Bow build 70:70 GUIDE Updated 3.0!

[FK47]

One last point i wanted to make. If you notice there are probably more pure builds at higher lvl than hybrid builds and theres a reason for it.

Some character called Wind apparently uses the build. He also owns, apparently, although anyone has yet to see any evidence of that other than Jadekiss claiming it's the truth.

[Jadekiss]

@Manowar...hmm in some points u have right but not in all... but nvm i dont comment anymore, why not ? because no1 will stop posting here and argument that pure are the best or hybrid sux !
but why could theb oth hybrid player on GNGWC won the silkroad contest ? lucky huh ? that was my simple answer to your statement...

@FK47.... no comment ?

ok to all i stop now posting here..
why ? because im tired of wasting time and time to show u that this way of a bower would change al the meanings of pure chars...
so why should i go on here ? when i post another fact than some ask a stupid quest and blame me for something which he wants to see or he wants me to show him .. but the most aspects in this guide why this build is a good choice i already posted if u guys would read the post more carefully.... yea i know i have no video proofs of such a build on pvp cause i only know Wind on aege who has such a build an he pwns... i wanted to make a pvp video of him but tired also ...why ? because he is so often off or afk maybe the time diffent of his place is to big...but ok
so i quit posting here now and wich u all good luck with ur way
you can try this build and give it a chance or just leave it i dont care anymore i dont need to give u a proof for this build...why not ? because i think you are clever enough to decide what is good and what not...what is logic and what not....
so my build could be a theorycraft like manowar said but maybe not ?
you have to find it out u just leave it

btw i thx all for posting their statements here also for the guys who post against me =)

cya and good luck ...... thread end ?

[Da_Realest]

@Manowar...hmm in some points u have right but not in all... but nvm i dont comment anymore, why not ? because no1 will stop posting here and argument that pure are the best or hybrid sux !
but why could theb oth hybrid player on GNGWC won the silkroad contest ? lucky huh ? that was my simple answer to your statement...

No one is debating about hybrids being better than pures. Just Pure Str Archer being better than 80:80 archers.

By the way, that GNGWC winner has nothing to do with a 80:80 archers. The GNGWC winner was a int hybrid. A spear user I believe.

[ubahzor]

@Manowar Do you have clear proof that the avarage damage of pure str archer is higher then this 80:80 archer?
If there is no proof, neither is better. AND people can deceide for themselves what is better: more hp or more damage from int

[Zing]

I went on Aege server to check out Wind. Unfortunately, he wasn't on at the time. So I decided to chat with the high level players on about Wind.

My first response was from PHN1, a level 7x pure str glaive player. He says Wind sucks in PVP, but does fairly well in PVE. But, this doesn't conclude that hybrid build sucks, because I went on talking to another high level player that says Wind is a good player.

After chatting with PHN1 for awhile, he begins telling me that hybrid bow is a strong build. Telling me that Toantang76, a hybrid bow player, is superb at Silkroad Online (though, he tells me that Toantang76 switched to glaive). He also subscribed to me other people who are hybrid bow, which are good players.

He also says, hybrid using +5 weapon would equal to the same of pure strength using a +7.

PHN1 approves of hybrid bow through his own experiences. Though this is not concrete evidence saying that hybrid bow is actually good, but it is eye witness proof leaning on the side of hybrid bow being a good build. I'm currently waiting until Wind gets on, or Toantang76, so I can get their opinion and/or knowledge about this topic. Also, I am continually talking to other high levels on about their opinions.

[Da_Realest]

@Manowar Do you have clear proof that the avarage damage of pure str archer is higher then this 80:80 archer?
If there is no proof, neither is better. AND people can deceide for themselves what is better: more hp or more damage from int

No one is debating which does more damage either. Its obvious the hybrid does due to the total balance. But can a hybrid bow stay alive long enough to do that damage? No. Spear hybrids have knockback and stun and 1k hp to keep them alive. Sword hybrids have kd, a shield to block, and the extra defense it has to survive a pure str. What does hybrid bow have? Nothing. You have nothing to buy you time to live to do that damage. Most int hybrids have a total balance of about 152% without alchemy and they still struggle to stay alive even with the the defensive things I stated above and the damage they do. Now how could a build that has 140% without alchemy stay alive long enough to do that damage when they have none of the reasons I stated above to buy them time? Who said the damage would even be enough? A pure str archer struggles to stay alive even with all the hp they have but they will last longer than the hybrid archers and probably deal equal damage in the time that it takes them to die.

It doesn't really matter if he adds alchemy to increase his balance by 20% to 160%. Other builds can do the same.

Here is a good str archer. I don't see why people say they can't kill. They rely on criticals. These videos were before alchemy but if a pure str archer wears about the same blues as each other build, the outcome would be just the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abg1mtYSFvk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoyItOtVocE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fONiSodQQ

[taintofsleep]

and he is without a doubt a pure str? with a very nice bow and gear probably?

[FK47]

The bow is +5. He is pure STR or very heavy STR hybrid because his HP goes over 10k while his MP stays under.

[Da_Realest]

and he is without a doubt a pure str? with a very nice bow and gear probably?

Yea, he's a pure str bow. I doubt that his gear would be anything more than +3 besides the bow being +5 and since there was no alchemy in JSRO at the time these videos were made. I pmed him about his build and he told me he was a power archer. I'm just assuming that means he's pure str or atleast a str balance of 90% or higher since it would take a good deal of str and a decent balance to do damage and tank like that.

[longlost]

lol now pure str is debating about the survivability just like i have said before on this topic
even pure str crit is higher..but overal dmg won by hybrid... anyway wat we can really see from the comment of the winner is

1) int does add to dmg (mainly imbue)
2) pure str rely on high hp to kill
3) well balanced hybrid rely on high dmg to kill

even this guide is for bow, one thing for sure, balance build will give max dmg. so its the players choices, to make a dmg dealer or to be tanker.

oddly ppl still thinks that crit is higher then overal dmg, did u all see jadekiss past calculations??

the tourney champ said that they build hybrid cuz to deal the quickest and highest dmg.

because of this post i also thinks that bladder also can give higher dmg and kill more efficiently. in the past bladder are consider super tanker, why not build a killer bladder, with high dmg but average hp, who cares, u got KD and stab, ppl die faster before they can hit u enough.

anyway this is an interesting topic. tq for all the contributer.

[Da_Realest]

lol now pure str is debating about the survivability just like i have said before on this topic
even pure str crit is higher..but overal dmg won by hybrid... anyway wat we can really see from the comment of the winner is

1) int does add to dmg (mainly imbue)
2) pure str rely on high hp to kill
3) well balanced hybrid rely on high dmg to kill

even this guide is for bow, one thing for sure, balance build will give max dmg. so its the players choices, to make a dmg dealer or to be tanker.

oddly ppl still thinks that crit is higher then overal dmg, did u all see jadekiss past calculations??

the tourney champ said that they build hybrid cuz to deal the quickest and highest dmg.

because of this post i also thinks that bladder also can give higher dmg and kill more efficiently. in the past bladder are consider super tanker, why not build a killer bladder, with high dmg but average hp, who cares, u got KD and stab, ppl die faster before they can hit u enough.

anyway this is an interesting topic. tq for all the contributer.

Did you even read my post? A str archer is more efficient just because it can actually survive long enough to do damage. And I already said that hybrid one overall damage. If its was just a fight based on damage then pure int spear hybrid would kill every build.

Like I said about 3 times already, a hybrid int has about 152% balance and does much more damage than a 70:70 bow and still has trouble surviving against a pure str even with skills that buy them time.

As a archer what do you have to buy time? Nothing. No kd, no blocking, no stun, no knockback, or 1k hp buff or anything. With a balance lower than 80% pure str criticals are going to hurt. Not like they would need them to kill you though. The best thing you had going for you was criticals. Too bad you won't live long enough to get enough of them.

No one cares about the damage you can do if you can't survive long enough to do that damage(which is definitely not enough to kill a pure str of EQUAL gear).

Make a blader a killer? This truly baffles me. If a blader fights another str of equal gear it will be a pot fight. Other random probabilities will determine who wins the fight. You want a killer with high damage but average hp? Go hybrid int sword.

If you didn't know, 1% int damage is greater than 1% str damage. This is why people make int hybrids instead of str hybrids.

I got nothing against your build. Prove to me that this build is actually good and not that Wind is a good player. A good player can make pretty much any build look good.

[Zing]

Finally gain contact with Wind. Asked him a few questions about his build and what's his average ratio of losing and/or winning in PVP. Couldn't really get much information out of him, because he was busy.

I asked him what's his average in pvping against pure strength bow. He answered back by saying one-hundred percent in winning.

I also asked him on about fighting against pure strength glaive. He says if their gear was equal, he would have to use tactics to win. But, with the stun ability it hardens the difficulty in winning against the pure strength glaive.

About the build, he says that the build matches the bow because of how the bow is set.

I myself is going to settle with hybrid bow, because I do not want to rely on criticals to actually deal hard damage. Also, I hate garment, I see too many people wearing it, and the look of it isn't as appealing as the last tier of armor and protector. I'd rather deal more damage than to have a lot of hp with lower damage.

They're both great builds. But it all depends on your aspect of definition of fun.

[NuclearSilo]

ok guys, i read the whole thread and i heard that ppl always claim pure str archer crit does more than pure int's. U can call me a noob or whatever, because i have no experience about archer. But at least show me a proof that pure str archer does (with same weapon, gear of course), a screenshot, for exemple.

[taintofsleep]

Dayamn boi!!!! Archers got range! The point is to unload without crossing your fingers that a critical will hit. This is an Int heavy build. For my char to have 69:70 I have to put 2 int 1 str every time. What erryone is saying is that this build sacrifices hp in order to do more damage. It's like critting all the time. What's the need for hp if you are pumping out damage like that of a crit? Less waiting time IMO.

[Da_Realest]

Dayamn boi!!!! Archers got range! The point is to unload without crossing your fingers that a critical will hit. This is an Int heavy build. For my char to have 69:70 I have to put 2 int 1 str every time. What erryone is saying is that this build sacrifices hp in order to do more damage. It's like critting all the time. What's the need for hp if you are pumping out damage like that of a crit? Less waiting time IMO.

140% is not greater than 152% And you're only going to be using that full 140% IF you critical.

Do you guys not comprehend what I am saying? You're not going to have enough hp to tank because you don't have any skills to buy time. Have fun laying on the ground when you play against any experienced players.

They're both great builds. But it all depends on your aspect of definition of fun.

I agree. But the author naming this the best bow build, its is definitely not.

Props to Wind.

[taintofsleep]

It's funny how I saw a lot more hybrid bows after I saw this. It's not that this guide made more peolpe make hybrid bows it's just that their is a lot out there. I asked a guy on RedSea server what his build was after he posted a global stating,"You can't run from a Pacheon.' Well something like that. I asked him what kind he was and he said he was hybrid 2int1str. I know he was a higher level. He said that he could beat nukers easily and that he loved the build. I haven't talked much to str bowers on the server, but I found that my level 31 pure str bower was getting awefully boring.

[longlost]

lol again its about tanking..

[Da_Realest]

lol again its about tanking..

And again there is no reading comprehension. Since you only care about power so much go pure int spear and have fun in pvp.

[IceCrash]

lol again its about tanking..

And again there is no reading comprehension. Since you only care about power so much go pure int spear and have fun in pvp.

lol dr, everything u and they said its gd, i jst came heere to say that.
One fact, you cannot tank forver
Second fact, who needs to count on luck everytime gets a bad result more times than a gd result
Third, what they are trying to say is, what they are thinking in is that they can kill fast(mroe dmg in less time) and they can still tank

plz dont call me noob, get mad at me or w.e lol, i jst felt like posting cause i think u guys arent trying to understand each others very well.

[IguanaRampage]

nope.
Bow is all about the crits. There is a reason why anti-devil has a high % chance of crits-- because it is meant to crit in order to do dmg. Remember, once you get devil arrow bow becomes the highest dmging strength class in the game. Devil bow is the best phys move in the game--- don't you want to make use of that by going pure str? With a pure str bow with good crit, devil bow can 1-hit many nukers and can do unbelievable amounts of dmg to strengths. With these awesome phys moves that are absolute ownage, especially when they crit, why would you sacrifice crit damage and hp by not going full strength????? Since bow's moves are based on phys in the first place, going str hybrid or int hybrid will NOT be as effective as with the other weapons, since they compensate for lower physical damage moves, lower crit damage, and not as much range with KD, KB, and Stun. Instead of these effects, bow has a high crit chance with anti-devil and does tons of damage with a crit on devil arrow or strong bow, making pure str bow the most logical option.

[taintofsleep]

nope.
Bow is all about the crits. There is a reason why anti-devil has a high % chance of crits-- because it is meant to crit in order to do dmg. Remember, once you get devil arrow bow becomes the highest dmging strength class in the game. Devil bow is the best phys move in the game--- don't you want to make use of that by going pure str? With a pure str bow with good crit, devil bow can 1-hit many nukers and can do unbelievable amounts of dmg to strengths. With these awesome phys moves that are absolute ownage, especially when they crit, why would you sacrifice crit damage and hp by not going full strength????? Since bow's moves are based on phys in the first place, going str hybrid or int hybrid will NOT be as effective as with the other weapons, since they compensate for lower physical damage moves, lower crit damage, and not as much range with KD, KB, and Stun. Instead of these effects, bow has a high crit chance with anti-devil and does tons of damage with a crit on devil arrow or strong bow, making pure str bow the most logical option.

Hrm, please read the other posts before you repeat something that we have cleared up before. kthxbye

[Jadekiss]

hmm i see you guys still discussing here like hell...
inever thought it would be so painfull...
guys its just a guide and nothing else... there are some ppl who ae clever enough to see what im trying to show u with this guide and some ppl will be still stubbornly ... they will say that bow is based only on crit so bow need to be a pure str weapon... what i cant under stand... ok phy damage give u a high amount of crit damage but u cant fight in pvp and hope always for a crit... withouth a crit ur damage kinda sux...
but ok stop this discussing about crit etc.

pls this is just in idea and a guide for a bow char... in my eyes and my exp. its the best build so thats why i call the thread Best Bow Build.... ok ?
nothing else if you are clever you could find the answer by your own but nvm

and tell me pls ... that the maker of SRO made the game so thats its based only on pure chars.... WTF?
there are 2 pure int and 2 pure str weapon withouth bow.... so what is bow then ? it is str because of the crit ? nope.... its is full int because of the mag damage ? nope... bow has the middle damage of all weapon either high phy neither high mag damage its my opinion so u can agree or not i dont care

but WTF are u guys trying to show here (who are against this build) cant u just accept this build and go your own way ? i hope if u are a full str archer i really hope that u later meet such a bow build and he will pwn u... i really hope that... than u can post....a SRY here but ok

good luck

[NuclearSilo]

nope.
Bow is all about the crits. There is a reason why anti-devil has a high % chance of crits-- because it is meant to crit in order to do dmg. Remember, once you get devil arrow bow becomes the highest dmging strength class in the game. Devil bow is the best phys move in the game--- don't you want to make use of that by going pure str? With a pure str bow with good crit, devil bow can 1-hit many nukers and can do unbelievable amounts of dmg to strengths. With these awesome phys moves that are absolute ownage, especially when they crit, why would you sacrifice crit damage and hp by not going full strength????? Since bow's moves are based on phys in the first place, going str hybrid or int hybrid will NOT be as effective as with the other weapons, since they compensate for lower physical damage moves, lower crit damage, and not as much range with KD, KB, and Stun. Instead of these effects, bow has a high crit chance with anti-devil and does tons of damage with a crit on devil arrow or strong bow, making pure str bow the most logical option.

How about a shield with critical 100(100%) => go to hell, pure str bow

[Jadekiss]

@NuclearSilo haha xD nice one respect i would never get this idea to post such an aspect
really nice

[Zing]

If you want to crit hard, acquire a lot amount of health points, and have an incredible physical defense, by all means, go pure strength.

If you want to do constant higher damage than a pure strength (but lower than its critical), and you do not mind sacrificing health points to do so, but keep an O-K amount of health points with an equal defense against magical and physical, go hybrid.

I'm leaning on the hybrid side, since it seems more fun.

I've played pure strength, it gets boring when only do physical attacks to do well. With hybrid I can use magical attack and physical, which gives me more options to do things.

Just because one skill supports critical, doesn't mean it's automatically a pure strength build. Look at Fire Force, it has a skill which supports shield (Fire Shield Series), but it does not mean Fire Force is shield oriented.

[Jadekiss]

@Zing yeah thats what i also wanted to say its up to you and only you what you decide.
Go your own way and if you like it stay that way and go on if not u can still change.
But did you notice that i didnt really said something against pure str archer ?
ijust said its not the best choice but still ok... so i didnt really offens someone here... but did you also notice that most of the ppl who post against this thread throw me some things against my head ? o.O
nvm if u need to do that ok keep on doing that i dont care

i just think this build is a better choice for an archer but if you think an archer must be full str than do it ... i wont stop you. just do it and shoe your powerfull bow (which based on crit) *cought*

[FK47]

The stupidity from several members in this thread is nothing short of astounding.

The facts have been rubbed in your face hundreds of times now and you still refuse to see any sense.

[longlost]

@koa no ! it depends on ur balance for example ur a full str and hit with crit 7000 dmg... 6000 dmg come from phy and 1000 from mag attack power
now look at str hybrid bow u get kinda 5500 dmg from phy and 1500 dmg from mag = 7000 dmg aswell so there is no different BUT if u raise ur MAG balance to 80% u will have adam nice dmgexample 80:60 hybrid = 7000dmg on crit / 5500+1500
but what about 80:80 ? 5500+5500 =11000 dmg ? haha nice huh ? ur are pretty stronger than a full str or str hybrid believe me... that is the fact

omg the facts is already rubbed repeatedly and softly to the pure str face!. wat the hell about crit discussion anymore! still wanna talk about crit dmg??

wat prove this calculations? cerux have posted in this post about the GNGWC winner. the winner says they wanted to give highest dmg in the quickest time?..do u all ever read??? the winner play hybrid 2int:1str build spear and sword shield. wat do we get from here??? hybrid do give highest dmg. event its int hybrid. but its a hybrid!!

omg its seems like this topic is not about the idea's anymore. its about the war of pure str claiming their self to be the best compare to hybrid.

o well, the prove is out there. its up to u all to choked it out or just throw it away. maybe this topic should be close.

[IguanaRampage]

nope.
Bow is all about the crits. There is a reason why anti-devil has a high % chance of crits-- because it is meant to crit in order to do dmg. Remember, once you get devil arrow bow becomes the highest dmging strength class in the game. Devil bow is the best phys move in the game--- don't you want to make use of that by going pure str? With a pure str bow with good crit, devil bow can 1-hit many nukers and can do unbelievable amounts of dmg to strengths. With these awesome phys moves that are absolute ownage, especially when they crit, why would you sacrifice crit damage and hp by not going full strength????? Since bow's moves are based on phys in the first place, going str hybrid or int hybrid will NOT be as effective as with the other weapons, since they compensate for lower physical damage moves, lower crit damage, and not as much range with KD, KB, and Stun. Instead of these effects, bow has a high crit chance with anti-devil and does tons of damage with a crit on devil arrow or strong bow, making pure str bow the most logical option.

How about a shield with critical 100(100%) => go to hell, pure str bow

well then if its a shield, u either have
a) a blader who will own ur a.ss anyway even if u are hybrid, because he'll KD u before u can get any good dmg off, and ur crits suk so u cant actually stand a chance of killing him before he KDs u again, since bow doesn't have stun or anything to stop the KD
b)int sword or hybrid sword, in which case they will pwn u so fast with the KDs and stabs, and, because you have far less hp than your regular bow, you will once again die fast, about as fast as an int hybrid spear that does less dmg, with no stun or KB.
Im serious. Str bow is an awesome build for teamplay or getting a good strong crit on someone (especially a nuker) and killing them. I have never seen a good hybrid bow. I may be wrong, but I kinda doubt it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj8KjP_Myyg&NR
Have fun watching a great Hydralisk vid. Keep in mind that the 2nd battle is a lvl 69 hybrid bow against a lvl 65 pure str...

[Zing]

nope.
Bow is all about the crits. There is a reason why anti-devil has a high % chance of crits-- because it is meant to crit in order to do dmg. Remember, once you get devil arrow bow becomes the highest dmging strength class in the game. Devil bow is the best phys move in the game--- don't you want to make use of that by going pure str? With a pure str bow with good crit, devil bow can 1-hit many nukers and can do unbelievable amounts of dmg to strengths. With these awesome phys moves that are absolute ownage, especially when they crit, why would you sacrifice crit damage and hp by not going full strength????? Since bow's moves are based on phys in the first place, going str hybrid or int hybrid will NOT be as effective as with the other weapons, since they compensate for lower physical damage moves, lower crit damage, and not as much range with KD, KB, and Stun. Instead of these effects, bow has a high crit chance with anti-devil and does tons of damage with a crit on devil arrow or strong bow, making pure str bow the most logical option.

How about a shield with critical 100(100%) => go to hell, pure str bow

well then if its a shield, u either have
a) a blader who will own ur a.ss anyway even if u are hybrid, because he'll KD u before u can get any good dmg off, and ur crits suk so u cant actually stand a chance of killing him before he KDs u again, since bow doesn't have stun or anything to stop the KD
b)int sword or hybrid sword, in which case they will pwn u so fast with the KDs and stabs, and, because you have far less hp than your regular bow, you will once again die fast, about as fast as an int hybrid spear that does less dmg, with no stun or KB.
Im serious. Str bow is an awesome build for teamplay or getting a good strong crit on someone (especially a nuker) and killing them. I have never seen a good hybrid bow. I may be wrong, but I kinda doubt it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj8KjP_Myyg&NR
Have fun watching a great Hydralisk vid. Keep in mind that the 2nd battle is a lvl 69 hybrid bow against a lvl 65 pure str...

Okay, first. What is the date of this video? Because, through Silkroad Online's history, things change. So, if this video was submitted at a much later date, it wouldn't be accurate. Second, this hybrid is int majority, not a balance hybrid. This video pretty much render as null and void for this topic.

In a battle between which build is good, it comes down to gear, player, tactics.

It is obvious that a hybrid balance will do constant higher damage than a pure str bow, because of its magical setting. But, pure str will always crit higher.

Let's do math: Let's say the pure str does a critical hit every forth hit.
Balance Hybrid Bow: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 x 12 = 24
Pure Strength bow: 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 = (9 x 1) + (3 x 3) = 18

In the end, hybrid does more damage. I have a pure strength bow, with a 10 crit bow (%66), I usually get a critical every 5 hits.