Cold is better than Lightning for STR Chinese

[[TS]=Hark=[TS]]

this guide cant be applied to bowers. ok for glaviers and bladers.

true that, bowers need speed

[raphaell666]

this guide cant be applied to bowers. ok for glaviers and bladers.

true that, bowers need speed

That's your opinion.

[thechampion80]

if bowers have range, they don't need as much speed...

[[TS]=Hark=[TS]]

you need speed to get range and keep range between you and your target

[nohunta]

The Best Offense is a good defence
Or
The Best Defence is a good offence

Who knows i believe its somewhere in the middle.
Reminds me of Runescape and Pures.
Str pures raped. Tankers Raped.

Overall Tankers raped. Defence maybe?

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

you need speed to get range and keep range between you and your target

range doesn't help much against bladers with lightning maxed out too:

you won't be able to kill or to run,

defence is te only option then

[[TS]=Hark=[TS]]

you need speed to get range and keep range between you and your target

range doesn't help much against bladers with lightning maxed out too:

you won't be able to kill or to run,

defence is te only option then

but a bower will always be out defenced by a blader or a warrior, why try to buff your weakest talent, i say buff up your strengths.. and they will outway your weakness

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

^ it might work out for sometime, but as soon as someone gets a grasp of you: you are weak

[selenne]

you need speed to get range and keep range between you and your target

range doesn't help much against bladers with lightning maxed out too:

you won't be able to kill or to run,

defence is te only option then

if bladers follow this guide they wont hav light maxed. also, bladers dont need light maxed. bowers need a certain lvl of light, dependin on their build.

[selenne]

garms + speed buff + devil spirit = u wont catch the bower. and if u try, u'll be kb'd 11 times.




edit: sry for double post.

[[TS]=Hark=[TS]]

garms + speed buff + devil spirit = u wont catch the bower. and if u try, u'll be kb'd 11 times.




edit: sry for double post.

thats a very good point. see this guy knows what hes talking about.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

garms + speed buff + devil spirit = u wont catch the bower. and if u try, u'll be kb'd 11 times.




edit: sry for double post.

thats a very good point. see this guy knows what hes talking about.

TS Hark, i know you stand with all your might against any other bow concept other than one with 90 light.. but don't you know that there is a chance the other player may use the same against you?


garms + speed buff(moving march/speed drug) + devil spirit for a blader...

oh: block decreases possibility of knockback,
and as soon as you stop knockback to try and deal some real damage,
the blader will take you out(if he is skilled)

in 1 vs 1 pvp you could definitely evade the whole time, but it won't be efficient in bow vs bow or against many opponents.

[Ragnorak]

when it comes to Job wars/trades a chinese without phantom can never kill another chinese that HAS phantom at a high lvl. if the one with high lvl light wanted to get away for whatever reason.....or I can put it this way..there could be an army of chinese lets say ~20 lol..without light vs me with 90 light they will never kill me cuz they will never hit me.
the 85-89+5 prot. set already gives me enough defense to tank any build without sun.

[twin8620]

i'm a 90 fire light spear 30 ice build. I mop the floor with glavie builds that have 60 ice or higher. The strongest glavie build is my build. Great in guild wars, fortress wars and semi great in 1 on 1. The next best glavie build is the force glavie. Good in everything but great in 1 on 1. In other versions of sro no str build has high ice. Phys defense doesn't matter for a pure str build, your not going to kill another str build without good crits.

Mislead the noobs with your theory craft about cold is better than lightning. I rather have phantom than the extra defense. Make good sets and you will be ok. Not just talking about +5ing your gear. Get your whites to a decent percentage also. Mater of fact go ahead with ice, it just makes the the good glavie builds that much more stronger.

And for other str builds its useless also. The best str bows have phantom and high level grasswalk. Distance is your bread and butter for a bow. Your not supposed to be close to your enemy. Phantom is a must for any good bow build. The only str build that I could see it benefit is bladers.

[hemagoku]

dam u man now i have to up my ice xD

[Stopper]

let me explain myself build:

fire, cold, heuskal 90 , light30
protector set 89-90 items (even necklace 89+5), glavie +8 crit.13
so even more i have fire and cold imbue maxed.
OMG phy deff. from 90 cold is 264......
imagine me, in rare cases suns kill me.
i am doing so much job work, and when i got 100% moving speed ( so cheep for 90lv.) noone can catch me easy.
You know when clerics ress enemy, they have not cold protection, and they are easy target for cold attacker. when they put any protection i switch to fire imbue.
believe me , that is fun for me.
with cold 90 i feel myself protected from str. chars ( 60-70% in game are str.chars)
and imagine euro without any status protection... funny statues.

about need of phantom, i don`t need it to run from hits, i just put snow shield 25%+ shield with Br18 and run with 100%. 3 chars can`t kill me easy.

so cold 90 have much more than phy. defence

BR

[Macsnow]

If they run away simply call them pussies, Im sure they will feel bad and will stop running

[-.-]

running wont help on rogues :S they can tell where you run with their tag skill...

[Stopper]

huh, tag skills .... rogues... ugly skill, almost useless.

[JuelzSantana]

i dont like chinese chars but this does make sense so mad ups to u

[EcsTasY]

Was a good post, but why is it being ressed? Outdated information...

[BloodyBlade]

huh, tag skills .... rogues... ugly skill, almost useless.

I used it a lot xD

[Spanktastik]

If MrFudge still keeps track of this post, I'd like to hear his take for 100 cap.

[Insanity]

for 100 cap for bowers

100 pach / 100 fire / 100 ice

got an extra 30 kills with ice instead of light at FW (yeah i changed in 2 weeks) it helped A LOT.

the ONLY thing you get from lightning is phantom. you can buy speed (or get it from the bard in your pt).

from ice at lvl 90 only you get an extra 300 phy. defence. doesn't sound like much? a 96+5 chest has 200 phy. defence and 99+5 hands hace 100 phy. defence. so with ice, you basically add another chest AND hands of physical defence.

now tell me that phantom > an extra +5 chest and hands.

[AngelDust]

mhhh... that sounds good.
im lvl 95 fire / lightning blader
now i will switch to bicheon 100/fire 100/cold 100

i think its the best for my str hybrid .. "i have 7 lvls on int". so i can use a higher snowshield and also the nice cold imbue too..^^

[TillTheEnd]

for 100 cap for bowers

100 pach / 100 fire / 100 ice

got an extra 30 kills with ice instead of light at FW (yeah i changed in 2 weeks) it helped A LOT.

the ONLY thing you get from lightning is phantom. you can buy speed (or get it from the bard in your pt).

from ice at lvl 90 only you get an extra 300 phy. defence. doesn't sound like much? a 96+5 chest has 200 phy. defence and 99+5 hands hace 100 phy. defence. so with ice, you basically add another chest AND hands of physical defence.

now tell me that phantom > an extra +5 chest and hands.

lol, yeah changing from light to ice is "definitely" the reason why u got 30 more skills, cuz FW is so about 1/1 all the times. considering there are 100s of wizards running around "ICE" will definitely increase ur defense xD.

on other hand if..u had light and see a bunch of players coming toward u >>>>shied>>>phantom.

[Pawnage]

wats ur recommendation for 100 cap? ...

[BloodyBlade]

huh, tag skills .... rogues... ugly skill, almost useless.

Its always usefull to get the first lvl of it =)

[Puma60]

for 100 cap for bowers

100 pach / 100 fire / 100 ice

got an extra 30 kills with ice instead of light at FW (yeah i changed in 2 weeks) it helped A LOT.

the ONLY thing you get from lightning is phantom. you can buy speed (or get it from the bard in your pt).

from ice at lvl 90 only you get an extra 300 phy. defence. doesn't sound like much? a 96+5 chest has 200 phy. defence and 99+5 hands hace 100 phy. defence. so with ice, you basically add another chest AND hands of physical defence.

now tell me that phantom > an extra +5 chest and hands.

I agree, im considering changing my 100 Pach, 100 Fire, 80 Light 20 Cold build to 100 Pach, 100 Fire, 100 Cold. It gives 336 Phy Def increase. This is a lot considering a 98 +5 Ch Shield only give 230 Phy Def increase. Not only this, but you will also get the Cold Imbue which can be useful combined with KB.

As Insanity says, is Phantom really better than 336 Phy Def increase?

[reeku]

@Puma60 and Insanity
You are either forgetting or depreciating phy and mag reinforcement from armor equipment. Although yes, the defense that cold and/or fire gives are considerable, you cannot compare rough magical/physical defense from a armor item with the amount of defense a defensive skill gives, because a piece of equipment further reinforces your defense through it's reinforce % statuses. I do not recall exactly how those reinforces go into defense calculation, but they make a huge difference from what I can remember. To test this, simply take off your shield or any piece of equipment (armor) you have on. Check your defense. Put the equipment back on. Compare. I'm almost 100% sure that you'll notice a considerably bigger difference in your defense than the rough physical/magical defense of the equipment you equipped. That's due to reinforce. The defensive skills on the other hand add exactly the amount they say. Again, I'm not saying that those skills are not effective or anything, this is just something else you have to take into account, and comparing like you are doing is not exactly correct.

wats ur recommendation for 100 cap? ...

I myself would say you either choose speed or defense depending on what your personal "tastes" (couldn't think of a better word) are. Mixing between light and cold became harder with the cap increase and tend to continue getting harder and harder. I'd suggest to max either way, not mix, as I can't really see a effective build with mixed light and could using 100 mastery points. 60 cold is probably not enough for 100 cap (just compare 100 cold and 60 cold stats), and anything below 40 lightning is nearly useless. So, max either way.

Edit: I mean, instead of maxing light, better take 80light/20cold for snow shield.