gun debate in america

[Foilin]

its really bad, and if all had a gun even kid Its really bad idea you had vibrator Then nobody was safe at all in school.

Better have really hard law so nobody can have a gun its mans private persons its more better and not be like it is now its for sure .

0_o leave this forum DAMNIT...

LOL at what i bolded made me chuckle..

[Reise]

i didn't say 100% illegal. and one of my friends dad is a very avid collector of guns. It was how i first saw an AK-47 complete with laser sight and a fold out mount with a drum clip.....i know he wouldn't harm a fly also.

Lets not compare the lethalness of guns to the lethalness of other things because that can easily go in the opposite direction. Gunz kill sometimes, depends on the user. Nuclear weapons kill people sometimes depends on the user therefore i should be able to buy a nuke. I know its stupid but thats how your knife and car argument sounded to me. You can use almost anything to kill someone but guns are made to kill, knives are made to cut, cars are made to drive. Lets not go crazy here.

I know guns can be used for recreation but there primary use is to kill. Thats why they were invented. If your using it for just recreation than we can limit the caliber of bullet available, i know we have some regulations already. Limits are necessary and as far as im concerned the limits we have now aren't doing shit so make them stricter and enforce them more.

If you know killing ability depends on the user of the weapon, why do you keep bringing up limitation by caliber? It's irrelevant. A .22 cal to the heart or skull is going to kill you just like a 7.62mm FMJ. Why do you think they say 22cal is preferred by hitmen?

Knives, cars, and guns are all fundamentally similar. They're tools. Each have different uses and some have more than one. ALL of them can be used to kill like you said. If you restrict one, why not the others? All of them can be used to kill, at varying levels of efficiency, but they can be used. Given guns already have restrictions on them, yet people continue to die by them, how could any more restrictions possibly help?

My bet is whoever was around to think up our current gun laws realized this, and decided to allow common lawful citizens to continue carrying arms. Not just because the 2nd Amendment says we can, but because there's a good chance that either way criminals will have access to these weapons. I would rather be allowed to carry and own weapons for defense and sport, than to have them restricted and regret it later when someone comes into my house at night with an AK47.

And I know you never said 100% illegal, it just seems that would be your ideal situation. We have limits, and we have restrictions. Any further limits or restrictions and there would be basically no point. Every new restriction you put on the 2nd amendment makes it get closer and closer to not being a freedom we have. The worst part is like I said, even without the 2nd amendment, people would still find a way.

[XemnasXD]

Your argument is based on fear . Fear that the gov't might turn. Fear that you may be vulnerable. Fear that the next guy has a better gun. To me its jumping at shadows. Our gov't is in charge for a reason, police are given privileges for a reason. Theres a clear line between a civilian and an officer for a reason. Put your faith in what we have instead of this backward American need ideal of "A nation of one with every man for himself" If you feel so strongly about defense and protection become a police officer or join the National Guard. Those are the people who have endowed with the power to protect us and if you can't rely on them why have them. Because if we didn't have them and if we don't have stricter gun control laws every time someone pulls a gun on someone they'll have a bigger gun pointing back. If your for the country the way it works and the freedoms it gives don't abuse the privilege. Sharp has access to a small armory, my cousin who is on the Bomb Squad and a hunting enthusiast doesn't have that many weapons.

So what're all the guns for. What are you protecting that the National Guard and the Police aren't sworn to protect. If you think they can't handle it then get rid of them and you can have everyman looking out for his family and his property all by themselves.....what a wonderful country that will be.

[Reise]

Why does the 2nd Amendment exist then if not based on that fear?

The forces you mentioned are all government controlled. You've shown before that you have distrust in police and military forces, would you seriously trust them like that?

In all honesty I do believe each state should have its own true separate militia. It would stop a lot of this confusion. I'm sure they did anyway back in the day, it's just that now we have the good ol' government run police and guard forces to do it for you. And they're the only ones to be "endowed" with the power to carry guns? These are the same people you said are

...the least educated people in your country who feel like shooting something...

The bottom line is it says our right to bear arms shall not be infringed. At this point it's already damn close to being just that.

[XemnasXD]

my point its not even close to being infringed if you can buy an AK-47 for "recreational purposes"

I dislike the police in my area but i have family who are cop. I dislike what are army is doing but i hold nothing against the army itself.

I think im done here both of us have made good points but this is a topic to steeped in personal opinions and experiences to make further discussion worthwhile imo. I don't like guns, i don't like people. People+guns= something i really don't like.

[avanti42]

You guys ever think that if a few of the students in the virginia tech massacre had guns of there own they could have prevented it?

BTW it is legal to hunt with an AK47 i know people that do it.

[Foilin]

People+Weapon= something i really don't like.

Guns don't kill PEOPLE kill, like i had posted before people who kill dont care how they do it as long as they get their jollies. its true, what did people kill with 500 years ago? blades and arrows, there were rapings and murdering then too. as long as people have hate in their heart things will never change. and hate will always be there. yes there should be good gun control, but it shouldnt be easy to get one either.

[Reise]

BTW it is legal to hunt with an AK47 i know people that do it.

It is. But there are no true fully automatic AK's being imported to the US anymore. Most of the AK's you'll see are Romanian and Czech semi-auto clones. You can get the real Russian full auto ones from someone else who got one before the ban, but they would be incredibly expensive.

[avanti42]

BTW it is legal to hunt with an AK47 i know people that do it.

It is. But there are no true fully automatic AK's being imported to the US anymore. Most of the AK's you'll see are Romanian and Czech semi-auto clones. You can get the real Russian full auto ones from someone else who got one before the ban, but they would be incredibly expensive.

didnt know that, but the guy i was hunting with last week has one and i was playing around with it and i know that he hunts with it occasionally.

[Jstar1]

no guns kill people. You have logic in that other weapons can be used to kill but guns can kill a lot of people. I keep bringing the VT massacre. Cho should NOT have been given a gun yet he killed 30 people. Do you think he would have been able to do that with a knife or baseball bat?

[Barotix]

no guns kill people. You have logic in that other weapons can be used to kill but guns can kill a lot of people. I keep bringing the VT massacre. Cho should NOT have been given a gun yet he killed 30 people. Do you think he would have been able to do that with a knife or baseball bat?

yes; with a little planning and coordination he could kill 30+ before the day was over , but the dude was crazy so: NO

[Foilin]

no guns kill people. You have logic in that other weapons can be used to kill but guns can kill a lot of people. I keep bringing the VT massacre. Cho should NOT have been given a gun yet he killed 30 people. Do you think he would have been able to do that with a knife or baseball bat?

You can go to any little shitty store in the malll and get an 8foot katana for like 60 bucks and all you have to do is be 18. he could have killed those people with the katana/ any swords and PROBABLY killed more because there would have been no warning from gunshots! People kill people. PEOPLE.

[redneck]

no guns kill people. You have logic in that other weapons can be used to kill but guns can kill a lot of people. I keep bringing the VT massacre. Cho should NOT have been given a gun yet he killed 30 people. Do you think he would have been able to do that with a knife or baseball bat?

You can go to any little shitty store in the malll and get an 8foot katana for like 60 bucks and all you have to do is be 18. he could have killed those people with the katana/ any swords and PROBABLY killed more because there would have been no warning from gunshots! People kill people. PEOPLE.

**** the Katana get some ninja stars or throwing knives and kill 50+ people

[Jstar1]

no guns kill people. You have logic in that other weapons can be used to kill but guns can kill a lot of people. I keep bringing the VT massacre. Cho should NOT have been given a gun yet he killed 30 people. Do you think he would have been able to do that with a knife or baseball bat?

You can go to any little shitty store in the malll and get an 8foot katana for like 60 bucks and all you have to do is be 18. he could have killed those people with the katana/ any swords and PROBABLY killed more because there would have been no warning from gunshots! People kill people. PEOPLE.

yeah an 8 ft katana can kill 30 people? I'm sure Cho could do that if he rushes into the classroom swinging his sword. It has no range, people will just run away or either gang up on him and hit him or something. GUNS kill people and if mental and felons don't have guns they won't be able to inflict massive damage in such a short period of time.

Cho had like what 10 min to kill 30+ people? I'm sure he could scratch 3 people in 10 min if he even got close to somebody stupid enough to stand there when a crazy asian kid is running at you with a sword

[Foilin]

no guns kill people. You have logic in that other weapons can be used to kill but guns can kill a lot of people. I keep bringing the VT massacre. Cho should NOT have been given a gun yet he killed 30 people. Do you think he would have been able to do that with a knife or baseball bat?

You can go to any little shitty store in the malll and get an 8foot katana for like 60 bucks and all you have to do is be 18. he could have killed those people with the katana/ any swords and PROBABLY killed more because there would have been no warning from gunshots! People kill people. PEOPLE.

yeah an 8 ft katana can kill 30 people? I'm sure Cho could do that if he rushes into the classroom swinging his sword. It has no range, people will just run away or either gang up on him and hit him or something. GUNS kill people and if mental and felons don't have guns they won't be able to inflict massive damage in such a short period of time.

Cho had like what 10 min to kill 30+ people? I'm sure he could scratch 3 people in 10 min if he even got close to somebody stupid enough to stand there when a crazy asian kid is running at you with a sword

It was in a Dorm, if i recall correctly he was a foreign exchange student too, and yes if done right you could kill 30 people with a katana, esp in a small dorm room, thats 20 seconds per person...

[Jstar1]

no guns kill people. You have logic in that other weapons can be used to kill but guns can kill a lot of people. I keep bringing the VT massacre. Cho should NOT have been given a gun yet he killed 30 people. Do you think he would have been able to do that with a knife or baseball bat?

You can go to any little shitty store in the malll and get an 8foot katana for like 60 bucks and all you have to do is be 18. he could have killed those people with the katana/ any swords and PROBABLY killed more because there would have been no warning from gunshots! People kill people. PEOPLE.

yeah an 8 ft katana can kill 30 people? I'm sure Cho could do that if he rushes into the classroom swinging his sword. It has no range, people will just run away or either gang up on him and hit him or something. GUNS kill people and if mental and felons don't have guns they won't be able to inflict massive damage in such a short period of time.

Cho had like what 10 min to kill 30+ people? I'm sure he could scratch 3 people in 10 min if he even got close to somebody stupid enough to stand there when a crazy asian kid is running at you with a sword

It was in a Dorm, if i recall correctly he was a foreign exchange student too, and yes if done right you could kill 30 people with a katana, esp in a small dorm room, thats 20 seconds per person...

wow dude get your facts straight. It was in norris hall, one of the buildings with a lot of classrooms. He just went into each classroom shooting the people inside.

And he wasn't a foreign exchange student he was born in south korea but came to america when he was like 5

[Foilin]

no guns kill people. You have logic in that other weapons can be used to kill but guns can kill a lot of people. I keep bringing the VT massacre. Cho should NOT have been given a gun yet he killed 30 people. Do you think he would have been able to do that with a knife or baseball bat?

You can go to any little shitty store in the malll and get an 8foot katana for like 60 bucks and all you have to do is be 18. he could have killed those people with the katana/ any swords and PROBABLY killed more because there would have been no warning from gunshots! People kill people. PEOPLE.

yeah an 8 ft katana can kill 30 people? I'm sure Cho could do that if he rushes into the classroom swinging his sword. It has no range, people will just run away or either gang up on him and hit him or something. GUNS kill people and if mental and felons don't have guns they won't be able to inflict massive damage in such a short period of time.

Cho had like what 10 min to kill 30+ people? I'm sure he could scratch 3 people in 10 min if he even got close to somebody stupid enough to stand there when a crazy asian kid is running at you with a sword

It was in a Dorm, if i recall correctly he was a foreign exchange student too, and yes if done right you could kill 30 people with a katana, esp in a small dorm room, thats 20 seconds per person...

wow dude get your facts straight. It was in norris hall, one of the buildings with a lot of classrooms. He just went into each classroom shooting the people inside.

And he wasn't a foreign exchange student he was born in south korea but came to america when he was like 5

both of the first things i said were said wrong. i meant i thought it was in a dorm. massacres happen always will happen as long as there are people. the point is, a sword/blade is as deadly as a gun.

[Waisha]

Ok. Most countries except the US have fairly equal gunlaws. (Compared to US.)

"Most countries" have very little gun killings. (Compared to US.)
The US has MUCH MORE gun killings than "most countries".


I fail to see that it is more complicated than that.

[Sharp324]

You guys gotta remember people shoot guns for sport too. You know how many collectors would love to be able to get a nice G3 or MP5 but cant because the 86 import ban. Less you want to spend about 20-30 grand on one, pre 86. Gun sellers to be legal need to have a FFL to sell. I shoot for sport, not planning to shoot up a courthouse. Sure i have several semi automatic rifles. Romanian AK, AR converted to M4 standards just to name a few, but all under legal standards, why should a law abiding citizen like me have to give them up because idiots cant listen to law? Personally when i get the money im having a Benelli M4 in my house for protection, for me and my family. Also will be carrying a MK23 or such at 21 with a permit.

Not to sound ______ but if i saw a _____ ___ outside during a blackout i would probably shoot...

the blanks are so this doesn't get taken off topic

not sure if you were joking with that statement but people like you are the reason we need stricter gun laws. Would the people on this forum honestly feel safe knowing that a minor with access to so many weapons and enjoyed using them was living in their neighborhood.

Lol i was joking but minor atm but me being a minor doesnt mean im irresponsible with guns, like i said i use them for sport. A lot of people enjoy guns...thats why there are collectors...

Your argument is based on fear . Fear that the gov't might turn. Fear that you may be vulnerable. Fear that the next guy has a better gun. To me its jumping at shadows. Our gov't is in charge for a reason, police are given privileges for a reason. Theres a clear line between a civilian and an officer for a reason. Put your faith in what we have instead of this backward American need ideal of "A nation of one with every man for himself" If you feel so strongly about defense and protection become a police officer or join the National Guard. Those are the people who have endowed with the power to protect us and if you can't rely on them why have them. Because if we didn't have them and if we don't have stricter gun control laws every time someone pulls a gun on someone they'll have a bigger gun pointing back. If your for the country the way it works and the freedoms it gives don't abuse the privilege. Sharp has access to a small armory, my cousin who is on the Bomb Squad and a hunting enthusiast doesn't have that many weapons.

So what're all the guns for. What are you protecting that the National Guard and the Police aren't sworn to protect. If you think they can't handle it then get rid of them and you can have everyman looking out for his family and his property all by themselves.....what a wonderful country that will be.

Well if any of you remember my topic a few months ago about the crack heads trying to break in. Police said they couldnt do anything, so w/e. Having the gun is for protections too. Anyone who threatens me or my familys life I will use force against them. Plus it takes the police 10-15 minutes to get to where i live, by that time we could be dead. Would rather have a fighting chance. You say gun owners are full of fear, well you said you also hated people with guns, why? Because your afraid they might do something stupid.

It is. But there are no true fully automatic AK's being imported to the US anymore. Most of the AK's you'll see are Romanian and Czech semi-auto clones. You can get the real Russian full auto ones from someone else who got one before the ban, but they would be incredibly expensive.

Also true, mines Romanian. Pre 86 Russian Aks sell for about 10-14 thousand at some places.