warrior vs rogue.

nphillip · Post by **nphillip** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:51 am

which is better in PVP and PVE?

please let me know whether its 1h 2h or dual axe and if its dagger or crossbow.

also interested in knowing which subclass you would choose for the build you've chosen.

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i don't expect many answers .. maybe half the people would just tell me to use the search key or flame me. im just asking the nice people out there to get me some links regarding this question.

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:57 am

I would say both are somewhat equal.

Rogue vs Warrior PVP:
At 4x, if the Rogue gets knockdown, the warrior is dead
If the rogue gets crit the warrior is dead
If the rogue gets knockback the warrior is dead

Warrior vs Rogue PVP:
If the warrior stuns , rogue is dead
If warrior knockbacks, rogue is dead
If warrior hits , rogue is dead

Rogue PvE:
You can't kill (tank) giants or PT mobs your LVL
You can grind on monsters 7 lvls higher then you effectively
You can't kill (tank) PT mobs your lvl

Warrior PvE:
You can tank and kill giants your level
You can't grind monsters 7 lvls higher
You can tank and kill PT mobs your level

IMO Rogue LVLS faster, and is better at uniques, and with the right gear and some luck, better in PvP

(I was using crossbow in this comparison)

nphillip · Post by **nphillip** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:15 am

ty

i was hoping for your kind of response.

MrLonely · Post by **MrLonely** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:01 pm

At later levels warrior can easily beat rogue in pvp, since shield more def, chance of block, also since rogues charges so damn slow their skill you can easily see him attacking, or hear good thing is to manage get iron skin before shot hits you, since its really fast buff, you will have no problems to manage to put it up before bolt reaches you(if rogue suddenly appears in front of you, warrior can manage to put on iron skin and sprint before bolt reaches). Then all you have to do is sprint assault, if you stun him, then hes as good as gone, if you dont, then practically with skills warriors have rogue also dont have chance to survive. Without iron skin, rogues attacks hurts, especially crits but I believe you can still survive 1 hit easily, and sprint, but mostly if i dont stun or KB 2nd rogue skill finishes me. Problems might still occur if rogue knocks warrior down, then you might not get close to rogue anymore, but also warrior can use vitality increase, which increases you hp by quite enough number and with iron skin on, rogue wont be able to take him down as fast as he would want to, after sprint assault warrior can quick remove Vital increase and hes damage is back to normal and its done. Also with strongbow crit same same level rogue cant possibly kill warrior, at least i havent experienced, but it seems rather hard.

I believe s/s warriors can sprint as soon as see rogue, and can survive, but with my 2Hs im forced to use rest skills to survive rogues

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:22 pm

Rogue skill charges are damn slow? What planet are you living on? ^_^

And have you ever made a rogue? Because your sig says otherwise

MrLonely · Post by **MrLonely** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:30 pm

yes i got rogue up to lvl50, when restat to warrior, so i know what the hell im saying, and yes they charge skills damn slow, if in front of me appears wizard and nukes me out of invisiblity, i most likely will get shot before i react, but no way in case of rogue and stealth, they don't charge for 1hour if that is damn slow for you, but I'm sure as hell, that they are not fast, OR they are not fast ENOUGH.

And being hunter i have met lot of rogues, also i have quite alot have had duel with my best friend in game who happens to be rogue(higher lvl than me), and shocking realization, yes I can kill rogues, and if you are not standing there and watching how no brainer class kills you, then Im quite sure lot of warriors have killed rogues even with the superb stealth and almighty power of crossbow extreme. Also i can admit that with 2hs its harder to win than with s/s obviously, but hey u can max both 2hs and s/s skills and make one kick ass dual weapon warrior

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:49 pm

Well, then i think we both have different views
My level 44 Crossbow Rogue is equal, if not stronger then a 45 warrior
We pvp'd a few rounds, each time i got him down, he died, when he got knockbacked, his skill canceled and i kill him, when i got crit, i 1 hit him, all with NPC gear

If you know how to play a rogue right and you have good gear, your deadly ^_^

Also remember rogues are NOT meant for any type of tanking, your meant to hit and run, of course a wizard will one hit you, but if your smart you will use destealth on the wizard, and the point is not to do close combat, go far far away, shoot, kill and run like you are being chased by .... something big ^_^

MrLonely · Post by **MrLonely** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:56 pm

yes I admit rogues are damn powerful, but s/s warrior with iron skin on 1 hit with crit

I dont think its possibly, also its not like warriors are uber great class and invincible, yes they also can easily die by rogue if not careful, but all im saying is out of all classes are out there, i think its the best 1 to survive rogues stealth/extreme attack and survive, and actually kill them.

Also btw, warriors HP increase skill is great against wizards, so if you want to shock the rogues and wizs, that they go "wtf lol u didnt die ffrom me and killed me :shock:

" then warrior is great, and its seems that makes game a bit balanced that these 2 classes are not superior against everyone

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:58 pm

I wasn't really thinking 1 hand Warrior :roll:

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:23 pm

If they;re the same lvl the fight will go to any kind of rogue but once they get iron skin you have to use some level of brain power before approaching them

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:13 pm

XemnasXD wrote:If they;re the same lvl the fight will go to any kind of rogue but once they get iron skin you have to use some level of brain power before approaching them

Also, with good gears and using vigors, if the warrior can win before the iron skin runs out or if the warrior is 1h and uses shield bump and assault over and over if he gets in trouble with hp, the fight can go on for a quite a while, with rogue doing KD and KB to stay alive while the warrior does the same. Also, since the shield has a crit perry stat that can be added, the warrior might not get crit for minutes. However, Iron Skin or not, a crit would most likely kill the warrior.

It really goes either way in higher levels, especially between 1h warror and dagger rogue, since bumps would be bad for a dagger rogue.

Hitman144 · Post by **Hitman144** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:35 pm

ltrbojevic wrote:I would say both are somewhat equal.

Rogue vs Warrior PVP:
At 4x, if the Rogue gets knockdown, the warrior is dead
If the rogue gets crit the warrior is dead
If the rogue gets knockback the warrior is dead

Warrior vs Rogue PVP:
If the warrior stuns , rogue is dead
If warrior knockbacks, rogue is dead
If warrior hits , rogue is dead

Rogue PvE:
You can't kill (tank) giants or PT mobs your LVL
You can grind on monsters 7 lvls higher then you effectively
You can't kill (tank) PT mobs your lvl

Warrior PvE:
You can tank and kill giants your level
You can't grind monsters 7 lvls higher
You can tank and kill PT mobs your level

IMO Rogue LVLS faster, and is better at uniques, and with the right gear and some luck, better in PvP

(I was using crossbow in this comparison)

rogues can tank with daggers , with a high crit

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:09 pm

ltrbojevic wrote:I would say both are somewhat equal.

Rogue PvE:
You can't kill (tank) giants or PT mobs your LVL
You can grind on monsters 7 lvls higher then you effectively
You can't kill (tank) PT mobs your lvl

IMO Rogue LVLS faster, and is better at uniques, and with the right gear and some luck, better in PvP

(I was using crossbow in this comparison)

....Rogues can easily kill PT or giant mobs solo and at their lvl....just turn DD or EX off and you'll be fine...do you even have a rogue...

Juey · Post by **Juey** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:26 pm

XemnasXD wrote:
ltrbojevic wrote:I would say both are somewhat equal.

Rogue PvE:
You can't kill (tank) giants or PT mobs your LVL
You can grind on monsters 7 lvls higher then you effectively
You can't kill (tank) PT mobs your lvl

IMO Rogue LVLS faster, and is better at uniques, and with the right gear and some luck, better in PvP

(I was using crossbow in this comparison)

....Rogues can easily kill PT or giant mobs solo and at their lvl....just turn DD or EX off and you'll be fine...do you even have a rogue...

I'm lv 79 with 75 masteries, I cant tank the Gigant and Party Generals (lv 80 mob) just fine with crossbow extreme on.

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:38 pm

Before you compare you should say what's the weapon ..

warrior have 1 H , 2 H , Dual Axe ..
rogue have crossbow , and dagger ..

I'm crossbower/cleric and fight with a lot of warriors ,
1 H isn't a thing to fear , He do no damge on me , the tactic is to not use extreme bow , the fight will be longer but he will die at last even He KD , KB , Stun .. that's all not kill me .. and when he turn his iron skin ON I just switch to cleric and tank better than him till this skin go away I can retrun to fight easily and poison will be perfect choice against warriors ..

2H sword is another thing he have no shield so I love to extreme bow against him .. if I have my best range he die before reach me and my KB, KD don't let him buff iron skin , he have few chances to reach me .. even with that phantom walk like skill .. he may die in front of me and lay under my feet .. if he succes he will stun me or KB but don't do real damge .. I gust cancel extreme bow at this moment and continue the fight .. he can kill me if his +400% skill get crit on me or crit after KD me .. but I have the same chance if crit on him .. or I can bless spell and don't fear that 2 H at all .. if he get iron skill from the begining i just stay in stealth till it gone ...
2H sword something like glaviers but with pots delay and less HP (if he didn't use that +HP -def buff ) but for more damge .. a lvl 72 crossbower kill lvl 80 glavier before that glavier touch him !! .. do you think that he can't do that with a warrior ?!!

My friend is dagger 1 lvl behind me .. he always finish warriors before they have chanse to think or turn on iron skin .. he act like shadow .. dagger is better against all str builds ..
And Warrior isn't something to make rogue fear .. I met a lvl 50 1 handed sword , he asked for pvp to show us his new skills in 50 .. I agreed to have fun thought that +8 lvl should finish the battle .. I was in stealth so get my best range and extreme bow then start attack ... he didn't get close enough to use any skill before he died

.. and he didn't think to use iron skin against - 8 lvl rogue .. while I was 38 I owned +42 warriors too although i'm not one of the best rogues in my lvls .. :wink:

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:42 pm

I'm lv 79 with 75 masteries, I cant tank the Gigant and Party Generals (lv 80 mob) just fine with crossbow extreme on.

Just turn crossbow extreme off before deal with the gaint or the party .. that's what XemnasXD say in the words you quote

Juey · Post by **Juey** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:01 am

elnawawi wrote:
I'm lv 79 with 75 masteries, I cant tank the Gigant and Party Generals (lv 80 mob) just fine with crossbow extreme on.

Just turn crossbow extreme off before deal with the gaint or the party .. that's what XemnasXD say in the words you quote

I was replying to the topic starter's message about not able to kill party mob or gigant your level.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:05 am

Juey wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
ltrbojevic wrote:I would say both are somewhat equal.

Rogue PvE:
You can't kill (tank) giants or PT mobs your LVL
You can grind on monsters 7 lvls higher then you effectively
You can't kill (tank) PT mobs your lvl

IMO Rogue LVLS faster, and is better at uniques, and with the right gear and some luck, better in PvP

(I was using crossbow in this comparison)

....Rogues can easily kill PT or giant mobs solo and at their lvl....just turn DD or EX off and you'll be fine...do you even have a rogue...

I'm lv 79 with 75 masteries, I cant tank the Gigant and Party Generals (lv 80 mob) just fine with crossbow extreme on.

daggers not as good for PvE...no KD or KB....in an aggro area i wouldn't risk soloing a party mob with DD

Juey · Post by **Juey** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:06 am

OMFG I meant I CAN, not CAN'T.

I CAN tank party mob just fine and gigants too.

Kayson · Post by **Kayson** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:21 am

ltrbojevic wrote:I would say both are somewhat equal.
Rogue PvE:
You can't kill (tank) giants or PT mobs your LVL I can
You can grind on monsters 7 lvls higher then you effectively
You can't kill (tank) PT mobs your lvl I can

(Read the red writing)

John_Doe · Post by **John_Doe** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:02 am

do what I do use a horse and shout NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB till he atks your horse then bam dead. he he

tough luck · Post by **tough luck** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:05 pm

I'm a Rogue Crossbow and I kill party mobs and giants my level. In pvp, I do have trouble against warriors, lots against 1h Sword because they can block and have the extra defense from the shield.

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:21 pm

im only lvl 37 and already I own warriors. There KD isn't too bad

xbow rogue is the most useful to kill warriors just use XE and kill him from a distance where he can't do anything

as for daggar rogue, go invisible and hit him. but you must kill him as quickly as possible

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:45 pm

XemnasXD wrote:
ltrbojevic wrote:I would say both are somewhat equal.

Rogue PvE:
You can't kill (tank) giants or PT mobs your LVL
You can grind on monsters 7 lvls higher then you effectively
You can't kill (tank) PT mobs your lvl

IMO Rogue LVLS faster, and is better at uniques, and with the right gear and some luck, better in PvP

(I was using crossbow in this comparison)

....Rogues can easily kill PT or giant mobs solo and at their lvl....just turn DD or EX off and you'll be fine...do you even have a rogue...[/quote]

And I'm just talking with NPC gear, at level 2x and 3x and 4x i CANT tank PT mobs or giants my level

If i had gear then sure it would be eays, but not all can afford pimped gear -.-

fReDdArZ · Post by **fReDdArZ** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:27 am

Rogues are harder to handle on PVE, specially on aggro mobs and u always need to kill very quick to be effective. My friend is a lvl 54 S/S warrior, he can tank and kill PARTY GIANT YETI 5 levels above him, i wish my rogue can do that. IMO warriors are the more balanced build.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:20 am

ltrbojevic wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:I would say both are somewhat equal.

Rogue PvE:
You can't kill (tank) giants or PT mobs your LVL
You can grind on monsters 7 lvls higher then you effectively
You can't kill (tank) PT mobs your lvl

IMO Rogue LVLS faster, and is better at uniques, and with the right gear and some luck, better in PvP

(I was using crossbow in this comparison)

....Rogues can easily kill PT or giant mobs solo and at their lvl....just turn DD or EX off and you'll be fine...do you even have a rogue...[/quote]

And I'm just talking with NPC gear, at level 2x and 3x and 4x i CANT tank PT mobs or giants my level

If i had gear then sure it would be eays, but not all can afford pimped gear -.-[/quote]

My gear was never top notch stuff except for my weapons but yeah you should be able to handle PT mobs your own lvl especially in the 3X-4X i don't know what your doing wrong....