Whats your take on evolution/creation (read my rules 1st)

[TOloseGT]

and that the same spot where evolution fails...

u saying creationism fails also?

it's ok man, believing in a half assed magician back in the 1st century AD is cool too!

[alienjep]

and that the same spot where evolution fails...

u saying creationism fails also?

it's ok man, believing in a half assed magician back in the 1st century AD is cool too!

i would say yes cause if said no if will be a long argument, until evolution is proven i won't believe it. i'm still pro creation, even though we don't have scientific proofs.

[XemnasXD]

Evolution is a theory and its one that has more science backing it up than discrediting it. You can look at certain species of animal and through fossil records see how they have evolved into the creatures they are today. You can look at their DNA and see that they share common links with other members of their species showing that at one point in time they were like them. So where exactly does evolution fail. Someone plz point out the hole in the theory

[Sylhana]

Evolution is a theory and its one that has more science backing it up than discrediting it. You can look at certain species of animal and through fossil records see how they have evolved into the creatures they are today. You can look at their DNA and see that they share common links with other members of their species showing that at one point in time they were like them. So where exactly does evolution fail. Someone plz point out the hole in the theory

Well, the problem with the theory, or should I say it still being a theory, is it is hard to prove. Theres many factors that drive evolution, but the most important one is time.

Scientifically, it is the most plausible theory we have. Dawkins stated in the blind watchmaker, that given enough time components of a boeing 747 on the ground would reassemble (without intervention) itself to form a boeing 747, just from random events alone. If you think about it, the probability of such an event is so low (but not 0), but if you had infinite time, it will happen.

Evolution theory is exactly that, a string of random events. Its hard to prove when time is your limiting factor, but there are ways around this (mathematical modelling for eg.). Even though it is hard to prove, it is also hard to disprove the theory.

[XemnasXD]

Evolution is a theory and its one that has more science backing it up than discrediting it. You can look at certain species of animal and through fossil records see how they have evolved into the creatures they are today. You can look at their DNA and see that they share common links with other members of their species showing that at one point in time they were like them. So where exactly does evolution fail. Someone plz point out the hole in the theory

Scientifically, it is the most plausible theory we have. Dawkins stated in the blind watchmaker, that given enough time components of a boeing 747 on the ground would reassemble (without intervention) itself to form a boeing 747, just from random events alone. If you think about it, the probability of such an event is so low (but not 0), but if you had infinite time, it will happen.

I don't understand that theory....the plane would theoretically...just being left alone no one doing anything reassemble itself? its just confusing. But i agree with your last statement that evolution is a string of random events, still when you have all this evidence backing it up its hard to refute. Especially from religious ppl who debate the existence of dinosaurs. Because if ppl who call themselves Christian really did believe in the bible they wouldn't believe in dinos, things like that tend to make their arguments really unbelievable.

[Stress]

The Bible said God made everything good. Why was there need for any evolution?


That's my belief.

[dom]

The Bible said God made everything good. Why was there need for any evolution?


That's my belief.

To believe that fact, you would have to believe in the infalibility of the bible: which is a joke. Even most Christians understand that the bible was not written by people with divine inspiration, and it is left to interpretation.

What's important is not whether or not Jesus walked on water, but it's how he showed us to live our lives and treat other people.

[XemnasXD]

Ppl shouldn't need inspiration to do decent things and live decent life. If you need to take the advice of ome 2000 year old carpenter to tell you not to kill, not to steal, and to do unto others what you want done to you then you need to grow up....

[dom]

Ppl shouldn't need inspiration to do decent things and live decent life. If you need to take the advice of ome 2000 year old carpenter to tell you not to kill, not to steal, and to do unto others what you want done to you then you need to grow up....

You forgot: be courteous and friendly; not to mention understanding and tolerant.

[Stress]

The Bible said God made everything good. Why was there need for any evolution?


That's my belief.

To believe that fact, you would have to believe in the infalibility of the bible: which is a joke. Even most Christians understand that the bible was not written by people with divine inspiration, and it is left to interpretation.

What's important is not whether or not Jesus walked on water, but it's how he showed us to live our lives and treat other people.

The bible is inerant and infailable. I believe it no matter what.

[XemnasXD]

Ppl shouldn't need inspiration to do decent things and live decent life. If you need to take the advice of ome 2000 year old carpenter to tell you not to kill, not to steal, and to do unto others what you want done to you then you need to grow up....

You forgot: be courteous and friendly; not to mention understanding and tolerant.

those are more circumstantial.....we should all get try to at least coexist...then after we do that we can try to get along

[Stress]

Ppl shouldn't need inspiration to do decent things and live decent life. If you need to take the advice of ome 2000 year old carpenter to tell you not to kill, not to steal, and to do unto others what you want done to you then you need to grow up....

It's not about being decent. It's about being holy. I'm far off, but that's what I'm looking for. It's a period of change in my life.

I haven't flamed thee. Do likewise with me.

[XemnasXD]

Ppl shouldn't need inspiration to do decent things and live decent life. If you need to take the advice of ome 2000 year old carpenter to tell you not to kill, not to steal, and to do unto others what you want done to you then you need to grow up....

It's not about being decent. It's about being holy. I'm far off, but that's what I'm looking for. It's a period of change in my life.

I haven't flamed thee. Do likewise with me.

that comment wasn't directed at you but if you think mortals can even come close to being holy i'd consider you a nutcase

[Stress]

Ppl shouldn't need inspiration to do decent things and live decent life. If you need to take the advice of ome 2000 year old carpenter to tell you not to kill, not to steal, and to do unto others what you want done to you then you need to grow up....

It's not about being decent. It's about being holy. I'm far off, but that's what I'm looking for. It's a period of change in my life.

I haven't flamed thee. Do likewise with me.

that comment wasn't directed at you but if you think mortals can even come close to being holy i'd consider you a nutcase

Of course sins appear in one's life, even after salvation. There was and there is no one perfect. But that doesn't mean one cannot have the desire to be holy and pursue it with all his strength and will.

[TOloseGT]

Of course sins appear in one's life, even after salvation. There was and there is no one perfect. But that doesn't mean one cannot have the desire to be holy and pursue it with all his strength and will.

that's a very noble pursuit and i wish u the best of luck. that's one of the things i like about christianity. u get these hardcore retards, then u have the good ppl that only want to live a fulfilling life to w/e end it may come to.

however, if u believe in the infallibility of the bible, why don't u believe in the odyssey. that book tells u that there are some things out of man's control, but u'll have to fight through it. pretty decent message.

[Barotix]

hmm.
the priest at my old schools [private catholicgrade 1 - 9 catholic][public grade 10 -11+ other]


had a way of putting things into perspective.
they went as far as saying.
in todays society of [this is as close as i can get 2 what he said 6x old priest oO] gizmos and gadgets, christianities str [i shortened] n general is wanning [spell check]. people would rather get rich quick then die, than slow down and think, what next.
what do i believe in if i dont believe in some kind of diety.

for you salesian youths [high school i was in] maybe some of you doubt God's or god's existance, but know this. there exist inside ea and every 1 of you the ability 2 be the best you can be. the ability 2 be as holy as a man [literally MAN - all boys school] can be.

so get straigh As or Bs, and then go out into the world. Not as good catholics hindus buddhist protestants daoist etc [he starts 2 show off, so i put etc]but as good people who know the laws of this world and thier country.

who realise that sometimes let going is the best thing 2 do.
so be as "holy" as a HUMAN can be, but dont let your creed blind you.

alright salesians [goes on some random ramble about St Jon Bosco]
then dismisses us.

[Rainigul]

Again, what the hell are you saying? Another contradiction made. You're trying to tell us God isn't theoretical? Well said Sylhana.

i'm no telling that God isn't theoretical, but isn't humans are a big proof that there is a Creator, just look at our whole body, i think almost every part of it has a purpose, it's very unbelievable that humans just evolve into what we are now.

... Don't you know what evolution is? It's mutations that happen in new generations, and the strongest survive. So only naturally would a species evolve into something that is so perfect.

Like a platypus, it seems so strange, but it is PERFECT for it's enironment, however, it's reach such a peak of perfection, that it cannot go anywhere that is not perfect for it to live.

Humans have evolved so that they fit where they live, but they have lived in so many places, and grew smart enough to overcome their shortcomings, that now they are able to live just about anywhere.

I have a question for all you bible-sayers.

Why would God want his creations to be so stupid?
I mean, he expects humans to believe something that was written down thousands of years ago, with absolutely no evidence that it's the truth.
I mean, if it was the only book, then maybe that's believable, but there are many holy books, so why does he expect you to believe in the bible? (and if you say "because it's the right one" then I'm gonna effing kill you, lol)
He expects you to put blind faith in one book written thousands of years ago, even though you have to option to NOT do that, or to chose a different book.

Do you know what I'm saying?

[XemnasXD]

Again, what the hell are you saying? Another contradiction made. You're trying to tell us God isn't theoretical? Well said Sylhana.

i'm no telling that God isn't theoretical, but isn't humans are a big proof that there is a Creator, just look at our whole body, i think almost every part of it has a purpose, it's very unbelievable that humans just evolve into what we are now.

The appendix has no purpose for ppl right now. At one point in the history of the Homo species it was useful but because we have EVOLVED it has become not only a useless organ but a potentially dangerous one that end up harming the human body...

[Xyzzzy]

Again, what the hell are you saying? Another contradiction made. You're trying to tell us God isn't theoretical? Well said Sylhana.

i'm no telling that God isn't theoretical, but isn't humans are a big proof that there is a Creator, just look at our whole body, i think almost every part of it has a purpose, it's very unbelievable that humans just evolve into what we are now.

The appendix has no purpose for ppl right now. At one point in the history of the Homo species it was useful but because we have EVOLVED it has become not only a useless organ but a potentially dangerous one that end up harming the human body...

ugh I hated mine

it burst and that was some bad surgery
ever had a doctor try to clean out your abdomen with a razor blade?

*shudders*

[dom]

The Bible said God made everything good. Why was there need for any evolution?


That's my belief.

To believe that fact, you would have to believe in the infalibility of the bible: which is a joke. Even most Christians understand that the bible was not written by people with divine inspiration, and it is left to interpretation.

What's important is not whether or not Jesus walked on water, but it's how he showed us to live our lives and treat other people.

The bible is inerant and infailable. I believe it no matter what.

So you do not cut the hair infront of your ears? Nor do you eat pork, or eat any meat on all Fridays?

Do you also believe that God gave hemrroids to all the villagers in the village of sodomy, as a punishment for being gay?

If you do not believe, and practice in all of the above, you are a hypocrite. You say you believe that the bible is infailable, but do you live your life according to its teachings?

[Sylhana]

Again, what the hell are you saying? Another contradiction made. You're trying to tell us God isn't theoretical? Well said Sylhana.

i'm no telling that God isn't theoretical, but isn't humans are a big proof that there is a Creator, just look at our whole body, i think almost every part of it has a purpose, it's very unbelievable that humans just evolve into what we are now.

The appendix has no purpose for ppl right now. At one point in the history of the Homo species it was useful but because we have EVOLVED it has become not only a useless organ but a potentially dangerous one that end up harming the human body...

The appendix has some limited function, to do with bacterial recolonization, immune system attenuation to normal gut flora etc. But we are able to cope fine without one, so it isnt that significant.

Well, just a bit of caution when considering humans for functional discussion. The average life expectancy of cavemen is much shorter than the average metropolitan. Our life expectancy has greatly improved over the last few centuries but our bodies havent evolved. Much of the health problems related to ageing is the fact that our bodies couldnt take the test of time.

[Xyzzzy]

Again, what the hell are you saying? Another contradiction made. You're trying to tell us God isn't theoretical? Well said Sylhana.

i'm no telling that God isn't theoretical, but isn't humans are a big proof that there is a Creator, just look at our whole body, i think almost every part of it has a purpose, it's very unbelievable that humans just evolve into what we are now.

The appendix has no purpose for ppl right now. At one point in the history of the Homo species it was useful but because we have EVOLVED it has become not only a useless organ but a potentially dangerous one that end up harming the human body...

The appendix has some limited function, to do with bacterial recolonization, immune system attenuation to normal gut flora etc. But we are able to cope fine without one, so it isnt that significant.

Well, just a bit of caution when considering humans for functional discussion. The average life expectancy of cavemen is much shorter than the average metropolitan. Our life expectancy has greatly improved over the last few centuries but our bodies havent evolved. Much of the health problems related to ageing is the fact that our bodies couldnt take the test of time.

You said it, the reason we are living longer though is the technology.
The reason I say that is you left it out of your post, and a meaning may not get across to a lot of the stubborn mules we have, and I didn't want that to become some dumb debate in itself.

[Draquish]

where do i sign-up for matrinism?

You don't, this is not real.

[alienjep]

... Don't you know what evolution is? It's mutations that happen in new generations, and the strongest survive. So only naturally would a species evolve into something that is so perfect.

Like a platypus, it seems so strange, but it is PERFECT for it's enironment, however, it's reach such a peak of perfection, that it cannot go anywhere that is not perfect for it to live.

Humans have evolved so that they fit where they live, but they have lived in so many places, and grew smart enough to overcome their shortcomings, that now they are able to live just about anywhere.

I have a question for all you bible-sayers.

Why would God want his creations to be so stupid?
I mean, he expects humans to believe something that was written down thousands of years ago, with absolutely no evidence that it's the truth.
I mean, if it was the only book, then maybe that's believable, but there are many holy books, so why does he expect you to believe in the bible? (and if you say "because it's the right one" then I'm gonna effing kill you, lol)
He expects you to put blind faith in one book written thousands of years ago, even though you have to option to NOT do that, or to chose a different book.

Do you know what I'm saying?

we should believe the Bible because like u said it is written thousands of years ago,u think any book will survive that long without the protection of God. And if u didn't know, the Bible isn't a book thousands of years ago, it was a collection of letters(for christians) and manuscript. The first Bible, the KJV,which is published in 1611, is from those 1500+ manuscripts and letters that is preserve by every Christians. would u not believe in a book that is preserve thousands of years.

and if humans evolve, why aren't there any species now that are in between humans and monkeys???if us say we evolve there should be at least one or more species that is in between...

[dom]

Next week, for my western intellectual history's seminar, were doing evolution vs creationism -.-

[Sylhana]

and if humans evolve, why aren't there any species now that are in between humans and monkeys???if us say we evolve there should be at least one or more species that is in between...

It isnt exactly clear what you mean in between in this context. The biggest evolutionary advantage that humans evolve is intelligence. So in that sense I could argue that there is proof <.<.

If you mean by physical features, then evolution driving forces may not favour their existence, much like why other species become extinct. Humans evolved over a long time period. Climate changes, food resource, migration, predators, survival behaviour, so many factors that could drive natural selection. One genetic mistake could favour survival of that gene lineage (for eg see sickle cell vs malaria).

Besides, the image of a typical modern human is a simulacra. Theres so much cosmesis that our views are distorted to start with :Syl ranting on a tangent:

Our physical measurements can be compared to fossils of early humans, which exist. You could track the evolution of upright walking (or backpain, if you are pessimistic <.<). Why they didnt survive to this day and age is still a guess. What did we evolve that they didnt? Maybe one day we could find the answer.

[XemnasXD]

... Don't you know what evolution is? It's mutations that happen in new generations, and the strongest survive. So only naturally would a species evolve into something that is so perfect.

Like a platypus, it seems so strange, but it is PERFECT for it's enironment, however, it's reach such a peak of perfection, that it cannot go anywhere that is not perfect for it to live.

Humans have evolved so that they fit where they live, but they have lived in so many places, and grew smart enough to overcome their shortcomings, that now they are able to live just about anywhere.

I have a question for all you bible-sayers.

Why would God want his creations to be so stupid?
I mean, he expects humans to believe something that was written down thousands of years ago, with absolutely no evidence that it's the truth.
I mean, if it was the only book, then maybe that's believable, but there are many holy books, so why does he expect you to believe in the bible? (and if you say "because it's the right one" then I'm gonna effing kill you, lol)
He expects you to put blind faith in one book written thousands of years ago, even though you have to option to NOT do that, or to chose a different book.

Do you know what I'm saying?

we should believe the Bible because like u said it is written thousands of years ago,u think any book will survive that long without the protection of God. And if u didn't know, the Bible isn't a book thousands of years ago, it was a collection of letters(for christians) and manuscript. The first Bible, the KJV,which is published in 1611, is from those 1500+ manuscripts and letters that is preserve by every Christians.

I don't know where to begin with that statement. I guess the best place is from the beginning

1.Firstly there are lots of manuscripts still in their original text from thousands of years ago.
2. The Bible did not survive thousands of year over the course of time it was edited, chapters were removed and added, and some chapters were completely revised. The Bible 2000 doesn't equal the Bible today.
3. The first Bible was not the KJV the first bible was written by the Israelites (not the jews) long before jesus came along. The entire New Testament is a revision, an add on, an expansion pack that nobody liked except for die-hard crazy ppl.
4. If you think the King James Version was the original Bible you need to go to sunday school more often. Because English is one of the most flawed languages in the world and because the of British arrogance the KJV has lost ALOT in translation and is probably the most incomplete bible today.

[nicko9000]

Well you can write our bible then lol. Make sure you quote the machines that may or may not exist.

Oh; I know they exist. It's just that I can't prove they exist...actually, noeone can. And that is the reason we should all bow down to them and worship the very thought of their existence.

You just totally had a crack at religious peeps.

lol.

where do i sign up for matrinism?

can i be the phone box

[Sharp324]

Topic gives me a headache, in the way i think, something made what made us and something had to make that which something had to make that which something had to make that....get the point

[redneck]

YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF HERETICS!!! But dont worry JEsus will forgive u