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[Nader]

now that i hit 30 and got my first chinese nukes, im feeling its time to complete my build, but im trying to decide if i want full nuker or nuker with a little weap, i dont pvp often and i find bicheon is used for the pvp since for pve you got nukes, but i cant decide, so i ask you, on which i should go, OR what you think is best and why

mods please dont move this thread, thanks if you dont, boooo if you dooo

[Niton]

how much months do you take to lvl to 30? me and my friend pwlvl my friend from 1 ~ 30 just to reach the nuke, in 3 days.

[Nader]

how much months do you take to lvl to 30? me and my friend pwlvl my friend from 1 ~ 30 just to reach the nuke, in 3 days.

took me 2 days to get to 25, then over a month to get to 30, thats because of not playing do to family, hospitalization

[salmissra]

being pure nuker may sound tempting but u definitely will need some weapons skills. at the minimum, since ur bicheon, learn kd and stab, and of course one of those flashy chains

[deep.in]

full weapon with nukes for sure. If, i mean if you hit 80, you will have nothing more to do, but pvp and job, so weapon skills will help you alot. And btw, nuking only is boring as hell

[SpInKsTaR]

My friend got to level 58 in 10 days -_-
No bot, just a hell of a lot of plevel

He even stayed up for 56 hours @_@

No...life?

[William-CL]

As an Expeirenced Nuker I can Tell you that wep skills for Nuker Blow. They require Phs Attack to do damage, your Phys is very low. People will say that the imbue Takes care of that, but It doesn't because Imbue Only has 100% mag. A nuke with 250% mag is way better than a Phys attack with 250% for a nuker. If you Have a wep, you will be weak and missing out on Good Nuker Skills. I suggest lvling only Light/Ice/Fire noow Cause they benefit a nuker alot more than weps. At 66 With Nuker I can still pvp and pve good with only my Nukes.GO FULL INT s/s or spear with No weap skills

[Casey613]

Stun/KB, nuke.
or
KD-stab, nuke.

You will need weapon skills.

[William-CL]

Stun/KB, nuke.
or
KD-stab, nuke.

You will need weapon skills.

You lose to many advantage skills for a 1 advatage skill that Will do crap damage for an INT build. I had my Bicheon up to lvl 60 and it plainly sucked for damage. My lvl 52 Pure str Guildy did more Damage with Bicheon skills than me. So i swapped to spear and Delvld all wep skills. 3 Force trees FTW

[Bounzzer]

OMG what's wrong whit you guys.....
takes some bicheon too..

[Alterran]

nader on xian i got a lvl 80 pure int spear nuker now listen get bich or heuk ur gona need them trust me

[William-CL]

OMG you guys are not paying attention. Why would Mag based char use Phys attacks? They are way to weak to use. You could probably kill someone 10 lvls lower with wep skills at lvl 80. That's why it is called a Nuker and not a blader/glaiver. My guildmate at lvl 76 Pure INT Nuker with a 72+7spear is now lowering his Heuksal because he does 3/5 of the damage Our lvl 73 with 72+6 Pure str Glaive does. Why do you suggest on trying to make someone lvl up wep skills just for them to find out they suk at lvl cap. If you want Try it Nader you can, but I Implore you to Consider Ice/Light/Fire, cause they have more benefits than weps and are way stronger.

[Doctor_MOS]

OMG you guys are not paying attention. Why would Mag based char use Phys attacks? They are way to weak to use. You could probably kill someone 10 lvls lower with wep skills at lvl 80. That's why it is called a Nuker and not a blader/glaiver. My guildmate at lvl 76 Pure INT Nuker with a 72+7spear is now lowering his Heuksal because he does 3/5 of the damage Our lvl 73 with 72+6 Pure str Glaive does. Why do you suggest on trying to make someone lvl up wep skills just for them to find out they suk at lvl cap. If you want Try it Nader you can, but I Implore you to Consider Ice/Light/Fire, cause they have more benefits than weps and are way stronger.

You are making a few mistakes man...
A pure int which use for example knock down, will deal more damage with that skill then a pure str blader would do -__-'' I don't know what's wrong with you but this is a fact.
People are using KD, KB/STUN to SURVIVE in pvp. How are you gonna nuke if you are death? nukes don't cancel attacks and an't save your a$$ when you need it.

[TOloseGT]

u need weapon skills for pvp. unless u'r pvping someone lower level and/or with inferior equip, ur nukes won't do enough dot to kill the other person and u'll be a sicking duck w/o the weapon stun/kb/kd. the endgame's all about pvp, so it'll be good to have a weapon skill tree to back ur nukes up. also, who wouldn't want more block % or 1k+ hp?

[William-CL]

OMG you guys are not paying attention. Why would Mag based char use Phys attacks? They are way to weak to use. You could probably kill someone 10 lvls lower with wep skills at lvl 80. That's why it is called a Nuker and not a blader/glaiver. My guildmate at lvl 76 Pure INT Nuker with a 72+7spear is now lowering his Heuksal because he does 3/5 of the damage Our lvl 73 with 72+6 Pure str Glaive does. Why do you suggest on trying to make someone lvl up wep skills just for them to find out they suk at lvl cap. If you want Try it Nader you can, but I Implore you to Consider Ice/Light/Fire, cause they have more benefits than weps and are way stronger.

You are making a few mistakes man...
A pure int which use for example knock down, will deal more damage with that skill then a pure str blader would do -__-'' I don't know what's wrong with you but this is a fact.
People are using KD, KB/STUN to SURVIVE in pvp. How are you gonna nuke if you are death? nukes don't cancel attacks and an't save your a$$ when you need it.

How would a str Skill do more damage with an INT? I thought this at first to until i seen my 2 guildys pvping. If you thin k Imbue makes it uber strong, your wrong. It only has 100% mag. Im not sure if you undertand the diff between INT(mag) and str(phys) cause if you did you wouldn't be telling an INT to use str skills. That's like telling a pure str Roque to use wizard skills. it's not gonna workout. In PVP if they have Phys and Mag defense buffs, then they will receive even less damage From the Phys skills and mag including Buffs and nukes. Even the snowshield will help them to survive, or have you forgot about it? Try to pay attention to what your telling people so you don't give false INFO. I Again implore you to go with ICE for phys passive,buff,and shield,I don't suggest ice nukes. Light for grass walk, Force piecre, concentration, passive,and nukes, and fire for Buff, Imbue(strongest, but light is good to), 3 different types of nukes all very strong. All weps skills have is stun/Kb/ or KDstab, then by the time they get up they will have potted cause their pots were at 99% and you have to start damage all over again. With nukes, it takes longer for damage to recover. If you want Xtra defense then use Sword/Shield with a Pure INT cause the do close to the same as Hybrid spear.

[TOloseGT]

How would a str Skill do more damage with an INT? I thought this at first to until i seen my 2 guildys pvping. If you thin k Imbue makes it uber strong, your wrong. It only has 100% mag. Im not sure if you undertand the diff between INT(mag) and str(phys) cause if you did you wouldn't be telling an INT to use str skills. That's like telling a pure str Roque to use wizard skills.

seeing how rogue's don't even have a mag attack on their weapons, i fail to see how that applies here.

int's do hit harder using weapon skills than str's do.

[William-CL]

How would a str Skill do more damage with an INT? I thought this at first to until i seen my 2 guildys pvping. If you thin k Imbue makes it uber strong, your wrong. It only has 100% mag. Im not sure if you undertand the diff between INT(mag) and str(phys) cause if you did you wouldn't be telling an INT to use str skills. That's like telling a pure str Roque to use wizard skills.

seeing how rogue's don't even have a mag attack on their weapons, i fail to see how that applies here.

int's do hit harder using weapon skills than str's do.

And how is that possible? please explain? How does a Mag based char hit harder than a Phys based char with phys skills?

[Doctor_MOS]

How would a str Skill do more damage with an INT? I thought this at first to until i seen my 2 guildys pvping. If you thin k Imbue makes it uber strong, your wrong. It only has 100% mag. Im not sure if you undertand the diff between INT(mag) and str(phys) cause if you did you wouldn't be telling an INT to use str skills. That's like telling a pure str Roque to use wizard skills.

seeing how rogue's don't even have a mag attack on their weapons, i fail to see how that applies here.

int's do hit harder using weapon skills than str's do.

And how is that possible? please explain? How does a Mag based char hit harder than a Phys based char with phys skills?

becease of the imbue OMG ROFL

[Alterran]

and you forget nukes are


SLOW

[TOloseGT]

And how is that possible? please explain? How does a Mag based char hit harder than a Phys based char with phys skills?

i dunno the science behind sro, but it's prolly got something to do with the % multiplier, phys/mag balance, and int's naturally high attack power.

u can test it out urself. find a 66 pure str and invest a couple of sp into some weap skills. test ur dmg with his.

[Nader]

how about this?, 80/80/80/60 so light cold fire bich, and once 90 comes, i just go 90/90/60/60
lgiht cold fire bich, now wouldnt that work and be ok?

[Doctor_MOS]

i'll give you another example
with your theory that a pure str would hit harder then a pure int user both using the samy phy attack, my 70:70 bow build would deal LESS damage then a pure str bow would. Now that would be an epic failure isn't it?

man, im doing around 33% more damage then a pure str archer would with strongbow for example
learn bout the game

[Doctor_MOS]

how about this?, 80/80/80/60 so light cold fire bich, and once 90 comes, i just go 90/90/60/60
lgiht cold fire bich, now wouldnt that work and be ok?

You won't really bennefit of just having bicheon lv 60, KD would not have 50% and you won't have the good chains for example.

[Nader]

how about this?, 80/80/80/60 so light cold fire bich, and once 90 comes, i just go 90/90/60/60
lgiht cold fire bich, now wouldnt that work and be ok?

You won't really bennefit of just having bicheon lv 60, KD would not have 50% and you won't have the good chains for example.

at 60 i get all chains but last one, and id get the second book from kd skill, why wouldnt that be good?, i mean in my original plan i was only ganna have 30 bicheon, hehe

[Nader]

argue some more

[cin]

argue some more

topic re-opened and up for discussion.

no flames this time, no matter how wrong somebody is.

[Nodame]

Sylhana is a full force nuker i think.. no weapon masteries.. think she mentioned it wasn't that strong soloing/pvp but helpful in parties...

but weapon masteries are very useful for their effects... (stun, knockback, knockdown)

[Sylhana]

Sylhana is a full force nuker i think.. no weapon masteries.. think she mentioned it wasn't that strong soloing/pvp but helpful in parties...

but weapon masteries are very useful for their effects... (stun, knockback, knockdown)

+1, weapon skills work much better for pvp. Force is useful for teamplay, ressing, vitals so others could hit harder. I've changed my build like 3 times now, and am happy with my current one . Not a full force nuker anymore, though I think that is a viable build, it just didnt fit in with my gameplay style.

[TOloseGT]

at 60 i get all chains but last one, and id get the second book from kd skill, why wouldnt that be good?, i mean in my original plan i was only ganna have 30 bicheon, hehe

it's worth it to max bicheon. the 6 hit chain gives many great statuses, from 60 to 90, u get 3% more block, u will also get the 4th stab book that'll come with 90 cap.

i like 90 light, 90 bich, 60 ice, 60 fire.

[†erminal]

Blackdragon, only sylhana can pull off colored font.
Trust me, Mag damage is just base higher than phy, so when a int uses their phy attack *low* and adds their imbue * Very very high*, it hits harder than a str with high str and low imbue damage.
You'll be very bored if you only nuke, much more useful to be using kds/stabs/stuns/mars/PASSIVES/and of course ironwall and bloody snake storm.
Pure nuke= No fun as the only thing you can do is the little kamehameha motion, shoot shit, its good for guildwars and stuff, but you'll get owned without a weapon tree to help you survive.
My crits on kd/stab are also very very effective killing in addition to allowing me to pot.