1v1. PvP. blade vs. glavie. Who wins? No-one say pot battle!

FyaDyu · Post by **FyaDyu** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:19 pm

I'm torn. I play for PvP really and am looking to start a new character. I've shopped around endlessly and have had several different opinions. I am looking to play this character seriously, farm up ridiculous amounts of SP and all the rest. I just have one final question. 1vs1, pvp, str/fire/blade vs str/fire/glavie. Yes, glavie hits harder. Yes, blade takes hits better. I'm leaning towards str/fire/blade methinks. I don't care about level speed or anything. Oh, and please don't say "whoevers got more potions.." Thats crap. Its like saying if they both had 10,000 pots then it would just take hours for the battle to finish, which is, of course, ridiculous. So, I am looking for some real unbiased expertise, if you will.

hellsharpt · Post by **hellsharpt** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:28 pm

All things being equal I say glaive. Damage output is higher and they have the tasty HP bonus. Both have a stun or knockdown, and the blader should have a good block rate to compensate. All it will take is one soul spear to crit and a follow up to finish the blader.

MetalMonster · Post by **MetalMonster** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:52 pm

well, i'd say glavier, bladers arent good in 1vs1 but they're very good in team combat, they basically run headfirst to take damage instead of others, so i'd take glavie, as mentioned above, if you manage to crit&stun with soul cut, then a follow up glavie move, they die

cuchulainn · Post by **cuchulainn** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:00 pm

All things being equal, no one wins.

Draw

POT FU.CKING BATTLE!

:banghead:

How many times do we have to say Str v. Str is a pot fight when gear is equal before people will stop asking?

Basically, you need better gear to win otherwise it's luck (multiple crits w/ no block or KD v. lots of KD and crits) and pots.

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:38 pm

In PVE its glaive by a long shot but in pvp....well this has been debated so many times and it just all comes down to opinions..

cuchulainn · Post by **cuchulainn** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:43 pm

DragonTalon wrote:In PVE its glaive by a long shot but in pvp....well this has been debated so many times and it just all comes down to opinions..

It's not opinion, it's fact. If gear is equal, it's a pot fight, otherwise the person with the great gear wins regardless of weapon.

Post by **Avalanche** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:13 am

its not a pot battle for me >.>

glavie wins =D

Devotia · Post by **Devotia** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:20 am

Pot battle.

If they have equal pots, crit battle. (slight advantage glaive)

If they have equal crits, weapon damage battle. (slight advantage glaive, usually)

If they have equal weapon damage, equipment battle. (slight blader advantage)

If they have equal equipment, buff battle. (slight glaiver advantage, since all things equal, he has less SP to spend on weapon skills)

Overall though, all it comes down to is luck. If the blader gets more knockdowns than the glaiver gets stuns, he wins. If not, he loses.

RaiKiRii · Post by **RaiKiRii** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:44 am

if you take away all pots i would say glaive.

hybrid sword has a chance to beat both though

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:18 am

RaiKiRii wrote:if you take away all pots i would say glaive.

hybrid sword has a chance to beat both though

please dont tell me your a hybrid sword

RaiKiRii · Post by **RaiKiRii** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:28 am

if you read replies to your posts, you would know that i obviously am not.

edit---------
just a fyi, i LOVE hybrid swords, however my post may sound like im offended by it. im not.

kitary · Post by **kitary** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:12 am

No that would be me actualy

and imo glaive vs blade pure str for both is a critt battle .

FyaDyu · Post by **FyaDyu** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:36 am

Thanks! I reckon after whats been said I'll probably go with glavie. Everyone's been real helpful and all. I know I'll grind faster with a glavie anyway. If I find a serious reason to go with blade for PvP I'll do it, but otherwise glavie's got my vote.

kuling110 · Post by **kuling110** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:13 pm

FyaDyu wrote:Thanks! I reckon after whats been said I'll probably go with glavie. Everyone's been real helpful and all. I know I'll grind faster with a glavie anyway. If I find a serious reason to go with blade for PvP I'll do it, but otherwise glavie's got my vote.

Yay!! Another fellow glavier...

FyaDyu · Post by **FyaDyu** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:40 pm

I'll be starting my character on the new server, whatever it will be called (any bets on Rome?). Anyone know the exact date when the new server will be up?

mKaaru · Post by **mKaaru** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:07 pm

go heavy hybrid int lvlcap
till level 16 a perfect hybrid build, so 1-2 and after just go pure int and you should have a 92% mag balance by lvl70 (try to keep it at 90 though and some statpoints to str)

create yourself a knockdown nuker with maxed bicheon lvl69 (knockdown and kd stab only) maxed light book2 nuke (66) and maxed fire book2 nuke (69), so far it's the most powerfull build i've ever seen and it DESTROYS pure glaive builds .... yes it just complete humiliates that overhyped build

ofcourse you need a high br shield, but kd that pure str a couple of times untill this hp should be around 50% and after nuke the sucker to his death, the autopot will NOT EVER keep up with the damage taken by the fire/light/fire nuke (yes great fast cooldown and makes these 3 nukes attack speed LETHAL anytime)

being a heavy int based char it doesn't mean that the sword won't do any less dmg with the kd or kd stab series, the phy att combined with your dangerous int based imbue and the couple of str points will superstrengthen that skill combo. besides that glaive will NOT be able to do anything but lay on the ground by the kd and take dmg every single time and not able to land that soul spear soul on you, and with that high br shield you can take any hit and have those crits miss their target. kd that sucker and lay those nukes on em, makes every pure str at lvl70 wheep

FyaDyu · Post by **FyaDyu** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:54 pm

hehe I'm already set on a pure str build. I dont like the idea of being a nuker. I want 1vs1 PvP mainly, and from what i've read, hybrids or indeed nukers in general aren't the best PvP builds. If I get a lot of feedback suggesting the opposite I might go with it though.

I might be wrong, but glavies can KD as well. I know nukers are good in groups with pure str builds, but 1vs1, soul spear soul and all that jazz should take a out a 92% int nuker hybrid, right?

I'm definitely going for a pure str build. It's just how I play, and how I want to play the game. What kind of pure str char I play is why I started this thread.

twin8620 · Post by **twin8620** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:29 pm

you guys are noobs. a fully farmed max lvl blade will kill any build in this game 1 on 1. knock down and triple stab FTW! don't believe me? heres a video of a korean blade tearing up glavies. the korean has a +3 blade and one of the glavies has sos. in end game glavies aren't the 1 on 1 rulers anymore. http://youtube.com/watch?v=60Bm9Xn5ejQ& ... d%20blader

kuling110 · Post by **kuling110** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:52 pm

mKaaru wrote:go heavy hybrid int lvlcap
till level 16 a perfect hybrid build, so 1-2 and after just go pure int and you should have a 92% mag balance by lvl70 (try to keep it at 90 though and some statpoints to str)

create yourself a knockdown nuker with maxed bicheon lvl69 (knockdown and kd stab only) maxed light book2 nuke (66) and maxed fire book2 nuke (69), so far it's the most powerfull build i've ever seen and it DESTROYS pure glaive builds .... yes it just complete humiliates that overhyped build

ofcourse you need a high br shield, but kd that pure str a couple of times untill this hp should be around 50% and after nuke the sucker to his death, the autopot will NOT EVER keep up with the damage taken by the fire/light/fire nuke (yes great fast cooldown and makes these 3 nukes attack speed LETHAL anytime)

being a heavy int based char it doesn't mean that the sword won't do any less dmg with the kd or kd stab series, the phy att combined with your dangerous int based imbue and the couple of str points will superstrengthen that skill combo. besides that glaive will NOT be able to do anything but lay on the ground by the kd and take dmg every single time and not able to land that soul spear soul on you, and with that high br shield you can take any hit and have those crits miss their target. kd that sucker and lay those nukes on em, makes every pure str at lvl70 wheep

You can't say he can't soul spear you, KD is only 50% chance, it's not 100% effective.. And by the time that KD misses, PWNED!!

twin8620 wrote:you guys are noobs. a fully farmed max lvl blade will kill any build in this game 1 on 1. knock down and triple stab FTW! don't believe me? heres a video of a korean blade tearing up glavies. the korean has a +3 blade and one of the glavies has sos. in end game glavies aren't the 1 on 1 rulers anymore. http://youtube.com/watch?v=60Bm9Xn5ejQ& ... d%20blader

lol man... Actually, I only saw him pwn 1 glavie, in the other fights, they were still fighting and I didn't see him win..Also, that glavie that he killed was wearing garm, while the blader was wearing armor... And remember that SoS polearm is only for lvl 64, which means that maybe the glavie was still 64 and the blade might be a higher lvl... And you can't say that a SoS glavie is stronger than that +3 blade, that +3 blade might be for a lvl 68 and added 3 which makes it stronger than a SoS glavie that is for 64..

twin8620 · Post by **twin8620** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:18 pm

are you blind? if i'm not mistaken the sos glavie is in full 8th degree garment. need to get your eyes checked man

kuling110 · Post by **kuling110** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:30 pm

twin8620 wrote:are you blind? if i'm not mistaken the sos glavie is in full 8th degree garment. need to get your eyes checked man

And?? That doesn't mean they are the same lvl... Also, armor takes more phy. damage than garm... That blader was also lame, he attacked while the glavie was still casting flame body extreme.. From what I've seen, he didn't defeat the glavie in armor...

Keihou · Post by **Keihou** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:09 pm

Wow so many glavie fanboys on this forum its sickening.

Saying glavie beat blade in a 1 on 1 fight is laughable, seriously it really is. There is a reason Bladers have won every single 1 on 1 korean tourny. Why do you think that is? hmm maybe because bladers are tanks and in a 1 on 1 fight they can out last any other charecter. You guys do realize with knockdowns and stabs + high block the blader will hit the glavie almost double the amount of times the glavie can hit the blader. Guess who runs out of pots first =P thats right the glavies! guess what happens when you run out of pots! YOU DIE.

I'm a lvl 67 full str blader and I can honestly say i've only lost to 1 glavie my level and that was because he had really nice gear and I was using combos like a dumb ass (was trying a different strat) using knockdowns that same glavie couldn't defeat me.

On the other hand i've killed a handful of glavies my level and i've even tanked a lvl 64+ glavie at lvl 66 while he was in zerk! he zerked and still couldn't kill me! I suggest you fanboys don't take blader lightly, if any of you are in xian I dare you to proove how glavie "owns" I'll put you on your back. With my critical 100 shield we could fight for an hour and you will most likely still not get 2 crits in a row on me. No way you going to kill me.

Draquish · Post by **Draquish** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:19 pm

it all depends on ur own...original build

kuling110 · Post by **kuling110** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:24 pm

Keihou wrote:On the other hand i've killed a handful of glavies my level and i've even tanked a lvl 64+ glavie at lvl 66 while he was in zerk! he zerked and still couldn't kill me! I suggest you fanboys don't take blader lightly, if any of you are in xian I dare you to proove how glavie "owns" I'll put you on your back. With my critical 100 shield we could fight for an hour and you will most likely still not get 2 crits in a row on me. No way you going to kill me.

Anyone said we took bladers lightly??

Keihou · Post by **Keihou** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:38 pm

kuling110 wrote:
Keihou wrote:On the other hand i've killed a handful of glavies my level and i've even tanked a lvl 64+ glavie at lvl 66 while he was in zerk! he zerked and still couldn't kill me! I suggest you fanboys don't take blader lightly, if any of you are in xian I dare you to proove how glavie "owns" I'll put you on your back. With my critical 100 shield we could fight for an hour and you will most likely still not get 2 crits in a row on me. No way you going to kill me.

Anyone said we took bladers lightly??

I suggest you read the thread from start to finish, it sounds like a damn glavie jack off party in here. I don't know why glavie user think they're so dam good and the best build in the game but they're not. Your fancy dmg useless if you're on your back.

woutR · Post by **woutR** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:37 pm

so keihou you are seriously gonna sit there and play your goddam nub blader till the glaive runs out of pots ? What's that for an amazingly gay strategy ?
It's like who's noob has to be smart.
You are truly admitting the noobness of the blader. IT CAN'T KILL !
it TANKS, that's it.
It's no fun to play like a madman just to drown someones pots.
And if I would really compete in a real ' tourny' then I'd be sure to get me some 1000 hp packs. I will never run out of pots.
With that I will never lose from a blader , the way YOU say it. Cause you say it's all about them pots.
And your dumb pvp stories are just plain b/s too. Perhaps you never pvp, who knows ?

Keihou · Post by **Keihou** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:52 pm

woutR wrote:so keihou you are seriously gonna sit there and play your goddam nub blader till the glaive runs out of pots ? What's that for an amazingly gay strategy ?
It's like who's noob has to be smart.
You are truly admitting the noobness of the blader. IT CAN'T KILL !
it TANKS, that's it.
It's no fun to play like a madman just to drown someones pots.
And if I would really compete in a real ' tourny' then I'd be sure to get me some 1000 hp packs. I will never run out of pots.
With that I will never lose from a blader , the way YOU say it. Cause you say it's all about them pots.
And your dumb pvp stories are just plain b/s too. Perhaps you never pvp, who knows ?

i don't care if you believe me about what i've done, i've killed glaviers without them running out of pots and with them running out of pots. You can continue to think glavie is king, go ahead. the day will come when u get owned and i want to see the expression on your fac ethen

RaiKiRii · Post by **RaiKiRii** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:25 am

lol koreans still think str glaives are the best build. kinda funny

woutR · Post by **woutR** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:20 am

from what I've heard koreans like hybrid int lightning now

woutR · Post by **woutR** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:24 am

Keihou wrote:
woutR wrote:so keihou you are seriously gonna sit there and play your goddam nub blader till the glaive runs out of pots ? What's that for an amazingly gay strategy ?
It's like who's noob has to be smart.
You are truly admitting the noobness of the blader. IT CAN'T KILL !
it TANKS, that's it.
It's no fun to play like a madman just to drown someones pots.
And if I would really compete in a real ' tourny' then I'd be sure to get me some 1000 hp packs. I will never run out of pots.
With that I will never lose from a blader , the way YOU say it. Cause you say it's all about them pots.
And your dumb pvp stories are just plain b/s too. Perhaps you never pvp, who knows ?

i don't care if you believe me about what i've done, i've killed glaviers without them running out of pots and with them running out of pots. You can continue to think glavie is king, go ahead. the day will come when u get owned and i want to see the expression on your fac ethen

/change subject.
You just got selfowned by your dumb pot message. No1 is gonna run out of pots in a tourny.
And I have never said glavie is king. I have only pointed out that the blader in every scenario is not.
If you'd ask me what the best build is then I'd say none. It all comes down to your gear. But fire/light sword hybrid is high on my list.