Best sub for Wizard?

[Hideoki]

I wanna deal max damage, and be the toughest 1 vs 1 possible using wizard as my main. Shall i go warlock or cleric?

[MrFudge]

max damage - warlock
toughest 1v1 - warlock but without using life turnover
the rest - cleric

[CLOT]

max dmg and best in 1v1 = wiz/warlock
support + survive better in gang fight = wiz/cleric

[Hideoki]

Ok thanks, any tactics and help to the wiz/warlock build before i farm it?

[Nitro]

I'd say go sub cleric ... coz you will get raped easy otherwise ... I can tank with sub cleric penon giant without bless at lv.52 ...

I suggest you to go sub cleric ... but w/e

[BloodOwnzzz]

Cleric... Once you hit 60 it doesn't matter for debuffs or Sleep. Everyone is 1 shot when you have good gear... Just imagine if we had 9D for 80 Wizards which already 1 shot Glaivers at Full HP...

If you want Stun and Sleep be a Warlock. They can still kill without Wizard nukes and are better 1v1 than Wizard. There is no point to debuffing and the only point anyone is able to bring up is that you can put them to Sleep. But what if they are immune? Or what if it doesn't work? There is no... What if my Bless Spell doesn't work? or What if my Recovery Division doesn't work? They always work. And not only do they help you in 1v1, but they also help your party and your grinding. Heck, as long as you have Light Armor, Recovery Division and LT off you won't die before you kill them anyway.

Warlock is there so you can orgasm off of damage and put people to Sleep. It doesn't serve a purpose other than these pretty much worthless things for a Wizard, I know Sleep isn't totally worthless... As long as you play smart with Wizard/Cleric, I.E. Light Armor with Recovery Division and no LT, you will do things Wizard/Warlock cannot and make Wizard/Cleric actually worth it.

And just as a hint. If you use Light Armor you will run out of MP fast if you use a lot of AoE nukes and such. Consider a NPC Robe set for parties since you won't die much anyway. Actually, if your parties have Bard you can still wear Light Armor if you want.

[antics]

bard or warlock
cleric will suck cuz ull get 1 hit no matter what

[nohunta]

Bard brotha.....Noise Can really help while ure in Life Control

[BloodOwnzzz]

Bard brotha.....Noise Can really help while ure in Life Control

He said for 1v1 and dealing the most damage. Not PvE he's probably going to PLvl his char.

bard or warlock
cleric will suck cuz ull get 1 hit no matter what

Yes you will get 1 hit no matter what if you have Life Turnover/Control On but, if you leave it off you won't die...

[QuestionMark]

u want to be very strong in 1 vs 1 thenu go warlock sub cleric
but if u need wizard then go wizard sub cleric
Hope I helped.

[JabbaWockeeZ]

Go bard u get more speed all the other masteries r good but no matter wat u die quick

[Del Piero]

Go Warlock , You can take on 3 ppl in lvl 76

triple stun >> triple debuff >> triple sleep >> nuke

I don't know why ppl talk about wizard\cleric all what i see that it's Sucks in PvP 1 ON 1 You can't kill s\s nukers with ice shield and snow shield You can't kill Str or hybird maybe you do it if you have a good staff , btw if he have a good set or weapon too he can kill you easy

Only if it a good set wizard v.s bad set str, lol

Ok thanks, any tactics and help to the wiz/warlock build before i farm it?

There are many many

1 - stun >> nuke him >> Meotor ( THIS Work if his hp is low )
2 - Stun >> Debuff >> sleep >> nuke him and if not died use Meotor
( if stun or sleep did'nt work use vimpire kiss to keep a live after you can activite them again , and it will be better if you use That 3 sec Pots for Euro that drops from monesters , i put them in 2 pets to have more many when i need them )

There is much many just keep trying But if you v.s Sun if you were have some luck with stun and sleep and bloody trap you can kill him

Stun >> DeBuff & bloody Trap >> nuke him you can do 4-5 nukes and he will still under sleep if you lucky If bloody do it's dmg or he use exp. pills just try to get back to warlock fast and stun him

if you are lucky you can kill sun set , what ever Cleric/wiz can't do all that and no fun when pve

And don't ever forget to Use Reject if you use warlock

[CLOT]

w/o life turnover and + cleric bless and wif vigor, wiz dun die as easily as what u all thought
and altho they cant 1 hit u...they can kill easy within 3-5 hits depending on gear and u cant 1 hit them either w/o life turnover and wif bless

[Del Piero]

w/o life turnover and + cleric bless and wif vigor, wiz dun die as easily as what u all thought
and altho they cant 1 hit u...they can kill easy within 3-5 hits depending on gear and u cant 1 hit them either w/o life turnover and wif bless

So you are saying that Wizard/Cleric rocks in PvP 1 ON 1 ?

Maybe with good set and blue but you opp. can have a good set and blue too

I don't understand your post well ( they still noob in pvp ) ... but warlock/wiz is better in pvp not like what some ppl say and i know you say warlock better but i don't mean you in this

[BloodOwnzzz]

w/o life turnover and + cleric bless and wif vigor, wiz dun die as easily as what u all thought
and altho they cant 1 hit u...they can kill easy within 3-5 hits depending on gear and u cant 1 hit them either w/o life turnover and wif bless

So you are saying that Wizard/Cleric rocks in PvP 1 ON 1 ?

Maybe with good set and blue but you opp. can have a good set and blue too

I don't understand your post well ( they still noob in pvp ) ... but warlock/wiz is better in pvp not like what some ppl say and i know you say warlock better but i don't mean you in this

Wizard/Warlock is a stupid combination. You waste your character so you can 1v1 good. Wizards/Cleric gives a much better advantage in more areas than Wizard/Warlock does because basically the only thing you have over a Wizard/Cleric is how you can Sleep people. And if Wizard/Cleric is still good at 1v1 then what is the point of Wizard/Warlock?

And if you seriously think at caps people you are facing won't have good sets than you are stupid. If you are PvPing in a bad set and capped you are retarded. It doesn't take much money to put a good amount of blues on your equipment and a +5 weapon is good enough. Your opponent will definitely have a good set when capped you are basing this off low level experience where Warlock Sleep is already stupidly overpowered and you can already easily 1 hit anyone in PvP when they are in bad sets.

If you want Sleep and debuffs be a Warlock/Cleric. They are 9001x better and do not need a strong nuke from a secondary to be good. In fact, you have offering anyways so there is basically no advantage you get from a Warlock/Wizard than you would get from a Warlock/Cleric. Plus, Warlock/Cleric is stupidly overpowered in its ability to survive as an Int character. If you do make a Warlock/Wizard you are making a character that can be out-shined by 2 other characters that will be better in more than just 1v1.

I hope this is sinking in Hideoki...

[Del Piero]

w/o life turnover and + cleric bless and wif vigor, wiz dun die as easily as what u all thought
and altho they cant 1 hit u...they can kill easy within 3-5 hits depending on gear and u cant 1 hit them either w/o life turnover and wif bless

So you are saying that Wizard/Cleric rocks in PvP 1 ON 1 ?

Maybe with good set and blue but you opp. can have a good set and blue too

I don't understand your post well ( they still noob in pvp ) ... but warlock/wiz is better in pvp not like what some ppl say and i know you say warlock better but i don't mean you in this

Wizard/Warlock is a stupid combination. You waste your character so you can 1v1 good. Wizards/Cleric gives a much better advantage in more areas than Wizard/Warlock does because basically the only thing you have over a Wizard/Cleric is how you can Sleep people. And if Wizard/Cleric is still good at 1v1 then what is the point of Wizard/Warlock?

And if you seriously think at caps people you are facing won't have good sets than you are stupid. If you are PvPing in a bad set and capped you are retarded. It doesn't take much money to put a good amount of blues on your equipment and a +5 weapon is good enough. Your opponent will definitely have a good set when capped you are basing this off low level experience where Warlock Sleep is already stupidly overpowered and you can already easily 1 hit anyone in PvP when they are in bad sets.

If you want Sleep and debuffs be a Warlock/Cleric. They are 9001x better and do not need a strong nuke from a secondary to be good. In fact, you have offering anyways so there is basically no advantage you get from a Warlock/Wizard than you would get from a Warlock/Cleric. Plus, Warlock/Cleric is stupidly overpowered in its ability to survive as an Int character. If you do make a Warlock/Wizard you are making a character that can be out-shined by 2 other characters that will be better in more than just 1v1.

I hope this is sinking in Hideoki...

That it he ask for pvp char. and he did'nt ask about something els , lol

warlock/wizard is good either in FW AND GW , AND HE CAN easy change with 3000 silk+ in high lvls to warlock/cleric or wait for the curse he got it all what he need if he get boring on killing all chinese and they afraid in his server lol

And when i talk about sets , actully i mean bad set warlock/wizard rocks in pvp and cleric don't

with sleep & stun & Debuff you can take on high than your lvl 5 -8 time or i'm wrong ?

and if you have some luck you can use bloody trap to take on a sun set wizard/cleric actully can't do all that

and plus offering cost you 95% and it may get block and if he did'nt die you will die then 100%

that why wizard nukes and with Meteor after you use it you can get back to warlock if you are afraid , you can get back easy and stun him again , Meteor can intturept and will get you a time to do it ( Ofcourse warlock/cleric better than wizard if you look at genaral way warlock/wizard only for the one who went to kill fast )

you ask me what the point of doing warlock/wizard , the point is to kill 3 char more than his lvl 5 times with triple stun >> triple debuff >> triple sleep >> 1 nuke they all die( at gap 90 when they will be 80+ )

and there another point ,Hideoki ask for the better wizard char. in 1 on 1 and warlock/wizard is better than warlock/cleric in 1 v.s 1 .

and a third point That warlock/wizard can pwn a higher lvl than him 5 - 8 or maybe more

a 4th point is to kick *** gold buyers sosun with bloody trap >> sleep then you nuke him many and many if you are lucky ( wizard/cleric can't do that either )

and for Hideoki if you went a pvp 1 on 1 or , 1 on ( 2-3 ) char. only then go warlock/wiz

but if you went a general build go wizard/Cleric

thx for the argument BloodOwn

[BloodOwnzzz]

You forgot the 3 z's in my name...

This is pointless though because you bring up stupid points and think of the build the exact opposite way it should be used in PvP. Basically I'll say this...

The other abilities you get from Cleric secondary far outweigh the abilities you will get from a Warlock secondary because Cleric secondary both helps you in 1v1 and other forms of PvP whereas Wizard/Warlock will only help you in 1v1. It doesn't matter if you can kill 3 people at once with debuffs because that is not 1v1 and it doesn't matter if you can kill higher levels at the cap. Wizards have no trouble killing people. The only trouble they really have is that they die. Not only does it make more sense without getting technical to use Cleric secondary but when you get technical it makes more sense to use Cleric then too. Wizard/Warlock only helps you in 1v1. You exaggerate it by saying it can kill multiple people with the AoE. In party play almost everyone will be fully immune and therefore your build is pointless. At that point there are much better things to be doing then trying to get your Sleep -> Debuff -> Switch -> LT -> Kill combo off. By the time that would happen you are most likely dead anyway.

And I didn't ask why be Wizard/Warlock seriously. It was a rhetorical question...

[Del Piero]

You forgot the 3 z's in my name...

This is pointless though because you bring up stupid points and think of the build the exact opposite way it should be used in PvP. Basically I'll say this...

The other abilities you get from Cleric secondary far outweigh the abilities you will get from a Warlock secondary because Cleric secondary both helps you in 1v1 and other forms of PvP whereas Wizard/Warlock will only help you in 1v1. It doesn't matter if you can kill 3 people at once with debuffs because that is not 1v1 and it doesn't matter if you can kill higher levels at the cap. Wizards have no trouble killing people. The only trouble they really have is that they die. Not only does it make more sense without getting technical to use Cleric secondary but when you get technical it makes more sense to use Cleric then too. Wizard/Warlock only helps you in 1v1. You exaggerate it by saying it can kill multiple people with the AoE. In party play almost everyone will be fully immune and therefore your build is pointless. At that point there are much better things to be doing then trying to get your Sleep -> Debuff -> Switch -> LT -> Kill combo off. By the time that would happen you are most likely dead anyway.

And I didn't ask why be Wizard/Warlock seriously. It was a rhetorical question...

loool srry , zzz*

You get out of the point dude , i'm talking about pvp 1 on 1 , 1 on 2 or 3 , and like what i say warlock/cleric is better in the general way

you say it is not matter to kill a higher lvl than you , but some ppl like to do that
maybe warlock/wizard not good like warlock/cleric in group party or helping ppl or party job and helping guild elc ...

it's like what i say only for pvp , you will spend your most life in sro with pvp if you choose it and will get boring fast it's not good at helping your party members like wizard/cleric

i know that all , i know and say it again warlock/wiz only for pvp and pwn higher lvls !!! so it's better to go wizard/cleric if you don't went to spent you sro time in pvp and asking ppl to pvp all the time or go trade along get killed easy with a praty theifs

and i mean pvp 1 on 3 with out other party members on pvp not jobing etc..

and i say triple stun >> debuff >> triple sleep then nuke they will be under sleep they can't move only if they using holy world


I'm with you but you did'nt know that i'm only ansering Hideoki about what is better for pvp only !!

thx again BloodOwnzzz

[dannoob]

and there another point ,Hideoki ask for the better wizard char. in 1 on 1 and warlock/wizard is better than warlock/cleric in 1 v.s 1 .

actually no. if you a wiz/lock pvp a wiz/cleric well obviously it will be whoever nukes first wins. however if you're basing it on sub no way warlock would win. why? cleric has holy spell/holy word or w/e that makes them immune. as a result your debuffs and sleep dont work. while cleric still has recvovery division and bless.

and during gw/fw/jobbing its almiost guaranteed that somewhere in the opponents party there will be a cleric who has holy spelled everyone. making your stratgy useless. while with cleric at least you can ressurect your fallin comrades, and also they are more likely to protect you since you have recovery division and the buffs on them.

so ya wiz/cleric is better in many situations

[Del Piero]

omg , i actully really really mean it's better than wizard\cleric

maybe i write wronge because i was sleepy

Like what i said warlock/cleric better and i mean warlock/wiz is better than wiz/cleric in PVP and Ofcouse warlock/cleric is better in the general way i say it for the third time now

Only if it Vs Icewall warlock/wiz will better in this way

and warlock/wiz kill faster

AND IF IT LOCK/wiz v.s wiz/cleric it's easy you don't have to nuke him just stun him and give him 1-2 nuke and he died

srry i really mean wiz/cleric loooool , must put the glasses next time to see what i write


Gneral way wiz/cleric better

In pvp only Warlock/Wiz better

and he ask only for PvP 1 ON 1 IN THIS Way warlock is the answer of his Question

sorry for wrong writing and bad english