Faith - False or?

[AngelMare]

If horses had gods, would they not be in the image of a horse?

God isnt like anything else ^^not horse or not even human .

i am not good with arguments , the logic style makes things sound true .. but still i believe lol^^ sorry for calling u an idiot , but u increase the ROFLing and LOLing , like u ARE an idiot .

[Vandall]

You actually have proof that a supernatural being exists? Wow, this is somewhat exciting. So, what's your proof?

I can pm you the name of a book if you really like.

[Vindicator]

1.

but you think some spirit creating a a universe and life from nothingness is more plausible than an explosion of matter resulting in billions and billions of masses to be scattered in all directions and forming what we now have as the universe?

Yes...yes I do
2.

pure chance and good luck allowed us to be where we are right now and survive on earth

I disagree chance and luck had nothing to do with it
3.

earth is not unique, we are not special. Life exists elsewhere in this universe

No life as intelligent as we are or smarter has been found yet....intersting huh? considering "The universe contains an unfathomable number of planets and stars and "celestial beings" that form solar systems and galaxies"

1 and 2 are your choices of rational.

But about number 3, quite plainly, humans are far too inferior and stupid to discover intelligent life yet. But for a truely educated man on the matter to believe that earth is the sole form of life in the entire universe, is pure madness. Dont blame me that humans havent even come close to exploring .001% of the universe with our fancy telescopes and other bs technology. When humans actually become advanced and get some real freaking technology to deal with the universe, then you can argue.

Billions and billions of tons of matter that exploded into a universe coming from where? From what? If you can believe the matter simply was there, then I am entitled to believe in God, just as much as you are, believing matter was always there, or had just popped out of nothing.

Well, personally, if you wanted an explanation of the universe, i believe it goes through ebs and flows. As the universe explodes, it is propelled in all directions at insanely high velocities. As time goes on, a couple billion years, the gravitational pull of the objects slows them down, and eventually they begin to return to the center of mass of the system, the point of explosion. Upon reaching the center, they again form a supermassive cluster and through the infinite energy present, the release is an explosion, and we begin all over. Our universe is still expanding, and we can still pick up the frequencies of a massive energy release a very long long time ago, hence the "explosion".
-is it true? probably not, but its as good a guess as anything else, including god.

who knows, maybe our big bang theory is about the universe, maybe its just our portion. Whos to say our big bang is the only one, and the universe is actually a cluster of big bangs?

Anyways, for the simple i suppose its much easier to subscribe to the notion that theres a man in the sky who is using us as his toys and created a large and great universe just for us simple, stupid, little humans. Then again...why couldn't god make the universe to function in this way? is it hard to believe for you people of faith that maybe god is intelligent and gives things form and function for a reason? Why couldn't he make the universe work the way science has so far discovered.

[Nuklear]

You actually have proof that a supernatural being exists? Wow, this is somewhat exciting. So, what's your proof?

I can pm you the name of a book if you really like.

Information or a quote would be preferable.

[Stress]

You actually have proof that a supernatural being exists? Wow, this is somewhat exciting. So, what's your proof?

Do you have proof that it does not?

[Vandall]

You actually have proof that a supernatural being exists? Wow, this is somewhat exciting. So, what's your proof?

I can pm you the name of a book if you really like.

Information or a quote would be preferable.

to long to quote...proving that there in fact is a G-d isn't a 1 page ordeal you know.

[Nuklear]

You actually have proof that a supernatural being exists? Wow, this is somewhat exciting. So, what's your proof?

Do you have proof that it does not?

I doesn't work like that. There's a theory that people believe in a supernatural entity. There needs to be proof or there's no reason to believe it's true. If you can't offer me proof you're just offering me a fairytale. There's no proof whatsoever that anything supernatural has ever existed. Period. Please get that through your skull.

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to long to quote...proving that there in fact is a G-d isn't a 1 page ordeal you know.

I don't know because there is no proof

[Judge]

You actually have proof that a supernatural being exists? Wow, this is somewhat exciting. So, what's your proof?

Do you have proof that it does not?

You have faith, we have empiricism.
@Vandall, there have been many books specifically devoted to the notion that the author proved god exist, but by proving 'its' existence doesn't the author strip 'it' of "it's" ambiguity and the 'faith' concept.
@Angel, I respect you for your strong faith.

[Tasdik]

To all of you Darwinian's out there, I highly recommend that you actually read a book on molecular biology and don't just base your opinions out of out-dated information you learned in your high school biology class.

Thanks to DNA and molecular biology, evolution has pretty much been scientifically disproven.

[Judge]

To all of you Darwinian's out there, I highly recommend that you actually read a book on molecular biology and don't just base your opinions out of out-dated information you learned in your high school biology class.

Thanks to DNA and molecular biology, evolution has pretty much been scientifically disproven.

You have yet to answer Nuklear's question, You have yet to write a rebuttal to my response, and now like a politician you are changing the subject and attempting to "sling mud".

I was not aware the American government started ignoring Christian institutions and taught evolution. Coming from a family indulged in the Sciences; i know the theory of evolution has yet to be dis-proven.

lol@calling us Darwinist because we choose to disagree with your faith.

[Reise]

wow, if you're basing your argument solely on those 2 passages then you fail. first of all the Bible isn't meant for people to literally take everything in it as accurately true. its meant to take meaning out of it for how to live a better life (its like a book of morality)

four corners of the earth isn't necessarily referring to the whole planet earth, it could be referring to a territory(asia, middle east, etc) and its boundaries
the end of all the earth from Daniel 4:11 is simply an emphasize on the height of the tree and can't be interpreted for saying that the earth si flat

You should watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FD_EAtVbiE

[Vandall]

@Reise: I can disprove (some of) their arguements lolz

[Reise]

I think the point is that nobody is right. Claiming you are is ridiculous, and asking for trouble. All we can think up is the stuff within religion and whatever theories might be floating around about how we all got here. Some theories are based on facts, same with some parts of religion. But there's still a huge amount of things in both that can be argued to death. I doubt anybody will ever really know, so claiming you do is just being stupid, believer or otherwise.

[Doron]

The universe is funny and all,

But just believe me, and everything'll be allright...

[Nuklear]

...same with some parts of religion.

Like what? o.O

[Judge]

...same with some parts of religion./quote]
Like what? o.O

I believe he is talking about the historical tidbits of religious books. A rather small amount.

[Reise]

...same with some parts of religion./quote]
Like what? o.O

I believe he is talking about the historical tidbits of religious books. A rather small amount.

Yeh.

[HyorunmarouZ]

I think the point is that nobody is right. Claiming you are is ridiculous, and asking for trouble. All we can think up is the stuff within religion and whatever theories might be floating around about how we all got here. Some theories are based on facts, same with some parts of religion. But there's still a huge amount of things in both that can be argued to death. I doubt anybody will ever really know, so claiming you do is just being stupid, believer or otherwise.

Listen to the man. There's no point in this

[Deadsolid]

Im thinking that in the future no matter how much time goes by and how many changes to society occur that people will still believe in a higher being. There are very few right now that are Atheistic.

Nothing has proved we are not alone in the galaxy.

And I think that either side (faith/religion and science) has equal ways to support their theories about the creation of earth.

[AngelMare]

do u think by putting ur opionions a believer will turn not ? or a non will turn to a believer ?
everyone thinks he is right , close this .

[Morgoth]

anyone know what the name of the theory is in which God designed life to evolve according to its environment?

[Tasdik]

close this .

I'm actually supprised * in a good way* that it hasn't be locked go us!

[Vandall]

anyone know what the name of the theory is in which God designed life to evolve according to its environment?

google maybe?

[Morgoth]

ya, i agree mods should lock this

[Judge]

anyone know what the name of the theory is in which God designed life to evolve according to its environment?

If you're referring to intelligent design; it is not a scientific theory, it is a view held by fundamentalist Christians who have invaded American institutions and attempt to pervert other views to make theirs sound scientific. Don't be fooled, intelligent design is far from a scientific theory. The fact that these over-zealous Christians attempt to have it taught in the American school system points to a misunderstanding of the purpose of science and everything related; and none of you have answered Nuklear's question or presented a rebuttal to my post.

Intelligent Design = Creationism; refer to Genesis, far from science. To think they honestly believe scientist are debating about intelligent design is laughable in itself.

[AngelMare]

lol .. what was his question ? i probably dont have answer though

[Pilot]

Religion is the core of all evil in this world. End of discussion.

[vindicated01]

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[Morgoth]

Religion is the core of all evil in this world. End of discussion.

I object!

[AngelMare]

Religion is the core of all evil in this world. End of discussion.

lol who ever said that , asking to not lie , not do any crimes or sins , something that u urself can feel its the right thing to do .
how can this be evil ? evil is something that humans bring when they chose diffrent passes than those they are supposed to follow , when they do that in wrong way , and likely insisting it , when they follow their own desires , and let their greedness rule them .. thats what is called " Evil " , Religeons always fight evil .