hmm ok seriously this is my last post on this, no matter on who posts what after this, cause this is really getting us nowhere. ok im gonna repeat the same "ignorant" points.
its funny to me how science has all the right answers today, but when it comes to creation, they deny it with evolution, and when some valid points come up against it, they say hey its just a theory. Like the point hootsh was trying to make, u guys simply just try to be clever by using the onyl way u can respond when ur asked that how did it all start: some times its evolution, then how did that start, from amino acids, who came from asteroids bla bla which keeps going on and on. All u do is extend the issue by diverting away from an actual answer by saying how something specific came from something else, but now how EVERYTHING came to be. And when the issue of "abstract" thing comes, i honestly think whatever u guys said was bullshit. no offense. Nuklear was saying that either he hasn't done enough research on that kind of stuff or science hasn't gotten that far. its funny how science explains everything today and doesn't have enough info on creation???? Also, all these things u talk about who the world was created in 7 days and the women was created from the man's rib or whatever, u imply as if ur saying that for all of us, me and hootsh really, when actually i am muslim and im pretty sure hootsh is also. So instead of going against the Bible to make ur pt in this discussion, talk on what we believe and i would more appreciate it if u do.
not that it matters cause i REALLY intend to not post in this thread anymore.
Reise i respect u on whatever u said and that we are all entitle to our opinions. BUT Nuklear on the other hand however has a serious attitude issue, and i mean it. You cant talk calmly to others, u try to force ur opinion on em. i said before also, stop with the "pokes".
Reise u said "we should be thankful though..."...to who??? i mean i love the idea itself that religious pl can think a specific higher power for things that they or humans admittedly cannot do on their own. Who else can atheists thank for things that humans cant do? Chance? Your "chemical" things. I mean honestly how STUPID is it to think that all feelings, emotions, and abstract things just came to be? I just cant understand that and im sure u cant come up with any "sufficient proof" as u said to answer that without speaking some bullshit or that we haven't gotten the answer yet and we never will. well then keep guessing.
about the concept of time, i 100% agree with what someone here said that its a concept that man created himself for obvious reasons. but what other word is there to describe anything before the idea of keeping time came into man's head. For the sole purpose of arguing in this topic, we say time, so dont put ur way out of it. The point again goes to if the world was MADE/CREATED/ETC. at one specific point (happy i didnt say time now?
), then the SINGULARITY, which caused the big bang, which created the universe, asteroids, amino acids, LIFE, us, etc..., come from? where did that singularity come from? u guys just divert away from the answer cause there is NO answer at all besides a higher power or intelligent designer, or whatever u wana call it, creating it. Science can NEVER create life without using something already living maybe. But never make life out of nothing. Then how did the first LIFE, or amino acids if u wanna get into technicalities, come to be?
I dont go against what science has done for mankind, it is truly stunning indeed if u think how far we have come today compared to the beginning of mankind, homo sapiens, whatever. And when u say that why would GOD make science for us and give us knowledge going against him, and that "to test ur faith" is stupid...Well, im not sure but for the major monotheistic religions, or at least for Muslims, it is said that GOD created everything including evil, to indeed test our faith. I know (im not gonna use believe now, since like nuclear pointed out, I KNOW, which i believe he got from that youtube video lol, which is perfectly valid
)that Indeed GOD created science and made everything in the world so that we can understand it, but then we also have the choice of pride or faith, of thanking ourselves for everything we have done, or thanking ourselves and GOD for giving us that intellect. But that goes into all other topics.
But seriously, u call us ignorant and go into technicalities, nothing more. Technicalities which are intended to confuse it. Of course, i dont know alot of science, and we all should learn more science but that dont mean u can use that as an excuse to avoid the simplest of issues, and divert from the question by getting into technicalities which we dont know of, such as a lot of scientific theories, in order to confuse us. Nuklear u have avatar of Dr. Ron Paul, whom I admire for truly being the only honest person in the race this year, and yet u get into so many technicalities...something Ron Pual criticizes. Like he said instead of getting into these technicalities of who said what and asteroids , amino acids, theories, experiments, bla bla bla, answer the true question of where the "spark of life" came from. Where it all originated.
It may seem to u im dragging on the same question, but i in no way think u solved that question and im sure science will never be able to, and will always be saying that "we haven't got there yet, but we will eventually". Im glad that i know there is someone who is responsible for all that we know, and there is a higher being out there whom I can be thankful to for everything and hope for more understand of the world. But i truly pity u guys who don't understand the simpleness of the creation fo the world and get into complexions and technicalities. Whatever, like Reise said none of us will change our mind, which makes us all ignorant, but that doesn't make were all wrong. One of the sides is wrong, the other is right, simple as that. The fact that u dont respect what the other thinks and simply mock them is wrong, not really saying that all u guys do.
Well im out, if u guys feel like talking more , pm me. Ill be reading here occasionally bu t i intend this to be my last post in this thread. I hope none of us took any offenses against each others, and hope were all cool with each other
Off to other threads. Later.
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