows. Instead of 3 useless classes that are only good for knockback (the two bows) and one class that can only look pretty and throw in an occassional stun (the glavie), i'd add 2 wizards and another tank. The rogue can scorn the cleric/bard thats trying to do absolute attacks on my party, making him useless while 2 fully buffed wizards just rape.


Why add useless classes to a party when you can add super damage classes? Your party cant do ANY damage at all, except absolute and chinese STR hits, which compared to euros are nothing. Only thing that you can do is warlock nukes and a rogue in Xbow xtreme.

wait, wait here. We are talking about a party fight right?
Then our warrior and bard and cleric just let the wizard take away 70% of our nuker's MP easily like that?

Screen cycle on the wizard, immortality. Bard will be 1 shot, because your warriors would be too busy buffing useless chinese nukers rather then buffing the important people.


And no, we arent talking about a party fight. We are comparing a chinese INT's damage to a euro Wizard, you guys seem to be bent on the idea that a chinese int does more damage then a wizard at the 140 cap.....lol....

[Barotix]

Sounds like Chess:

Single Scorn, with my rogue who has DD off. Rogue takes dmg and is healed by Cycle shortly.

Your move.

EDIT: slaughter is most fun when the oppositions doesn't see it coming.

[ThisIsAvalon]

Sounds like Chess:

Single Scorn, with my rogue who has DD off.

Your move.

Lol.


Its no fun playing chess when your opponent chooses to replace his queen + 2 bishops with 3 pawns though, its more like slaughter then...

[BloodOwnzzz]

My party:
Full Str Glaive Fire/Light/Heuskal/Ice - 80/80/80/60 - Wearing Protector
2 Full STR Bow Users Fire/Light/Bow/Ice - 80/80/80/60 - One wearing Armor, the other wearing Garments
Warlock/Cleric - 80/80
Warrior/Cleric - 80/80 - Wearing Garments
Rogue/Warrior - 80/80 - Wearing Light Armor
Cleric/Bard - 80/80
Bard/Wizard - 80/80

Buffs casted: Everyone has Holy Spell casted on them. Healing Orbit is also casted. The typical Chinese buffs including snow shield. Chinese chars also have detection skill casted. Bard/Wizard has mag def song casted. Cleric has buffs on the 3 Chinese chars and the Bard. Scream Mask is casted on the Pure Str Glaive and also on the Cleric/Bard. The Bow user is in armor and has Fire Wall casted at a safe attackable range. The Bow User in Garments has Ice Wall casted at an attackable range. The Warrior in Garments has the Fences casted on the Warlock/Cleric and the Cleric/Bard. The Warrior in Armor has Fences casted on the Bard/Wizard and the Bow user in Armor.

Ready to be casted: Basically everything you listed.

Being on the offensive, how shall I start....

My Cleric/Bard leads the way to attack your Cleric with absolute damage attacks....
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Okay, lets just take out all the variables.


Warlock/Cleric - 80/80
Warrior/Cleric - 80/80 - Wearing Garments
Rogue/Warrior - 80/80 - Wearing Light Armor
Cleric/Bard - 80/80
Bard/Wizard - 80/80


These 5 will be in every party pretty much. I wouldn't pick them, but since you did, lets roll with it. The other 3 are : pure str glavie and 2 pure str bows. Instead of 3 useless classes that are only good for knockback (the two bows) and one class that can only look pretty and throw in an occassional stun (the glavie), i'd add 2 wizards and another tank. The rogue can scorn the cleric/bard thats trying to do absolute attacks on my party, making him useless while 2 fully buffed wizards just rape.


Why add useless classes to a party when you can add super damage classes? Your party cant do ANY damage at all, except absolute and chinese STR hits, which compared to euros are nothing. Only thing that you can do is warlock nukes and a rogue in Xbow xtreme.

wait, wait here. We are talking about a party fight right?
Then our warrior and bard and cleric just let the wizard take away 70% of our nuker's MP easily like that?

Screen cycle on the wizard, immortality. Bard will be 1 shot, because your warriors would be too busy buffing useless chinese nukers rather then buffing the important people.


And no, we arent talking about a party fight. We are comparing a chinese INT's damage to a euro Wizard, you guys seem to be bent on the idea that a chinese int does more damage then a wizard at the 140 cap.....lol....

It's his build... Not yours to mess with lol...

And you should have destroyed the Fire Wall with the Wizards and have your Warriors Sprint Assault + Kb the bowers. The damage from the absolute is doesn't matter it will be healed to fast.

[ThisIsAvalon]

It's his build... Not yours to mess with lol...

Its also my responsibility to tell you that the world isn't flat, my friend. Its your choice to listen or not.

[NuclearSilo]

My party:
Full Str Glaive Fire/Light/Heuskal/Ice - 80/80/80/60 - Wearing Protector
2 Full STR Bow Users Fire/Light/Bow/Ice - 80/80/80/60 - One wearing Armor, the other wearing Garments
Warlock/Cleric - 80/80
Warrior/Cleric - 80/80 - Wearing Garments
Rogue/Warrior - 80/80 - Wearing Light Armor
Cleric/Bard - 80/80
Bard/Wizard - 80/80

Buffs casted: Everyone has Holy Spell casted on them. Healing Orbit is also casted. The typical Chinese buffs including snow shield. Chinese chars also have detection skill casted. Bard/Wizard has mag def song casted. Cleric has buffs on the 3 Chinese chars and the Bard. Scream Mask is casted on the Pure Str Glaive and also on the Cleric/Bard. The Bow user is in armor and has Fire Wall casted at a safe attackable range. The Bow User in Garments has Ice Wall casted at an attackable range. The Warrior in Garments has the Fences casted on the Warlock/Cleric and the Cleric/Bard. The Warrior in Armor has Fences casted on the Bard/Wizard and the Bow user in Armor.

Ready to be casted: Basically everything you listed.

Being on the offensive, how shall I start....

My Cleric/Bard leads the way to attack your Cleric with absolute damage attacks....
[/color]

Okay, lets just take out all the variables.


Warlock/Cleric - 80/80
Warrior/Cleric - 80/80 - Wearing Garments
Rogue/Warrior - 80/80 - Wearing Light Armor
Cleric/Bard - 80/80
Bard/Wizard - 80/80


These 5 will be in every party pretty much. I wouldn't pick them, but since you did, lets roll with it. The other 3 are : pure str glavie and 2 pure str bows. Instead of 3 useless classes that are only good for knockback (the two bows) and one class that can only look pretty and throw in an occassional stun (the glavie), i'd add 2 wizards and another tank. The rogue can scorn the cleric/bard thats trying to do absolute attacks on my party, making him useless while 2 fully buffed wizards just rape.


Why add useless classes to a party when you can add super damage classes? Your party cant do ANY damage at all, except absolute and chinese STR hits, which compared to euros are nothing. Only thing that you can do is warlock nukes and a rogue in Xbow xtreme.

wait, wait here. We are talking about a party fight right?
Then our warrior and bard and cleric just let the wizard take away 70% of our nuker's MP easily like that?

Screen cycle on the wizard, immortality. Bard will be 1 shot, because your warriors would be too busy buffing useless chinese nukers rather then buffing the important people.


And no, we arent talking about a party fight. We are comparing a chinese INT's damage to a euro Wizard, you guys seem to be bent on the idea that a chinese int does more damage then a wizard at the 140 cap.....lol....

Because warrior is useless and we chinese dont need tanker. We need a bard that increase 50% of physical damage.
So 7 bows + 1 bard. Each hit u 1.5k*7=10.5k dmg each 2.5s. Able to survive?

[BloodOwnzzz]

I'm not a big riddle person tbh... =|

[Da_Realest]

Sounds like Chess:

Single Scorn, with my rogue who has DD off. Rogue takes dmg and is healed by Cycle shortly.

Your move.

My bow user in Armor with Fire Wall casted focuses attack on your Rogue...

[Barotix]

Da_Realist has a tanker though, and without a tanker the bard is a 1 shot.

Sounds like Chess:

Single Scorn, with my rogue who has DD off. Rogue takes dmg and is healed by Cycle shortly.

Your move.

My bow user in Armor with Fire Wall casted focuses attack on your Rogue...

I don't understand.. could you say which move the bow used? ( i said single, as in: normal scorn not gross scorn)

Assuming KB hits, scorn is canceled: switch to Xbow use KB (move name escapes me) on archer, followed up by KD(assuming it hits 2x 50% each 100%): switch to dagger activate DD scud to archer and prick for 40k. Warlock/Cleric stuns cleric/bard, Cleric cast Bless spell.

Your move.

[ThisIsAvalon]

So 7 bows + 1 bard. Each hit u 1.5k*7=10.5k dmg each 2.5s. Able to survive?

Again, you bring up a euro class. We are comparing a chinese nuker vs a euro wizard, and which one would be more beneficial in a party. Your 7 bows wouldn't hit 1.5k, they would hit 100 dmg. Theres something called a "bless cycle", and a "screen cycle", if you played a euro from 1-80 you would realize how much it helps. Running around with 3000 phy defence helps out. You should try out the euro build sometime. Actually try it out, no powerleveling, grind from level 1-80 in a 8 man party.



As long as you realize that a Euro wizard > Chinese nuker in damage, not tanking ability or whatever, thats all im arguing about. After that, you guys can go on for hours.

[BloodOwnzzz]

My party:
Full Str Glaive Fire/Light/Heuskal/Ice - 80/80/80/60 - Wearing Protector
2 Full STR Bow Users Fire/Light/Bow/Ice - 80/80/80/60 - One wearing Armor, the other wearing Garments
Warlock/Cleric - 80/80
Warrior/Cleric - 80/80 - Wearing Garments
Rogue/Warrior - 80/80 - Wearing Light Armor
Cleric/Bard - 80/80
Bard/Wizard - 80/80

Buffs casted: Everyone has Holy Spell casted on them. Healing Orbit is also casted. The typical Chinese buffs including snow shield. Chinese chars also have detection skill casted. Bard/Wizard has mag def song casted. Cleric has buffs on the 3 Chinese chars and the Bard. Scream Mask is casted on the Pure Str Glaive and also on the Cleric/Bard. The Bow user is in armor and has Fire Wall casted at a safe attackable range. The Bow User in Garments has Ice Wall casted at an attackable range. The Warrior in Garments has the Fences casted on the Warlock/Cleric and the Cleric/Bard. The Warrior in Armor has Fences casted on the Bard/Wizard and the Bow user in Armor.

Ready to be casted: Basically everything you listed.

Being on the offensive, how shall I start....

My Cleric/Bard leads the way to attack your Cleric with absolute damage attacks....
[/color]

Okay, lets just take out all the variables.


Warlock/Cleric - 80/80
Warrior/Cleric - 80/80 - Wearing Garments
Rogue/Warrior - 80/80 - Wearing Light Armor
Cleric/Bard - 80/80
Bard/Wizard - 80/80


These 5 will be in every party pretty much. I wouldn't pick them, but since you did, lets roll with it. The other 3 are : pure str glavie and 2 pure str bows. Instead of 3 useless classes that are only good for knockback (the two bows) and one class that can only look pretty and throw in an occassional stun (the glavie), i'd add 2 wizards and another tank. The rogue can scorn the cleric/bard thats trying to do absolute attacks on my party, making him useless while 2 fully buffed wizards just rape.


Why add useless classes to a party when you can add super damage classes? Your party cant do ANY damage at all, except absolute and chinese STR hits, which compared to euros are nothing. Only thing that you can do is warlock nukes and a rogue in Xbow xtreme.

wait, wait here. We are talking about a party fight right?
Then our warrior and bard and cleric just let the wizard take away 70% of our nuker's MP easily like that?

Screen cycle on the wizard, immortality. Bard will be 1 shot, because your warriors would be too busy buffing useless chinese nukers rather then buffing the important people.


And no, we arent talking about a party fight. We are comparing a chinese INT's damage to a euro Wizard, you guys seem to be bent on the idea that a chinese int does more damage then a wizard at the 140 cap.....lol....

Because warrior is useless and we chinese dont need tanker. We need a bard that increase 50% of physical damage.
So 7 bows + 1 bard. Each hit u 1.5k*7=10.5k dmg each 2.5s. Able to survive?

8 Bowers with Ice Wall all take a single target and spam KB's back to back, beat that shit.

[Da_Realest]

Da_Realist has a tanker though, and without a tanker the bard is a 1 shot.

Sounds like Chess:

Single Scorn, with my rogue who has DD off. Rogue takes dmg and is healed by Cycle shortly.

Your move.

My bow user in Armor with Fire Wall casted focuses attack on your Rogue...

I don't understand.. could you say which move the bow used? ( i said single, as in: normal scorn not gross scorn)

Oh ok. Arrow Combo is used.

[Barotix]

Screen cycle on the wizard, immortality. Bard will be 1 shot, because your warriors would be too busy buffing useless chinese nukers rather then buffing the important people.


And no, we arent talking about a party fight. We are comparing a chinese INT's damage to a euro Wizard, you guys seem to be bent on the idea that a chinese int does more damage then a wizard at the 140 cap.....lol....

Because warrior is useless and we chinese dont need tanker. We need a bard that increase 50% of physical damage.
So 7 bows + 1 bard. Each hit u 1.5k*7=10.5k dmg each 2.5s. Able to survive?

8 Bowers with Ice Wall all take a single target and spam KB's back to back, beat that shit.[/quote]

3 rogues with continous bless and healing cycle/division gross scorn. 3 wizard/clerics ohko

[NuclearSilo]

Bard low HP can stay in safe zone and play music <- this one love peace.

Surrounding 70.0m!

U are attacked from far away:
- u dont have time to realized who attack, where the attack is comming from
- u dont know who I attack first to heal, to cast protect buff
- u are not always ready to buff, coz your skills last for only 1 min and u dont want to waste it.
- your pt has to be stick together, so u'll be mostly in defensive mode, while bower always in offensive mode.

With 80% KB of bow combo, your pt will hardly casts any skills.

SO as u say 4 clerics will give a continous bless, immortal pt. None pt can kill none. End of story. Go home and have fun with your wife in the bed rather than joining a boring war.

[Astra]

Because warrior is useless and we chinese dont need tanker. We need a bard that increase 50% of physical damage.
So 7 bows + 1 bard. Each hit u 1.5k*7=10.5k dmg each 2.5s. Able to survive?

There's always 35% probability to commit suicide with that combo if the enemy has a warlock 80lv.

[Barotix]

Bard low HP can stay in safe zone and play music <- this one love peace.

Surrounding 70.0m!

U are attacked from far away:
- u dont have time to realized who attack, where the attack is comming from
- u dont know who I attack first to heal, to cast protect buff
- u are not always ready to buff, coz your skills last for only 1 min and u dont want to waste it.
- your pt has to be stick together, so u'll be mostly in defensive mode, while bower always in offensive mode.

With 80% KB of bow combo, your pt will hardly casts any skills.

SO as u say 4 clerics will give a continous bless, immortal pt. None pt can kill none. End of story. Go home and have fun with your wife in the bed rather than joining a boring war.

Most basic buffs last from 10 mins - 30 mins.
EDIT: Da_Realist, read my edit.

[BloodOwnzzz]

8 Bowers with Ice Wall all take a single target and spam KB's back to back, beat that shit.

3 rogues with continous bless and healing cycle/division gross scorn. 3 wizard/clerics ohko

Farking Rogues IMO.

So much happening at once omg...

[ThisIsAvalon]

Its so simple, tanks go after the 2 bowmen ---> knockdown, stun, knockback while wizards kill the rest of the party. Pure euro party > Mixed.

[BloodOwnzzz]

Its so simple, tanks go after the 2 bowmen ---> knockdown, stun, knockback while wizards kill the rest of the party. Pure euro party > Mixed.

Well a shitty mixed like that yeh. You can basically make a Mixed party that is the equivalent to a Euro party as long as you have 2 Warriors and a Cleric. Fill in the gaps from there and your party is invincible end of discussion. If it is not invincible then most Euro parties wouldn't be either.

[NuclearSilo]

8 Bowers with Ice Wall all take a single target and spam KB's back to back, beat that shit.

3 rogues with continous bless and healing cycle/division gross scorn. 3 wizard/clerics ohko

Then I'd choose a full pt cleric/wizard with continous bless. 8 wizards put 40 fire traps in the grounds, then change to cleric to do Offering or absolute damage.

Its so simple, tanks go after the 2 bowmen ---> knockdown, stun, knockback while wizards kill the rest of the party. Pure euro party > Mixed.

What? Go after that easy? Cant even touch the skin of the bowman
Look @ 2:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JQqRkXXO5o

[Barotix]

8 Bowers with Ice Wall all take a single target and spam KB's back to back, beat that shit.

3 rogues with continous bless and healing cycle/division gross scorn. 3 wizard/clerics ohko

Then I'd choose a full pt cleric/wizard with continous bless. 8 wizards put 40 fire traps in the grounds, then change to cleric to do Offering or absolute damage.

Anti Cleric/Wizard Party: 8/8 cleric/wizard Teleport Behind enemy lines, group invisible: Absolute AoE: Death.... next

[Da_Realest]

Assuming KB hits, scorn is canceled: switch to Xbow use KB (move name escapes me) on archer, followed up by KD(assuming it hits 2x 50% each 100%): switch to dagger activate DD scud to archer and prick for 40k. Warlock/Cleric stuns cleric/bard, Cleric cast Bless spell.

Your move.

1. This bow user is in Armor not Garments like a typical bow user. Not to mention the Fences casted on my Armor Bow user. You're not hitting 40k even with a critical.
2. You can't kd or knockback an opponent that has a wall casted.

With that said, your Rogue won't kill me. So you may want to rethink that step.. If not, I can continue.

[BloodOwnzzz]

8 Wizards keep up perma Party Invisible and then when your party least expects it AoE's the shit out of you. Beat that shit!

[NuclearSilo]

Anti Cleric/Wizard Party: 8/8 cleric/wizard Teleport Behind enemy lines, group invisible: Absolute AoE: Death.... next

Invisible? What is pk2 edit for?

[Da_Realest]

8 Wizards keep up perma Party Invisible and then when your party least expects it AoE's the shit out of you. Beat that shit!

8 Warlocks using stealth detect pots keeping Advance Reflect casted?

[BloodOwnzzz]

Lulz alright this all jokes real party maybe...

8 GLAIVERS WITH WARRIOR AND CLERIC BUFFS FROM A SEPARATE PARTY MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[NuclearSilo]

1 GM beat u all

[ThisIsAvalon]

What? Go after that easy? Cant even touch the skin of the bowman
Look @ 2:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JQqRkXXO5o

Oh, I didnt know that arrows combo have splash now. You can arrow combo BOTH my wizard and my tank at the same time? Wow, nice hacks....