Israel and the Gaza

[omier]

Granted the USA has been drawn into allot of conflicts the last 50 Years but that comes with being a superpower same happens to Russia.

Hmh, drawn.

[Aristocrat]

with this theory, lets just blow up half of the countries in africa, they are mean to eachother, and hey USA has started more wars in the time it's been a country then any other power in the last 600 years so hey, lets blow up the States aswell.

I think you need to brush up on your history. Europe is the king of war and will remain so for quite some time the british and french hell even the dutch have started more wars then the USA. Granted the USA has been drawn into allot of conflicts the last 50 Years but that comes with being a superpower same happens to Russia.

I'm pretty sure he meant (wars started)/(years of existence).

yea.

[_Dutchy_]

I'm pretty sure he meant (wars started)/(years of existence).

yea.

10-13 wars in 227 years i don't think thats bad

I'l look it up later to be sure but i'm pretty sure that britain has had more then 13 wars in the last 227 years.

[heroo]

True, but Britain was a superpower way longer then the U.S. have been.

[penfold1992]

130 dead from isreals bombing? im not sure if isreal or missing or not targeting people as apposed to targeting specific buildings or sites.

seeing as isreal has a stupendous amount of defense on all sides and worried about multiple invasions from other countries including iran... why is it that the majority of integrity in isreal still stands perfectly fine.
Also we all know that isreal is armed quite well for pending war, so why havent they blown apart not only gaza or the other palestinian sides but also not rid the world of irans nuclear sites.

Another point, why does isreal stand on the boarder with yet more power and not just attack whenever its ready, isreal have been ready for YEARS! its not invaded palistine territory on its ground front since its attack in 2007 which isreal retreaded and gave in to the palistinians.

oh did i mention its the only jewish dominant country surrounded by all islamic states in the arab nation?
i think ive answered my opening question

[heroo]

^

Because the U.S. decide what happens in the Middle-East and not Israël.

[cbkilla]

seeing as isreal has a stupendous amount of defense on all sides and worried about multiple invasions from other countries including iran... why is it that the majority of integrity in isreal still stands perfectly fine.
Also we all know that isreal is armed quite well for pending war, so why havent they blown apart not only gaza or the other palestinian sides but also not rid the world of irans nuclear sites.

lol we could ez pz but the whole world would go ape shit.

[heroo]

Hmm, so if the whole world would disagree with Israëls actions, the whole world would be wrong and Israël would be right? Is that what you mean?

[cbkilla]

The way you twist words is hilarious, im to tired to even try arguing.

Edit: both sides supposedly side a crease fire that is to go in affect at 9pm. As of 8:32pm both sides are still firing.

[Fiction]

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Because the U.S. decide what happens in the Middle-East and not Israël.

Lol and we are the ones being mislead by the propaganda... If Israel want the Arab nations gone, you'd know it by the large holes in the earth where these Arab cities used to stand. But of course they go on the attack, only looking for Hamas leaders, to protect their own country that has been under constant attack for the last few years, and they are the bad guys.

Sorry but thats a tough pill to swallow..

[heroo]

If they really want to get rid of Hamas, they have to take on Iran. Hamas has nothing to do with Gaza. It's a shia organisation financed by Iran and with their headquarters in Syria which ofcourse is also controlled by Iran. There is almost no support for Hamas in Gaza, but the people of Gaza are too afraid to say something.

[_Dutchy_]

If they really want to get rid of Hamas, they have to take on Iran. Hamas has nothing to do with Gaza. It's a shia organisation financed by Iran and with their headquarters in Syria which ofcourse is also controlled by Iran. There is almost no support for Hamas in Gaza, but the people of Gaza are too afraid to say something.

Correct me if i'm wrong wasn't hamas actaully elected by the poeple in Gaza?

[heroo]

It's what you call elected. Who do you think 'oversees' the voting bureaus? And it had alot to do with Israël leaving the Gaza at that time and Hamas made it look like Israël left because of them.

EDIT: hahah, you gotta love Dutch humor it's in english, so you can all watch it. http://www.luckymedia.nl/luckytv/

[omier]

http://www.luckymedia.nl/luckytv/

LOL.

[cbkilla]

Not even a hour after the cease fire began gaza sent over another 3 rockets, sigh.

Edit, make that 12 rockets.

[Aristocrat]

fireworks and rockets isnt the same thing.

just a side note. I'm a pure arian, I'm not a muslim, so don't bla bla about it.




Iran is such a threat to humanity, I agree with media

[omier]

Lol, some countries should mind their own business. Like North Korea... It probably sucks to live there but they don't go around trying to gain some land everywhere in the world. And I'm not admiring North Korea or anything lol. Also, the pic tells me to occupy London... So let's go?

[XemnasXD]

fireworks and rockets isnt the same thing.

just a side note. I'm a pure arian, I'm not a muslim, so don't bla bla about it.




Iran is such a threat to humanity, I agree with media

1. Iran wasn't trying to build nuclear weapons back then and it was basically suffering so so much infighting it wasn't in a position to attack anyone and when it was...
2. I'm pretty sure Iraq and Iran had a nice long war in some of which took place on Iraq soil and the hostage crisis which technically took place on US soil so either that chart is just ignoring those things or it's written by some undergraduate degenerate trying to impress other undergraduate degenerates

either way i don't know what it's supposed to prove. Iran has a very unstable government controlled by muslim extremist who have backed terrorist groups. Their supreme leader even issued a death warrant over a book, some words someone wrote that he didn't like. While I think every nation should have the right to have the bomb since so many nations already have it that weren't supposed to, I also think that Iran+Nukes is a terribad idea that will not end well.

Anyway now there are ceasefire talks. I know that Israel feels threatened by Hamas but prior to this outbreak there was a ceasefire and Israel broke it to kill their military leader. Then when Hamas responded like everyone knew they would Israel said it was still defending itself and proceeded to kill 160 people including children, whole families wiped out. Meanwhile in the west Israel ignore international law and continues to support settlements completely undermining the West Bank who have been trying to solve things diplomatically. So to the Eastern Palestinians Israel is saying as long as Hamas is their we will defend ourselves by blowing you up and all the civilians casualties are just something you will have to deal with. To Western Palestine they're saying we're going to ignore international law and no one is going to stop us from completely encroaching in on you. If you fight back you will be a threat and you will get bombed too. If you try to go the UN you will also be a threat and we will bomb you.
Israel clearly doesn't want or care about peace or the Palestinian people. It knows it can do whatever it wants to them short of wiping them all out at once and the world will just watch it happen.

That's not an endorsement of Hamas but Hamas is like a fly compared to Israel and the more they bomb everyone because of Hamas the more power Hamas will gain in Gaza and the more it will undermine the peace efforts of everyone else. The situation is farked up on a lot of fronts but if Israel was actually committed to peace it would trying to use the massive military resources at it's disposal to try to find a better way of fighting Hamas, one that doesn't end up just encouraging more people to enlist or keep despair in the region so total that they will jsut get conscripted eventually.

[cbkilla]

Anyway now there are ceasefire talks. I know that Israel feels threatened by Hamas but prior to this outbreak there was a ceasefire and Israel broke it to kill their military leader.

ummm hamas broke the cease fire waaaaaaay before we killed their military leader. That was the only reason we started the operation.

[XemnasXD]

how so.

[cbkilla]

by weekly sending rockets at the south its just non of this hits any news places besides israeli ones cause no one care until we strike back.

[_Dutchy_]

how so.

10-11-12 november they fired around 100 ish rockets + mortars towards isreal 3 days before the killing of the miltary leader. You just don't hear about it on the news

[XemnasXD]

how so.

10-11-12 november they fired around 100 ish rockets + mortars towards isreal 3 days before the killing of the miltary leader. You just don't hear about it on the news

that doesn't seem odd to either of you. That NO news agency in the world reported Hamas breaking the cease fire...

[cbkilla]

And all of my friends and family down south are just lying to me about their towns and cities get hit by rockets? Ill try to find a article after work.

[XemnasXD]

doesn't hamas take credit and pride in the rockets they fire...

[Gaigemasta]

both sides are at wrong

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[_Dutchy_]

how so.

10-11-12 november they fired around 100 ish rockets + mortars towards isreal 3 days before the killing of the miltary leader. You just don't hear about it on the news

how so.

10-11-12 november they fired around 100 ish rockets + mortars towards isreal 3 days before the killing of the miltary leader. You just don't hear about it on the news

that doesn't seem odd to either of you. That NO news agency in the world reported Hamas breaking the cease fire...

There are media that report it just not mainstream media. If you go to bbc or the CNN website's you'll see it writen somewhere that hamas has fired rockets or mortars but on the telivision you won't hear about it. Why because its not important enough untill isreal strikes back then it makes the news lol.

[XemnasXD]

BBCNews is my homepage and it was pretty mum about Hamas/Israel until they bombed the military leader. I didn't see anything on AlJazeera either which is normally a more reliable and factual source than CNN or BBC.

[Aristocrat]

here's a developement map for those interested

[_Dutchy_]

BBCNews is my homepage and it was pretty mum about Hamas/Israel until they bombed the military leader. I didn't see anything on AlJazeera either which is normally a more reliable and factual source than CNN or BBC.

I have to say couldn't find any mention on BBC
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/10/world ... torysearch
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/11/is ... =allsearch

Pretty much the days leading up to the killing of the hamas military leader.